Business owners don't want to deal with it. That's it. Educate them all you want, but they don't want the hassle.
Why Vapers are getting a BAD NAME.
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Nonsense I've vaped in several places where the business owners literally turned a blind eye to it. Utah banned it everywhere without taking 5 seconds to ask if it bothers anyone. Turns out, it generally doesn't. Score one for our pols who claim to be against "big government" coming in and usurping the right of business owners to decide for themselves whether to allow an innocuous activity.
I treat vaping like I would a cigarette. Even though it's not harmful it's simply common courtesy to be respectful around others, especially strangers. In fact, my other half can't stand some of the smell of some flavors I use so I try not to do it near her (sub-ohm builds don't help!). As a doctor, I would be extremely irritated if someone was doing that in my waiting room. Most people aren't going to care for a stranger blowing even air in their face, let alone clouds of vapor.
I think ANTZ are rude and I don't like the looks of them.
But you said chewing on a pen looks like smoking a cigarette. That's as much of looking like a cigarette as my ecigs not looking like cigarettes but emitting something that looks like smoke.
Chewing on a pen in the winter would emit vapor that looks like smoke and look like smoking. Double whammy, we need to ban pens right now. And we may as well ban winter while I'm sure we would have most of the country behind us on that.
I suppose you don't breath in no smoking areas where cold air is present because the vapor looks like smoke.
It seems you want to ignore the simple fact that it's not smoking and it's not smoke. The pretend smoke works to keep die hard smokers from smoking. Something new was invented that can save lives, deal with it.
Or continue playing the ANTZ game until vaping is forced out with smokers. I and many others will go back to cigarettes. I know that's what they want so they can get the MSA money, but what exactly do you want?
I treat vaping like vaping.
Who said anything about blowing clouds of vapor in people's faces? My common courtesy is not to blow air or vapor in people's faces. But when it comes to breathing I'm going to do it whether or not people can see it.
As a doctor would you tell me to avoid taking medicine because others might not like the looks of it? They don't know what I'm taking and if it's a danger to them or not.
Thing is whether it's nicotine or a handful of pills it is my medicine.
And yet, we can still do it in a business and they wouldn't even know. Hence, not really a hassle, even while one might claim this if one is using deceptive tactics.
Vaping looks like smoking in a public place
Like walking looks like running in a public place.
As no one wants people running in a public place, we need to focus in on all those people who are walking and are confusing all those people who can't tell the difference between walking and running.
As a doctor, are you extremely irritated knowing that people are blowing air in your waiting room?
I mean knowing that they could wear mouth filters and all? I'm guessing you provide those at the desk just so you won't be constantly irritated in your clinic.
Treat it as you wish. That's your right and prerogative.
Please allow others to do the same.
I'm sorry but I'm done tiptoeing around the easily offended. They need to grow up, do some research and learn that if something doesn't negative affect them that it's rude to tell others not to do it just because they don't like it. It's time for the easily offended to have some common courtesy.
Welcome to America! Drinking and driving is illegal - bars have parking lots. Immigrants have to know more, to prove themselves worthy of citizenship, than actual citizens know about this country. We imprison more of our own citizens than China and we spend more on military funding than the next ten countries combined - but welfare is too much of a burden on the state. Killing foreigners takes priority over feeding our own. God Bless the USA!
No, I didn't. You know why no one cares if people chew on pens? They don't emit a substance which looks like smoke...
You know why the majority of non-vapers I encounter don't care if I vape? Because they know I'm not emitting a substance that smells like smoke, nor lingers like smoke. Nor have they been brainwashed, yet, to believe that one inhalation of it will give them certain cancer.
No, I didn't. You know why no one cares if people chew on pens? They don't emit a substance which looks like smoke...
I guess you're right. You asked if chewing on a pen looks like smoking.
I'm saying it does. Since I have as much say in this as those who think vaping looks like smoking pens need to be banned. Pens are renormalizing smoking.
I've never been asked not to vape anywhere. I don't push it as much as I could but I don't want onlookers, who know nothing of vaping, to judge all vapist's based on my behavior. I do ask to vape in non-smoking areas and have yet to be told "no". The only thing I've worried about was what a cop would think first seeing an iTaste 134 being brandished. So, when I pulled up to a Quick Trip a few weeks ago I saw a cop at the coffee bar inside, so I grabbed my 134 and went in. I sat it down next to his coffee cup and said "What do you think about that". His response was "What the hell is it?". LOL! I explained, and even pulled a good sized draw and blew it out in the store to show how it smells and how quickly it dissipates. He actually said it looks "badass". That's it. I said thanks, "Just wanted to make sure you wouldn't draw on a guy carrying such a thing". He smiled and said he'll try not to. 
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... "Just wanted to make sure you wouldn't draw on a guy carrying such a thing". He smiled and said he'll try not to.
Be Careful.
He Didn't say Anything about a Taser.
I too have never been asked not to vape anywhere. Which is why I say I'm batting a 1.000 in my 2 years of vaping, indoors, in public.
I have been told not to vape when I asked if it was okay to do so, and then have asked "why not" and most of the time it is response based on ignorance, to which I go into education mode, and to which the person usually shows interest in reconsidering their policy. The times where the usual doesn't occur was when manager said, "because I said so." That didn't bode well for mutual respect, considering I'm the type of vaper that knows I can and you won't catch me.
If having to ask in places where we can't smoke, this would mean asking in every indoor place imaginable. I currently can't think of any indoor place in my neck of the woods where smoking is permitted. It also would mean asking in a lot of outdoor places as well. But I'm thinking some vapers won't be asking in the outdoor areas, and will be citing same logic that us indoor vape everywhere people use. If the mutual respect thing is in place between vaper and manager, I guess I don't see it as a huge issue. But if the response from person that is asked is "because I said so," then I see a problem, and one that does, quite plausibly, call for civil disobedience.
The one response I got that said no, that wasn't going to change there that day, and that I didn't find disrespectful was when manger of chain store said, "if it were up to me, you could, but headquarters sets policy, and I have to abide by that." As headquarters is entirely unlikely to respond to correspondence on this matter unless forced to do so (i.e. from local, state, national politician), it does present a pretty firm no, without manger having to be rude in the process.
I have been told not to vape when I asked if it was okay to do so, and then have asked "why not" and most of the time it is response based on ignorance, to which I go into education mode, and to which the person usually shows interest in reconsidering their policy. The times where the usual doesn't occur was when manager said, "because I said so." That didn't bode well for mutual respect, considering I'm the type of vaper that knows I can and you won't catch me.
If having to ask in places where we can't smoke, this would mean asking in every indoor place imaginable. I currently can't think of any indoor place in my neck of the woods where smoking is permitted. It also would mean asking in a lot of outdoor places as well. But I'm thinking some vapers won't be asking in the outdoor areas, and will be citing same logic that us indoor vape everywhere people use. If the mutual respect thing is in place between vaper and manager, I guess I don't see it as a huge issue. But if the response from person that is asked is "because I said so," then I see a problem, and one that does, quite plausibly, call for civil disobedience.
The one response I got that said no, that wasn't going to change there that day, and that I didn't find disrespectful was when manger of chain store said, "if it were up to me, you could, but headquarters sets policy, and I have to abide by that." As headquarters is entirely unlikely to respond to correspondence on this matter unless forced to do so (i.e. from local, state, national politician), it does present a pretty firm no, without manger having to be rude in the process.
Good, Im glad I have your attention.Hard to Say what Tangent Cumulonimbus Bliss on. But I sure hope He/She comes back and let's us know.
The Suspense is just Killing me.
It appears that we are all in agreement that noticeable amounts of vapor being produced in public is the source of tension between vapers and non-vapers. As a result, the acceptance and realization of how beneficial electronic cigarettes are is being literally clouded by the bi-product of the substance that we are trying to promote. Furthermore, because this is such a frustrating situation, a rift is being created within the vaping community.
All this conflict about airborne water is absurd, not because vapor clouds are harmless, but because there is a way to remove the cloud from the equation. People will always be offended by plumes of smoke, tobacco or otherwise, for reasons that we can all relate to.
First of all, clouds stink. I don't care if it smells like an ashtray or peach cobbler, not everyone has the same taste in smells. Same thing applies perfume and exotic cooking.
Second, the huge plumes of vapor produced by cloud chasers obstructs vision and is distracting. I know every single one of you has done the ol' anti-fog jazz-hand while driving or while sitting in front of your computer.
Let me take a moment here to reassure everyone that I love vaping and nothing is more satisfying than getting home from work, kickin off my shoes, and proceeding to pea-soup my living room with some Mothers Milk chucked from a sub-ohm dual coil. Having said that, I understand how frustrating it is to engage in a perfectly harmless act in a wide open space only to hear a passive-aggressive cough come from the other side of the bar. Even more frustrating though is knowing your brother, sister, and mom will all die of cancer because they refuse to pick up an e-cig and would rather smoke due to all the static surrounding the vaping community. Im willing to sacrifice those clouds in public if it means saving the lives of my family and countless others.
So my question to everyone is this: Why are we clinging to this fog so hard?
It's job is done. It's no longer providing flavor or nicotine. Just lingering in the sky, pissing off those around you and extending the time that we have to be on the defensive and giving ammo to those who would rather we just smoke cigarettes and die like good sheep.
Maybe there's something I'm missing because I've been telling fellow vapers about the solution for a while and the majority of people either don't care about others or believe that blowing vapor down there shirt is an effective method.(You're not fooling anyone by the way.) Please help me out with this because I'm starting to lose faith in humanity.
Maybe you should Tell Us about the Solution.
Because I read your Post Twice thinking Maybe I Missed It.
I want my 3 Minutes Back.
@Bliss
I see a bunch of related but not identical issues here, and IMO the problem in this conversation is MOSTLY (not entirely!) that people prioritize them differently and/or confuse some of items in conversation, so I might be talking about #5 and someone thinks I want to drop #6. Or someone means #7 but I'm hearing 7,8, and 9 combined.
1. Getting my vape when I need it.
2. Enjoying my vape immensely.
3. Educating the public that it is harmless
4. Impressing smokers
5. Not pissing off the naive "undecideds" of the population
6. Standing up for my rights.
7. Vaping in enclosed publicly-available private spaces.
8. Vaping in moderately-enclosed publicly-OWNED spaces.
9. Vaping outdoors on PUBLICLY-OWNED property.
I see a bunch of related but not identical issues here, and IMO the problem in this conversation is MOSTLY (not entirely!) that people prioritize them differently and/or confuse some of items in conversation, so I might be talking about #5 and someone thinks I want to drop #6. Or someone means #7 but I'm hearing 7,8, and 9 combined.
1. Getting my vape when I need it.
2. Enjoying my vape immensely.
3. Educating the public that it is harmless
4. Impressing smokers
5. Not pissing off the naive "undecideds" of the population
6. Standing up for my rights.
7. Vaping in enclosed publicly-available private spaces.
8. Vaping in moderately-enclosed publicly-OWNED spaces.
9. Vaping outdoors on PUBLICLY-OWNED property.
Maybe you should Tell Us about the Solution.
Because I read your Post Twice thinking Maybe I Missed It.
I want my 3 Minutes Back.
I invented something and it's not a toilet paper roll stuffed bounce.
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So you don't believe removing vapor while in public situations would benefit our image and effectively put us in the same category as someone drinking a glass water?
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