Sub Ohm Vaping? Pros/Cons/Why?

[retired1]

Last warning... Knock it off.

 

[EddardinWinter]

Well at least you knew what I was talking about. That ought to put out the fire, but it won't. Apologies are due, but won't be given.

As for this clarification, "tons of watts" is subjective, and of course it would make no sense to limit the term "subohm" to .3 and below. Which is why, as my first post in the thread said ... high wattage is the issue.

What the heck?

I am sorry you are offended by me asking you questions. Are you satisfied now? I just wanted you to clarify this common practice I have never heard of.

Tapped out

 

[dr g]

What the heck?

I am sorry you are offended by me asking you questions. Are you satisfied now? I just wanted you to clarify this common practice I have never heard off.

That wasn't addressed to you. You are welcome to comment on my reply. It is more common than you might think, one of those things like when you get a certain car, you notice just how many of them are on the street.

A few months back it wasn't that common but right now it has become a lot more common to have this ability in a mod, with the increase in availability of DNA20 mods and the Kick 2.

 

[The Ocelot]

 

[AttyPops]

What does this have to do with the pros and cons list?

I think we should build on Arnie's list to answer the OP.

I kind of wish the OP would comment on if he has enough information. lol. Bet he got more than he bargained for!

So a mech mod will allow you to vape with super low res coils.

Can someone tell me the pros and cons and why it seems so popular now?

Based on my limited understanding, it can be dangerous (overstressing the battery) and if you make your own coils you have to watch you don't short out anything.

It seems like "chasing the dragon", this quest for the most intense vape.

By vaping at such low ohms, doesn't it drain your battery faster? Resulting in the need to charge more often, and therefore in the long run, a decreased battery lifetime?

Also what are INR batteries? Are they similar to IMR batts?

Thanks.

 

[mkbilbo]

I kind of wish the OP would comment on if he has enough information. lol. Bet he got more than he bargained for!

I have this mental image of Arnie sitting at the computer with an ashen, slack expression thinking... WHAT HAVE I DONE?????



(All I know 'bout "sub ohm" is when somebody brings up the topic... duck!)

 

[Gahh]

All this talk about sub ohm, super ohm, the biggest vape cloud.

Am very happy with my bottom wicking EVOD's and pro tanks with rebuilt coils using 32 gauge kanthal at 1.9 ohm.

What's gonna be next. 220 volt / 200amp mod running a coat hanger coil in a 175 ml Pyrex jar.

Just remember to enjoy your vape , and,,

VAPE ON

 

[Ryedan]

"Less control over your vape" would be more accurate.

The mech stuff follows battery voltage, and that varies constantly from Top-off charge to recharge-point as the battery drains. The main reason all e-cigs before mechs were regulated by some means is to give consistency. Even the cig-a-likes.

A lot of the same effect as sub-ohm can be achieved using a regulated mod and micro-coils, for example, with consistency (My Opinion). Also, a mod could be build to deliver a consistent regulated voltage even in the high amp ranges. It just isn't necessary to do so and is wasteful so they don't build them much. Although I have seen modders building parallel battery circuit stuff, so who knows. Would be bulky.

This is interesting AttyPops. I completely see your logic in thinking of mechanicals as having less control due to the power drop with use. The other side of the coin is that I do not have the control over my regulated devices to make the vape I can with a mech.

So, I think what I have is less control of the consistency of my vape but also the ability to raise the level of the vape to something I prefer through that range of inconsistency. Does that make any sense?

 

[AttyPops]

It does. So I guess Arnie has to define the term again (I think he had another post, but I'm signing off for the night so I'm not looking for it now).

 

[dr g]

So, I think what I have is less control of the consistency of my vape but also the ability to raise the level of the vape to something I prefer through that range of inconsistency. Does that make any sense?

a.k.a. extended wattage range, like some guy said earlier

 

[Jaguar07]

It is no more dangerous than any other rebuildable at higher ohms. Most hi drain IMR safe chemistry batteries can handle the burst firing of a sub ohm coil. Imho I feel vaping on a ego battery and cheap clearo is more dangerous than on a rebuildable with a quality battery.

INR is a safe chemistry battery Nickel instead of IMR that are manganese chemistry.

The safety factor between a properly designed electronically controlled MOD vs. a Mechanical MOD is SIGNIFICANTLY different.

 

[JerseyB.]

about 0 resistance vaping...

haha it's called zero pulse and 3rd degree burns

 

[Zak Rabbit]

about 0 resistance vaping...

haha it's called zero pulse and 3rd degree burns

Oh no, our batteries are tested for dead shorts and are perfectly safe for that, it says so right here earlier in this thread. We're being ejumukated...

Sent via the guys that made Star Trek low tech.

 

[tearose50]

That's what I thought. I'm trying to follow the logic. So if someone were vaping sub-ohm, it would be a correct assumption they are using a mechanical?]

It would be safe to assume that most are. I personally met one who works at a store in my area who uses a DNA 20 mod as well as Mechs.

At another store, the owner and his customer weren't familiar with DNA20 at all.......and the customer didn't know what a regular atty was. (510 is threading, not an atty, to many new vapers). The customer did know several names of RBA's and was vaping somewhere between .5 and .8 ohms that day.

 

[The Ocelot]

That's what I thought. I'm trying to follow the logic. So if someone were vaping sub-ohm, it would be a correct assumption they are using a mechanical?

It would be safe to assume that most are. I personally met one who works at a store in my area who uses a DNA 20 mod as well as Mechs.

At another store, the owner and his customer weren't familiar with DNA20 at all.......and the customer didn't know what a regular atty was. (510 is threading, not an atty, to many new vapers). The customer did know several names of RBA's and was vaping somewhere between .5 and .8 ohms that day.

I should have said "good chance" or something else less definitive. I was just trying to follow a particular track through the train wreck. The point I was trying make had to do with the use of plain regulated vs. unregulated batteries, not any of those fancy li'l doohickies.

 

[tearose50]

Oh, I know, Ocelot. Hoping for no offense as well. I understood your point perfectly and it sure makes sense to me.

I'm following this thread because I wanted to know more about those lNR batteries.......but I'm still kind of

 

[The Ocelot]

Oh, I know, Ocelot. Hoping for no offense as well. I understood your point perfectly and it sure makes sense to me.

I'm following this thread because I wanted to know more about those lNR batteries.......but I'm still kind of

No offense, ever. And if you're reading this epic to glean some actually information, ummm, I hate to break it to you, but that dog don't hunt.

 

[Jaguar07]

I created a blog post about it. Hopefully some will find it useful.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/jaguar07/4916-sub-ohm-safety-suggestions-microcoil-instead.html

 

[tj99959]

This train wreck really fell off the track IMO. All the OP wanted were the pros & cons of sub ohm, so I'll give my take on it.

Lets look at how/why sub ohm vaping even started. Many of the new wave of RBA's (geneses style atties) were poor performers at conventional resistances. Thus the quest for how to get them to work better. So sub ohm was driven by atomizer design in the beginning, but then took on a life of it's own, and the quest became how to make sub ohm work better. A complete reversal of the intent.

Is sub ohm vaping necessary .... absolutely not! However there are plenty of folks that enjoy sub ohm vaping. There are just as many types of RBA's that work well at a higher resistance as there are that work well at a lower resistance.
By any stretch of the imagination sub ohm is "extreme vaping" with any device currently available. This IMO makes it the playground of the ADVANCED vapor only. Anyone that would set up a noob with a sub ohm coil is simply looking to become homeless because of the lawsuits. How would you ever know if that noob stuck an old gray 2C battery under that coil when they got home before the insurance adjuster came knocking on your door!

So the pros: some find it a great way to vape.
And the cons: you damn well better know what you are doing.
And that's really all it boils down to.

BTW, I'm currently making it very difficult to see my computer screen with a 2.6 ohm coil on my Provari.
So I guess standard resistance coils on a regulated PV are still relevant.

 

[SissySpike]

This train wreck really fell off the track IMO. All the OP wanted were the pros & cons of sub ohm, so I'll give my take on it.

Lets look at how/why sub ohm vaping even started. Many of the new wave of RBA's (geneses style atties) were poor performers at conventional resistances. Thus the quest for how to get them to work better. So sub ohm was driven by atomizer design in the beginning, but then took on a life of it's own, and the quest became how to make sub ohm work better. A complete reversal of the intent.

Is sub ohm vaping necessary .... absolutely not! However there are plenty of folks that enjoy sub ohm vaping. There are just as many types of RBA's that work well at a higher resistance as there are that work well at a lower resistance.
By any stretch of the imagination sub ohm is "extreme vaping" with any device currently available. This IMO makes it the playground of the ADVANCED vapor only. Anyone that would set up a noob with a sub ohm coil is simply looking to become homeless because of the lawsuits. How would you ever know if that noob stuck an old gray 2C battery under that coil when they got home before the insurance adjuster came knocking on your door!

So the pros: some find it a great way to vape.
And the cons: you damn well better know what you are doing.
And that's really all it boils down to.

BTW, I'm currently making it very difficult to see my computer screen with a 2.6 ohm coil on my Provari.
So I guess standard resistance coils on a regulated PV are still relevant.

Mark this day on your calendar folks tj99959 kinda, sorta, in a round about way said sub ohm vaping can be enjoyed;-) I fear the world shall now end soon!