To the folks just tuning in, mechs become VW devices when they got a Kick by evolv in 'em
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Why Mechanicals? Is sub ohm THAT big a deal? Why are these so big lately
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To the folks just tuning in, mechs become VW devices when they got a Kick by evolv in 'em
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I wouldn't describe them as big but more regular to smaller than the average mod ;-)
RHP: Yes on The Kick, but 10 watts is a little limiting. I'm looking forward to Kick 2.0 tho. I think I heard 15 watts will be it's top end.
I've been using the Provari on carto tanks and 306 attys for at least 2 yrs and it just wasn't cutting it as far as performance for me. The flavor on carto tanks were muting the flavor, the TH, and vapor production was dismal at best. The nic delivery suffers also. Performance of a rba in less than 1 ohm dual coil setups are performing well for me. I just make sure the kanthol leads are cut right at the posts and coils do not touch and always meter the build. Plus the machine work on some of these mechanicals coming from Korea and Philippines are just beautiful. The brushed brass combined with polished caps, adjustable brass posts, adjustable air draw when combined with a flush sitting rba tank like the Kayfun light, adjustable bottom button throw are some of the features I like. Some center posts have silver plating for the lowest voltage drop to give the least resistance with the most efficient performance and some like Super T with the ELA are using rhodium (does not tarnish) combined with gold plating over brass posts. Mech users are using safe chemistry high drain batteries like the AW IMR 18650 1600mah, and EFest 18650 2000mah imr. You can also add a fuse to the build to safe guard against a short.
I aquired the Origin brass mod by Footoon last week, my first higher end mechanical. Here it is on a Pheonix clone I heat treated to match the brass with a auto muffler style brass tip. It has a 4/5 dual micro coil @ .6 ohms:
I aquired the Origin brass mod by Footoon last week, my first higher end mechanical. Here it is on a Pheonix clone I heat treated to match the brass with a auto muffler style brass tip. It has a 4/5 dual micro coil @ .6 ohms:
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What is the average resistence of the delivery devices you use usually, if I may ask? I'm guessing you vape super high ohms (5+) on regulated batteries or sub-ohms on unregulated batteries.
ETA: batteries is referring to mods, not actual batteries, folks
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well see for me i love vaping at .9 or 1 ohm.. with all my rebuildable's,and my kayfuns.. the flavor is so intense .. the doodlebug atty has a reduced chamber top cap,making it even better with sub ohm coils. but you do have to bring down the nic.. ive been on a kick lately vaping alot of custard based juices in the kayfun.. i think the best vape i have ever had to date is some grants vanilla custard or suicide bunny's mother milk at 6mg nic. loaded in a kayfun 3.1 with a 3/4 wrap of 28 gauge,2mm ekowool..giving me .9 ohms.. on a nemesis.. hits hard,and the flavor is the best i have tasted.. this setup makes me go back and try all my juice over again, because the flavor is really just that good.. ever since i mastered coil building.. i haven't used another coil since
Size is a major factor for me. The electronics in a VV mod seem to add at least an inch to any tube.
Sub-ohm seems to become less popular since the microcoil craze hit. Those should work just as well, if not better, on a VV mod.
You can use a fuse in a mech mod, so safety is potentially just as good as any VV mod.
If one is comfortable with the safety aspect of making ones own coils, one can adjust wattage that way and save a good bit of mod length otherwise "wasted" (debatable) on electronics used in VV mods.
There's also an environmental aspect to it. Every time you chuck a spinner/twist, you add more electronic junk to the dump. Same if i.e. your Vamo stops working.
Sub-ohm seems to become less popular since the microcoil craze hit. Those should work just as well, if not better, on a VV mod.
You can use a fuse in a mech mod, so safety is potentially just as good as any VV mod.
If one is comfortable with the safety aspect of making ones own coils, one can adjust wattage that way and save a good bit of mod length otherwise "wasted" (debatable) on electronics used in VV mods.
There's also an environmental aspect to it. Every time you chuck a spinner/twist, you add more electronic junk to the dump. Same if i.e. your Vamo stops working.
yes micro coil is cool... its a throwback to some degree ( a year or two) when "hybrid" 510/306 atomizers came out; HH357 and a few imitations. Micro coil is lots of wire wraps touching (which was a no no with first rba coils - where 3 or 4 wraps was sufficient for the resistance desired).
Point taken by @WattWick: micro's are bringing flavor back to the equation and with more wraps comes more resistance and thus not so much need for unregulated devices.
In the Vmod b/f thread (at least a yr ago) someone said that in "hybrid" attys it was the extended platform of coil that the juice lay on to get more flavor...
Which is my reason for using mechanicals... flavor.
I learned a whole lot about resistance to power balance from my Provari... I was able to optimize the amount of vapor to any atomizer of various resistance... but with conventional atomizers, and cartos the plateau arrived... not enough flavor.
So i jumped on the HH357 but when i found sub ohms RBA's it was only natural that following the trail of optimal flavor, you know i'm going to be there.
Those vets who didn't believe simply hadn't tried it.
At this point for me, even with micro coils above 1 Ohms (yes the flavor IS there too), I still prefer the quick response of sub 1.0 Ohms vaping, and my micro coiled RBA/RDA's are around .6 to .8 Ohms.
@Socalvapster pointed out some of the basic safety requirements for sub ohms vaping...
I'm sure I'd find some improved vaping with VV/VW now but hell, I don't have the time or need with all the great mechanical innovations coming out today.
What can use improving imo is the Genesis atomizer design but thats another thread.
Point taken by @WattWick: micro's are bringing flavor back to the equation and with more wraps comes more resistance and thus not so much need for unregulated devices.
In the Vmod b/f thread (at least a yr ago) someone said that in "hybrid" attys it was the extended platform of coil that the juice lay on to get more flavor...
Which is my reason for using mechanicals... flavor.
I learned a whole lot about resistance to power balance from my Provari... I was able to optimize the amount of vapor to any atomizer of various resistance... but with conventional atomizers, and cartos the plateau arrived... not enough flavor.
So i jumped on the HH357 but when i found sub ohms RBA's it was only natural that following the trail of optimal flavor, you know i'm going to be there.
Those vets who didn't believe simply hadn't tried it.
At this point for me, even with micro coils above 1 Ohms (yes the flavor IS there too), I still prefer the quick response of sub 1.0 Ohms vaping, and my micro coiled RBA/RDA's are around .6 to .8 Ohms.
@Socalvapster pointed out some of the basic safety requirements for sub ohms vaping...
I'm sure I'd find some improved vaping with VV/VW now but hell, I don't have the time or need with all the great mechanical innovations coming out today.
What can use improving imo is the Genesis atomizer design but thats another thread.
can't believe this racked up 5 pages of posts so quickly... I'm going to have to read up on micro-coils. The coils.... touching? That sounds AWESOME, that's my only problem is finicky little coils and separating the little buggers.
its the age of mechanicals. this is where vaping is at. i really enjoy all these modders that make high quality stuff. more mechanicals = more sub-ohm enthusiasts. hopefully it'll push for more battery tech that are made specifically for sub-ohms.
I made a not so micro coils in my Ithaka 30guage 11 wraps dual coil all crammed in there reading 1.6 ohms and works great!
It is awesome...no hot legs either. Check out the micro-coil thread in the RBA forum...great buncha folks there with lots of advice.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...271-micro-coils-increase-vapor-flavor-th.html
you know, I was trying to figure out if any clearos just have micros, but after looking at some pics.... microcoils are exactly whats in iclear 30's... sure wish I could recoil the damn things myself, because they are stellar little tanks, but I always wondered how the coils didn't stop working from all the touching, but it's just like that, cherry red in the middle and the legs stay nice and cool!
Magic.
Magic.
You just proved pbusardo's point. Have you ever been puffing on a analogue thinking "I need to get way more smoke coming out....yeah I need to have people think I installed a fog machine in my throat everytime I exhail" I ask as I am curious not snarky.
I went through v.v tried V.w....went for every mod out there....every cart...a few rebuildables.....gave up ans it all off. But now? 12mg nic, one fully functioning 18650 ego t upgrade...one vivi nova....one Stardust (people remember those right?) Both with a 1.8ohm coils for a vivid nova.....I look at them and think "man cannot wait to get the cheap as
pv I want"....then I sit back and wait to see the proverbial nuclear explosion.......the community then black listing and talking behind the evil ones back as the media picks this up then the global ban happens.......and then and ONLY then will it be all the governments fault.Sure. E-cig saves YOUR life.....but a thermal run away battery with the force to send high speed ahrattenal in a 2.5 raidius (by my math) will save. Who's life? Being added to the terrorist watch list helps who again?
I am not tearing anyone new one just adding my long over due thoughts of hearing everytime there is. Exploding battery issue the user is at fault automatically.....then it is all the governments fault...why don't we all step up and accept the self blame?
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Wait; you mean an IMR battery won't cause a nuclear explosion and send "ahrattenal??" in a 2.5 (miles?) radius which in turn will put us on terrorist watch lists causing a (global?) ban when the media picks it up while we all blame the government? Seemed like well informed and thought out logic to me.
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Wait you mean someone actually has a difference of opinion then you forcing a immature reaponse. And then people wonder why.......
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I vape sub-ohms on a rare basis. Aside from the ridiculous amount of vapor, I see no advantage to sub-ohm vaping. Generally I build my atomizers at around 1.6-2.2 ohms, which is my sweet spot.
In respect to advantages, here are a few:
- Clones can be purchased at an inexpensive price ($12)
- Lets not kid ourselves, half of us used cosmetics as a deciding factor, in my opinion clones look nice since they don't have screens and screws all around the body
- Sub-Ohm vaping if you are into that
- Convenient and simple. No more "5 clicks to turn on..off...change modes..." with a mech you have 2 main components; a locking feature and a firing feature.
I own 3 VV/VW and about 7 mechs. I prefer my mechs over my VV devises, that said my Vamo is now only used to measure the ohms on my atomizers.
In respect to advantages, here are a few:
- Clones can be purchased at an inexpensive price ($12)
- Lets not kid ourselves, half of us used cosmetics as a deciding factor, in my opinion clones look nice since they don't have screens and screws all around the body
- Sub-Ohm vaping if you are into that
- Convenient and simple. No more "5 clicks to turn on..off...change modes..." with a mech you have 2 main components; a locking feature and a firing feature.
I own 3 VV/VW and about 7 mechs. I prefer my mechs over my VV devises, that said my Vamo is now only used to measure the ohms on my atomizers.
I have no idea if we have a difference of opinion. I didn't state an opinion; and can't even guess what is opinion in your post. I found your post refreshingly baffling and nonsensical; and was hoping it was a joke I wasn't getting.
Immature response on my part? Yeah, I agree, as I get older in some ways I get more immature. And then people wonder why dot dot dot.
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