Why Vapers are getting a BAD NAME.

[Baldr]

I gave my opinion. Why should I vape where I could not smoke? I do not need to constantly tell people it is not smoke. I have better things to do with my time. You are inhaling nic that is not healthy, no matter how you slice. I think you should do some research on nic.

I think it's entirely up to you whether you vape where you are not allowed to smoke. The part I have an issue with is when other people think that they have the right to tell me that *I* must also vape only in areas where smoking is allowed.

The only place I have this "it's not smoke" discussion is here on ECF. In the real world, when I vape, nobody cares. In most bars, there are quite a few other people vaping.

I've probably done more research on nic than you have. I might go back to using it. I haven't had any nic (other than what I get from tomatoes and similar foods) in something like six months. Regardless, if the nic is actually unhealthy, as you claim, then the solution would be to stop using nic. vaping in the smoking area wouldn't make it any safer.

 

[Baldr]

I vape where I wish to vape...is that a good enough answer for you?

There is nothing wrong with that at all.

This is something you posted earlier. It's an example of you trying to tell the rest of us that we have to do it your way.

I think no-one should vape where you cannot smoke.

That's what I'm taking issue with.

 

[Nermal]

So long as you want to vape with smokers, that is an excellent answer.

 

[Uma]

There are many studies showing that unadulterated nicotine, such as is found in an eCig, is beneficial in many ways, especially neurological.
Here's a summary of some discoveries
PLOS Biology: Nicotine as Therapy

I could post all day, the positive studies, but all you have to do is google for the benefits of nicotine.

 

[CabinetGuyScott]

All this talk about respect.

When did it become a one-way street?

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Yes yes yes and one more for good measure: YES

And while I have the microphone:

There is no right NOTto be offended!!

Think about that...

Especially when the perceived affect is nothing but visual

 

[8dragon9]

Let me pose this, do you all vape if someone asks you not to in their home? Would you vape if your boss says you cant?

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[LDS714]

I gave my opinion. Why should I vape where I could not smoke? I do not need to constantly tell people it is not smoke. I have better things to do with my time. You are inhaling nic that is not healthy, no matter how you slice. I think you should do some research on nic.

Because it hurts no one. Their denial of your doing so because the may be 'offended' is basically pure crap and oppressive to boot.

Nicotine - as deadly a caffeine. Do you drink coffee or other beverages where you cannot smoke? What If you were to belch and emit caffeine vapor?

 

[FRANKSTER]

Because it hurts no one. Their denial of your doing so because the may be 'offended' is basically pure crap and oppressive to boot.

Nicotine - as deadly a caffeine. Do you drink coffee or other beverages where you cannot smoke? What If you were to belch and emit caffeine vapor?

I am trying to watch pretty little liars on netflix and you are getting in the way of that. My girlfriend thinks you are annoying and so do I so why can't you go play in traffic. I am looking at Lucy Hale's eyes. I cannot be bothered with you people. Soon, e-cigs will be illegal and then hopefully you guys can find something else to play with.

 

[p.opus]

I am trying to watch pretty little liars on netflix and you are getting in the way of that. My girlfriend thinks you are annoying and so do I so why can't you go play in traffic. I am looking at Lucy Hale's eyes. I cannot be bothered with you people. Soon, e-cigs will be illegal and then hopefully you guys can find something else to play with.

Peace out!!!

 

[p.opus]

Let me pose this, do you all vape if someone asks you not to in their home? Would you vape if your boss says you cant?

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No I would not, because the person has asked me not to vape in their home. I always respect the wishes of the property owner, I am a guest in their home. Also, I do not wish to jeopardize my employment because I am at work, again a completely different argument. My company does not have a specific vaping policy, and I guess I could go to HR and "win" if I went against my boss, but what good does that do? I just piss off my boss and give him an opportunity to hold against me later.

The situation posed by the OP is neither.

Vaping was NOT specifically banned by the property owner (the doctor). The OP was the one who was offended, and confronted the fellow vaper. The OP was not the property owner, nor did the OP hold any sort of authority over the vaper in question.

The OP was simply offended because they did not agree with the vaper's behavior and then confronted the vaper where it was neither solicited nor appreciated.

The OP confronted a fellow vaper because the vaper performed an action that was neither forbidden, banned or harmful, but simply offended the sensibilities of the OP. This is Nanny type behavior and I have no stomach for it.

 

[Jman8]

I vape where I wish to vape...is that a good enough answer for you?

As this was addressed to me, I would say post #122 would be my (mature) response.

After seeing post #128, which actually humored me (first line being almost signature worthy), then my updated response would be:
a) not so mature and/or
b) best I just go with what post #129 said.

 

[Myk]

You are inhaling nic that is not healthy, no matter how you slice. I think you should do some research on nic.

And that would be why the nicorette inhaler didn't pass medical testing and is illegal?
Oh wait, it did and it's not. Maybe you need to do the research.

Let me pose this, do you all vape if someone asks you not to in their home? Would you vape if your boss says you cant?

That has nothing to do with this.
But no I wouldn't vape in someone's house if they told me not to vape. If it was winter I would make sure I had a pack of cigarettes before going to their house and I would avoid going to their house as much as possible.

 

[Jugband]

OMG! I don't know if it's because it's late here in Pennsylvania, but I can't stop laughing at this! How funny!!!! Thank you!!!

 

[Jman8]

Let me pose this, do you all vape if someone asks you not to in their home? Would you vape if your boss says you cant?

That's a good and fair question within this discussion.

My response is that I probably would not vape where someone told me, directly, I could not. Yet I would very likely engage in a discussion to discover the reason for why not. If that reason was one that was based on ignorance (i.e. because SHV is harmful, and that point is not up for discussion) or discussion is not one of a 2 way street of respect, then I may just vape in that location. Not for sure that I would, and not in front of them, but it would be akin to if I were told (indirectly) to not vape in an outdoor park as a matter of policy by current manager of that park (system). And I learned that the policy was in place because SHV is deemed to be harmful without any (legitimate) evidence to back that assertion up.

I realize that is rebellious and/or comes off as vindictive, but my reality so far with this is it has only come up once (in 2012, no less). Here in early 2014, with usage bans sweeping the country I reside in, I honestly think that sort of rebellion is called for. It would be a peaceful rebellion and if need be, would result in me and others demonstrating that SHV poses between very little and no harm to all persons in an area, regardless of their age. And that SHV can bypass the annoyance factor because it is a virtually invisible activity, with next to no odor.

If a boss said no to vaping, I would be seeking consistency on that sort of policy and where I felt it was being circumvented with other items, I may seek to exploit that for sake of further dialogue and consistency on principle of the matter. But assuming the job is that important to me, I would unlikely vape in a place where the boss said not to.

 

[jwoode]

So I was sitting on a plane waiting for takeoff and this lady sat next to me, smiled and proceeded to fix her makeup. I'm thinking.. oh god I hope she doesn't want to talk. Then she pulls out some little bottle and spritzes her god awful perfume all over herself and me. I felt like gagging and I guess I gave her a look. She looks at me and says.. but it's cartier..

I'm new here and don't know the politics but it seems to me that blowing a cloud of anything at another person is kinda rude. If I was in a doctor's waiting room with my sick kid, I would be the first to say something if someone blew a cloud anywhere near my kid. I don't care what it is.. don't be blowing clouds in a doctors office.. someone in this room is not well.. and one more cloud in my kids face will get that mod shoved down your throat..

I vape because I'm a nicotine addict and I can step outside just like the guy that needs a smoke. A little bit of courtesy really does go a long way.

This mentality of "just because it isn't known to be harmful so I will vape whenever and wherever" that will bring legislation down on vapers for sure. All anyone has to do is appeal to the ignorant masses.. just like they are doing successfully now.

Vapers may know better.. or not.. but vapers are a minority and minorities get trampled more often than not.

educate first, then demonstrate.

 

[LeftHandBlack]

Common courtesy still applies and none of us or anyone else knows exactly the harm done by vaping. Anywhere you wouldnt dare light up a cig you shouldnt be vaping! DONT BE THAT PERSON!

 

[8dragon9]

Thats where I was going with that statement. Courtesy. If someone asks me not to do something within their home, I abide by it. Its just damn rude otherwise. Just because our vaper.is not harmless, or to us doesnt smell bad, does not mean we have any right to circumvent common courtesy and respect of someone elses personal space. Its pure arrogance and disrespect to take on the fak you I will do what I want attitude especially with a substance, and substance delivery system that is currently under a lot of scrutiny at this point in time.

sent from the s4 of DOOOM

 

[8dragon9]

That's a good and fair question within this discussion.

My response is that I probably would not vape where someone told me, directly, I could not. Yet I would very likely engage in a discussion to discover the reason for why not. If that reason was one that was based on ignorance (i.e. because SHV is harmful, and that point is not up for discussion) or discussion is not one of a 2 way street of respect, then I may just vape in that location. Not for sure that I would, and not in front of them, but it would be akin to if I were told (indirectly) to not vape in an outdoor park as a matter of policy by current manager of that park (system). And I learned that the policy was in place because SHV is deemed to be harmful without any (legitimate) evidence to back that assertion up.

I realize that is rebellious and/or comes off as vindictive, but my reality so far with this is it has only come up once (in 2012, no less). Here in early 2014, with usage bans sweeping the country I reside in, I honestly think that sort of rebellion is called for. It would be a peaceful rebellion and if need be, would result in me and others demonstrating that SHV poses between very little and no harm to all persons in an area, regardless of their age. And that SHV can bypass the annoyance factor because it is a virtually invisible activity, with next to no odor.

If a boss said no to vaping, I would be seeking consistency on that sort of policy and where I felt it was being circumvented with other items, I may seek to exploit that for sake of further dialogue and consistency on principle of the matter. But assuming the job is that important to me, I would unlikely vape in a place where the boss said not to.

This ive been through, when I started vaping my wife, daughter, and myself were living with my parents to get on our feet, my.mother smokes, my stepdad is a cold turkey quitter of 10 years, they initially said no (now mind you im 24) we discussed it, tried it, and besides cinnimon as mom simply hated the fireball aroma for what ever reason, it went fine and they converted to being ok with it. At my work originally we vaped anywhere, higher ups decided not in the shop do to some people being irritated by four vapors keeping the break room so misty during lunch along with an allergy which I was fine with, those were logical reasons and I abide by it

sent from the s4 of DOOOM

 

[Jman8]

I'm new here and don't know the politics but it seems to me that blowing a cloud of anything at another person is kinda rude.

Do you realize that people are blowing clouds of something every single time they exhale? How's that sit with you?

If I was in a doctor's waiting room with my sick kid, I would be the first to say something if someone blew a cloud anywhere near my kid. I don't care what it is.. don't be blowing clouds in a doctors office.. someone in this room is not well.. and one more cloud in my kids face will get that mod shoved down your throat..

Why this sort of comment is allowed to stand in this sort of discussion is beyond me. Blowing a cloud in someone's face and let's go on for 10+ pages about it, but say you'll use violence to deal with a situation and not a big deal? Out of curiosity what do you think would happen an hour, day, or week after you did this action? I'll give you a clue. You and your kid would be talking thru a glass window for at least a few months.

 

[Jman8]

Common courtesy still applies and none of us or anyone else knows exactly the harm done by vaping.

We have science that strongly suggests and/or provides evidence for exhaled vapor being of no significant harm to anyone in an enclosed space. To deny this must be very convenient. Akin to putting forth the claim that none of us or anyone else knows exactly the harm done by exhaling carbon dioxide into a room. Not to mention, exhaling whatever it is that has you sitting in a waiting room of a doctor's office.