Why Vapers are getting a BAD NAME.

[wv2win]

Unlike you, I have been stating my position directly and succinctly for several years on ECF:

vape openly most places (not all) but do so respectfully and with common sense. And do not equate vaping to smoking by proposing that we should never vape where smoking is prohibited.

Two Sentence is a Rant? LOL

But this is the Heart of Why wv2win and I Disagree.

wv2win believes that we should Use an e-Cigarette Everywhere. And that by doing so we are Somehow Educating People.

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Just amazing. The only thing you proved with this post, is you can't be trusted. You definitely misrepresented my position, which is par for the course with you.

I highlighted my public vaping stance so maybe you won't go into other threads and misrepresent some other members comments. I clearly stated "not all" places IMO (only) are appropriate for vaping. Most are, however and if done respectfully and with the intent to educate if the opportunity arises, all the better. And we aren't "somehow educating" others to the non-intrusive nature of vaping when we do so respectfully in public, we definitely are educating them and I have many examples from personal experience to support that point. And before you ask, two places I don't vape are in church or on an occupied elevator among several examples.

And when it comes to education, it is more important IMO to educate non-smokers as well as smokers, which can only be done effectively somewhat up close and personal. From one of your previous posts, it appears you want to educate smokers instead of non-smokers.

 

[wv2win]

No. Because your previous question had to do with "where vaping is not allowed". Then you quoted him in a situation where he could go an ask, but it would probably take an extremely long time to find building management. It wasn't a "you know it isn't allowed" situation.

I Am Curious. Is There A Reason That You Capitalize Almost Every Word In Almost Every Post? Do You Think That R Make U Look Smrtrz!?

+1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[zoiDman]

Just amazing. The only thing you proved with this post, is you can't be trusted. You definitely misrepresented my position, which is par for the course with you.

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How can I Misrepresent your Position when you Won't even State It.

"Vape openly most places (not all) but do so respectfully and with common sense."

Most Places? But Not All? What does that Mean.

Sounds like Political Speak to Me. Lots of Words, but Nothing Clear Cut.

 

[Jay-dub]

I meant the squishy minds.
I'm completely serious about the Nazi comparison. Give them time. I was thinking about this the other day. I don't think the original anti-smokers intended for what is going on now to go on. I think what happened is some little kid like me who was brainwashed never grew out of it and started thinking for themselves. Like many Brownshirts they believed and they grew up to be the ANTZ we have now. So what happens when they who think they should take the kids away from smokers get done brainwashing the next leaders? Will they be willing to put people who breaks a smoking ban to death? I can see them justifying that just like their present zealotry allows them to justify things that are crossing the line.

In IL you USUALLY don't see much difference between Republican and Democrat because to win a statewide job you need the Chicago vote. That causes a lot of RHINOs to be in the party which waters down what being a Republican is.
As far as federal goes they're BASICALLY the same, the difference is who's rights they are willing to destroy.

And this is where I found your tea bagger slur to be ludicrous. They are the ones most likely to not be corrupt and willing to destroy anyone's rights. If there is any hope it's with the Tea Party causing both parties to change and start doing what they're supposed to be doing. (But I have no hope, I think the money is big enough to corrupt anyone who goes to DC.)
I don't see the Democrat voters even attempting to change their party for the better.
What's worse is there are voters for both parties that want them both to continue getting worse.

My whole reason for acquiescing on my Tea Bag comment vs. your Nazi comment was to avoid adopting this very attitude. I, personally, think "wack-job" when I read your posts. But I'm sure people think the same when they read mine. Doesn't mean I'm not a good person worthy of being involved in a conversation. Same goes for you.

 

[Jman8]

How can I Misrepresent your Position when you Won't even State It.

You don't see how that is possible?

I don't know what your position is about vaping 100 mg nic, so, I will just say that you think everyone should do it. I haven't misrepresented your position have I?

 

[zoiDman]

You don't see how that is possible?

I don't know what your position is about vaping 100 mg nic, so, I will just say that you think everyone should do it. I haven't misrepresented your position have I?

I think you just Proved my Point with a Very Good Example.

You Can't Misrepresent a Persons Position if they Don't State it.

Thank you Jman8. One of the First things I can Agree with You on today.

 

[Jman8]

So that is your position. You really think people should vape 100 mg nic. Wow!

 

[zoiDman]

So that is your position. You really think people should vape 100 mg nic. Wow!

No... You're Missing it. Until I state My Position on Whether I am For or Against Vaping 100mg, you Can Misrepresent it.

You Can Misrepresent something that Hasn't been Presented.

Funny how You Can't See This. Seeing that you Wrote a Wall-of-Text about the use of Words earlier in this thread.

 

[Jman8]

How can I Misrepresent your Position when you Won't even State It.

No... You're Missing it. Until I state My Position on Whether I am For or Against Vaping 100mg, you Can Misrepresent it.

You Can Misrepresent something that Hasn't been Presented.

I'm pretty sure before this thread started, you have seen wv2win's position stated.

He stated and highlighted that position in this thread. Again, I don't think this thread is first time he's presented it. Also, not the first time you've seen it.

But we don't need to rehash this as your own presentation in this thread of 'what it means to be engaged in rude vaping' is misrepresented by your own words.

 

[wv2win]

How can I Misrepresent your Position when you Won't even State It.

"Vape openly most places (not all) but do so respectfully and with common sense."

Most Places? But Not All? What does that Mean.

Sounds like Political Speak to Me. Lots of Words, but Nothing Clear Cut.

Once again, reading comprehension is one of your weaknesses. Actually that probably is incorrect. You know exactly what my position is. You just choose to misrepresent it. Others have no problem understanding and agreeing with my position on how and where to vape in public. I even gave you several examples of where I don't vape in public. But, you prefer to obfuscate and misdirect instead of just admitting that you misrepresented my position in your earlier post.

 

[Jay-dub]

Once again, reading comprehension is one of your weaknesses. Actually that probably is incorrect. You know exactly what my position is. You just choose to misrepresent it. Others have no problem understanding and agreeing with my position on how and where to vape in public. I even gave you several examples of where I don't vape in public. But, you prefer to obfuscate and misdirect instead of just admitting that you misrepresented my position in your earlier post.

Is it possible for you to be in a conversation without diminishing the other person's intellect or intent? Just to change it up once in a while. You know, throw us a curve ball and have a discussion based on the subject, not the personal, social, or intellectual status of someone you disagree with? I know - it's reaaaaallly hard to do. I doubt I succeed at it that often so it's probably hard to notice. Must be the same for you.

 

[p.opus]

 

[jwoode]

now the sheep are very cool.. at last this thread took a turn for the better.

 

[stevegmu]

It's my right! I'll vape 100mg nic whereI want!!! No one can stop me

 

[uba egar320]

Nazi's, sheeple and reading comprehension brought into play..

/thread

 

[LDS714]

Nazi's, sheeple and reading comprehension brought into play..

/thread

Yeah.

The term 'thought provoking' could be applied to certain parts. Wonder what it wold take to keep threads like this pointed in that direction.

Criticizing grammar and political views may not be the way to keep people engaged and thinking.

 

[uba egar320]

Yeah.

The term 'thought provoking' could be applied to certain parts. Wonder what it wold take to keep threads like this pointed in that direction.

Criticizing grammar and political views may not be the way to keep people engaged and thinking.

Hot chick pics?

 

[jwoode]

Yeah.

The term 'thought provoking' could be applied to certain parts. Wonder what it wold take to keep threads like this pointed in that direction.

Criticizing grammar and political views may not be the way to keep people engaged and thinking.

it's a bit too late for this one..

 

[zoiDman]

Once again, reading comprehension is one of your weaknesses. Actually that probably is incorrect. You know exactly what my position is. You just choose to misrepresent it. Others have no problem understanding and agreeing with my position on how and where to vape in public. I even gave you several examples of where I don't vape in public. But, you prefer to obfuscate and misdirect instead of just admitting that you misrepresented my position in your earlier post.

Yes wv2win, I know what you Say your Position is in This Thread. I have also Read Many Of your Post in Other Threads.

Vape openly most places (not all) but do so respectfully and with common sense.

Why don’t you just come out and say what you Really Feel? Instead of making statements that sound more like what those Politicians Speak that you Despise so Much.

I couldn’t Disagree more with Jman8’s view about Vaping Everywhere. But at least he is Not Afraid to State what he Feels and then Stands by what he Says. I can Respect a Person who does that even if I Disagree with Him.

Buy You dance around the Issue with things like “Most Places” and “Not All”. Because you know it Satisfies the Vape Everywhere Crowd. But Doesn’t Overly Offend the Non Vape Everywhere People. You also know that Many Members Haven't been around the ECF Long Enough to have seen what you have said over the years.

You and I Both Know that you feel that People should be Able to Vape Everywhere. And are Opposed to ALL Bans and ALL forms of e-Cigarette Regulations.

Misrepresented Your Position? That is Funny coming from a Person who uses the Litany that I equate “Vaping = Smoking” in Every thread you and I are in.

You can have the Last Reply wv2win.

 

[Jay-dub]

Yeah.

The term 'thought provoking' could be applied to certain parts. Wonder what it wold take to keep threads like this pointed in that direction.

Criticizing grammar and political views may not be the way to keep people engaged and thinking.

I'd like to think I haven't been wasting my effort; or even sabotaging my own effort to that end. But going back through this thread makes me wish I would be less "in the moment" sometimes...