Why no Tube 21700 Regulated Mods?

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I know well that they approached another manufacturer for wire @ShowMeTwice, that's how things work in business.

The manner in which you phrased your post might have led some to thinking Dicodes makes the wire.

I wanted to make it crystal clear that they do not.
 

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Not at all compared with the dna C range chipsets, as someone on the forum did TC mode tests a while back that proved that dna C was awful.

Who??? And what is their level of expertise??? Do you even know???
Are they an Evolv engineer??? I sincerely doubt it!!!

And where exactly did you "read" this??? What thread??? Post the link.

I own a couple DNA75C mods and they DO NOT perform "awful" in TC!!! They perform as nicely as any of my other dna chipsets.

So, you do not actually have any firsthand experience with any of the DNA C chipsets. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

Furthermore, if what you "claim" was true everyone who actually owns a DNA C mod running TC would be complaining. The Evolv Forum would be lit up with complaints. IT IS NOT!!!

So . . . I call BS on your "claim".
 
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@AussieGeek "tested" chipsets...

I read his posts in multiple threads when they were posted - with great amusement.

When he made the claim that a GeekVape Aegis Solo performed better than a DNA75 - I laughed. Not just an ordinary laugh mind you - - - full on belly laughs. Right then and there I knew full well he did not know what he was talking about.

He also claimed the Nuvoton chipset performed as well as a DNA chipset!!! :lol: :lol:

So again, I call BS on your claims regarding DNA C's.

If you can show me "actual proof" - - - as in links proving your claims - - - that would be helpful.
I'll wait.


ETA: For the record I own a few GeekVape Aegis Solo's - they are not better than a DNA75 running TC.
No way, now how!!! Fact.

ETA2: "No way, now how!!!" has been brought to my attention, amusingly so. :lol:
 
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It's "no way, no how"...

:rolleyes: :lol: :lol:

Gee thanks Mordi!!! Kind of imbecilic for you to post that, but whatever. LOLz

It would be quite obvious to even a third grade student that is what was meant.

I will leave my post as is . . . but thanks for pointing it out. LOLz


Meanwhile . . . I'm still waiting on some "real" proof. Just a guess, none will be forthcoming from you.

I also find it funny that you choose not to answer questions I've asked you previously. That speaks immense volumes. :greengrin:
 
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Dont get me wrong id love a dicodes but i cant miss 300€ for 1 mod heh are you paying that much for just the chip?
Or is the mod high end all around so threading,tube etc all great quality?
I actually bought two of the Ephro tube mods for my back stash.
 

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IMO, if you are looking to vape TC then Dicodes chipsets are the best, followed by Evolv DNA chipsets.
That's debatable only because some prefer DNA chipsets over Dicodes chipsets.

I own several DNA mods. They offer an excellent TC vape. Period!!!

Evolv (DNA) created temperature control. They know TC. Nuff said!!!

I also own a Fakirs Mods Illusia-D with a Dicodes BF60 chipset. Dicodes (a German company) knows how to do TC.

Yihi would not even be on my radar for TC vaping. I own a custom made mod that uses a Yihi chip. The quality in TC completely sucks compared to my Dicodes and DNA mods!!!

Hell, FWIW, an old cheap Eleaf Pico 75w flashed with Arctic Fox performs far better in TC than my Yihi.

I would like to know . . . when one makes claims about Yihi chips . . . do they own a Yihi device and have firsthand experience with a Yihi mod running TC???
I own several yihi mods and quite enjoy all of them.
 

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    Yea but it also looks the best ;) box mods overrated haha i got 7 regulated mods guess what all boxes =/ time for a change bring out them old sschool mechs!
    Yes and mostly NO.

    First you have to understand a bit about MARKETING.

    OEM's are in a "bigger is better" war/race to have more POWER when their devices (and most available batteries) simply can't actually provide it.

    I have DOZENS of both box and tube mods and none of them 'over heat'. Why? I simply don't drive/push them to the SILLY (and often inaccurate) limits that the OEM marketing/packaging claim that they are able to do!

    Keep in mind that even the BEST single 18650 mod is good for ~<=30W TOPS!
    (no matter what the silly max power rating in the manual claims!)

    Also keep in mind that even the BEST voltage regulator MIGHT be fairly ok/efficient with STEPPING DOWN (Buck) a voltage however stepping UP (Boost) will on the other hand be (IF actually available) generally terribly NOT efficient!

    So instead of constantly swapping/charging batteries (wearing out the very fragile battery 'doors' and USB ports) and overheating your MOD's the SIMPLE solution is to use lower mass builds that are higher efficient in converting mAH to vapor. :)



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    @AussieGeek "tested" chipsets...
    Well yes - at least HE THOUGHT he was testing TC mode of different devices. :)

    The overwhelming problem with his "testing" was that he limited his experiments to ONLY using ONE fairly to completely inappropriate and useless TC wire type (SS317/SS318).

    Comically he stopped posting after I shipped him some Dicodes NiFe30 to play with. :)

    While YES there are SOME TC mods that can do a ok job of TC regulating SS wire however many of us that regularly use TC mode prefer to use wire types with much higher TCR values and enjoy awesome TC regulated vaping experiences.

    (BTW: I do own a roll of SS430 that I experimented with +8yrs ago but never use)



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    Mods that are compatible with Arctic Fox can still be found but they are very difficult to find nowadays.

    Eleaf still has the Pico Squeeze 2's for sale direct. Do you own one??? I own three.

    I have several older mods that I've flashed with Arctic Fox. Have you gotten on with AF???
    I own a dozen or more of them and have Pico's in: standard, 21700, mega and squeeze form factors.

    Many of the MOD's available 4-6yrs ago can run Arctic Fox or other alternate firmware. Sadly for new users most of the devices are no longer available.


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    I own a dozen or more of them and have Pico's in: standard, 21700, mega and squeeze form factors.

    Many of the MOD's available 4-6yrs ago can run Arctic Fox or other alternate firmware. Sadly for new users most of the devices are no longer available.


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    Like you I stocked up on Pico 75's, Squeeze 2's and Pico S 21700's. I am also running Arctic Fox on them. I think Eleaf did an excellent job designing the Pico's. My first Pico 75w is still going strong. The body is beat-up but that's to be expected for a mod from 2015/16.

    My wife was always dropping her Pico 75's and they just continued working. She would drop them in the snow, on concrete, gravel and in the mud while gardening. Eleaf could have hired her to do extreme mod testing.
     

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    This is an Ehpro Armor. It uses one 2x700 or one 18650 battery. It is a 'regulated mech'. It has one button, and one LED that emits thru two holes. I've had it and been very pleased with it for close to about 3 or 4 years now. I got it from fasttech, but I guess the manufacturer would be a place to start looking if you want.
     

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    Like you I stocked up on Pico 75's, Squeeze 2's and Pico S 21700's. I am also running Arctic Fox on them. I think Eleaf did an excellent job designing the Pico's. My first Pico 75w is still going strong. The body is beat-up but that's to be expected for a mod from 2015/16.

    My wife was always dropping her Pico 75's and they just continued working. She would drop them in the snow, on concrete, gravel and in the mud while gardening. Eleaf could have hired her to do extreme mod testing.
    I got a bunch of Pico 75's as well. No problems except for the screens dimming. I have a couple where the screen is too dim to read at all and a couple more that are heading that way. I could plug them into Arctic Fox and see what the settings are but that's a little tedious.
     
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    This is an Ehpro Armor. It uses one 2x700 or one 18650 battery. It is a 'regulated mech'. It has one button, and one LED that emits thru two holes. I've had it and been very pleased with it for close to about 3 or 4 years now. I got it from fasttech, but I guess the manufacturer would be a place to start looking if you want.
    I had one of those for a while. Bright red. Nice mod but after around 6 months it auto-fired on me. Couldn't figure out the problem so I had to dump it.
     

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    Well yes - at least HE THOUGHT he was testing TC mode of different devices. :)

    The overwhelming problem with his "testing" was that he limited his experiments to ONLY using ONE fairly to completely inappropriate and useless TC wire type (SS317/SS318).

    Comically he stopped posting after I shipped him some Dicodes NiFe30 to play with. :)

    While YES there are SOME TC mods that can do a ok job of TC regulating SS wire however many of us that regularly use TC mode prefer to use wire types with much higher TCR values and enjoy awesome TC regulated vaping experiences.

    (BTW: I do own a roll of SS430 that I experimented with +8yrs ago but never use)



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    One of the biggest problems as you've outlined is the TC and or TFR of materials, as metal alloys are not necessarily the same and these vary wildly because of their composition.

    Resistitherm is the only wire I know of with a known TC and TFR that you can source easily.

    I did try using Titanum myself at one point for TC vaping, but I just couldn't work with it as any coil I'd try making wanted to unwind on me.
     

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    Like you I stocked up on Pico 75's, Squeeze 2's and Pico S 21700's. I am also running Arctic Fox on them. I think Eleaf did an excellent job designing the Pico's. My first Pico 75w is still going strong. The body is beat-up but that's to be expected for a mod from 2015/16.

    My wife was always dropping her Pico 75's and they just continued working. She would drop them in the snow, on concrete, gravel and in the mud while gardening. Eleaf could have hired her to do extreme mod testing.
    My only issue with the original Pico is the dis-similar metals on the body+battery cap get corroded and often cause device failure at the worse possible moments (like driving in traffic!! LOL!!)

    IMHO: good+inexpensive+reliable+quality vape and many parts of the world can still order many them direct from E-Leaf for a 'song'. :)

    (I've knocked my Pico21700 off my bedside table onto a hardwood floor more times than I can count - it takes a fall and keeps on working (even if it now 'rattles' if I shake it! LOL!))


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    One of the biggest problems as you've outlined is the TC and or TFR of materials, as metal alloys are not necessarily the same and these vary wildly because of their composition.

    Resistitherm is the only wire I know of with a known TC and TFR that you can source easily.

    I did try using Titanum myself at one point for TC vaping, but I just couldn't work with it as any coil I'd try making wanted to unwind on me.

    All/most wire types have known TCR values however some of the 'alloy' metals (like SS types) varied considerably depending on the manufacturer.

    SS430 has one of the highest (of the SS variants) that I know of however the '100 spool I bought in 2014 mostly goes unused as I found better wire to use.

    TI is indeed a bit "springy" however many don't use it because of the oxides that form (that is easily washed away) if it is overheated

    I've used TI in 24-36AWG. Some gauges are easier to work with than others.

    NI has one of the best/highest TCR values however is not only to soft for many to work with but to low of a resistance (difficult to fit/build a coil) and many don't use it because of possible exposure to oxides

    NiFe in a number of different flavors (30/48/52 come to mind) has a decent TCR's and little (if any) is known about any 'issues' with using it

    There are many other wire types that COULD be used for TC vaping but for the overwhelming majority of vapors they may simply try whatever SS coil they currently have in TC mode and when the experience is not to their liking (or not very good as not many mods can't TC regulate SS properly) they switch back to power mode and write the mode off.



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    Like you I stocked up on Pico 75's, Squeeze 2's and Pico S 21700's. I am also running Arctic Fox on them. I think Eleaf did an excellent job designing the Pico's. My first Pico 75w is still going strong. The body is beat-up but that's to be expected for a mod from 2015/16.

    My wife was always dropping her Pico 75's and they just continued working. She would drop them in the snow, on concrete, gravel and in the mud while gardening. Eleaf could have hired her to do extreme mod testing.
    Yea i can no longer find pico but i find a good replacement the eleaf istick power2C is very solid and plentiful takes 2 18650s and its as small as a pico about the size of a deck of cards..
    I just got into mech mods next week i get some money debating on buying a few more while i can like you to stock up incase they are gone for good and then you have to go with something else you dont enjoy as much
     

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