Why Vapers are getting a BAD NAME.

[Tmg666]

The fact that she was being stealthy while using it but then blowing a big cloud (if it was that big) and around children with parents who may not know what vaping is yet and possible ordor from juice wether it be good or bad. Will the vapor effect the children? Probably not but until we're sure shouldn't expose it to children so young ( obviously loads healthier then analogs but still could be some nicotine not absorbed and if they're using a high nic level Children might get alittle)

 

[DC2]

Will the vapor effect the children? Probably not but until we're sure shouldn't expose it to children so young ( obviously loads healthier then analogs but still could be some nicotine not absorbed and if they're using a high nic level Children might get alittle)

Do you have any thoughts as to why that might be a bad thing for them even if they did get a tiny bit of nicotine?
Because from everything I understand, it might just do them some good.

 

[stevegmu]

I thought inhaling nicotine at a young age stunts growth? Look at China...

 

[Tmg666]

With his child being mere months old caffeine wouldn't be good for it I can't see nicotine being much different

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[flowerpots]

Now back to your regularly scheduled debate

 

[zoiDman]

Do you have any thoughts as to why that might be a bad thing for them even if they did get a tiny bit of nicotine?
Because from everything I understand, it might just do them some good.

This would be about the Last thing I would Ever Suggest to a Parent.

 

[Berylanna]

The fact that she was being stealthy while using it but then blowing a big cloud (if it was that big) and around children with parents who may not know what vaping is yet and possible ordor from juice wether it be good or bad. Will the vapor effect the children? Probably not but until we're sure shouldn't expose it to children so young ( obviously loads healthier then analogs but still could be some nicotine not absorbed and if they're using a high nic level Children might get alittle)

Already been seriously studied. Kids would get MASSIVELY more amounts of blood nicotine from eating potatoes or tomatoes than from second-hand vape. But the e-liquid bottles and even tank toppers can give DANGEROUS amounts very fast.

So keep out of reach of children. But PLEASE read the Drexel/Burstyn study, and the Clear Stream study. Blood uptake SECOND_HAND was unmeasurable.

It's bad-enough that the ANTZ keep saying this, VAPERS need to learn the science and STOP worrying about second-hand vapor EXCEPT for situations where hot food would be forbidden. E-cig vapor is not LIKE food vapor, it IS food vapor!!!!

And no, we are becoming increasingly sure that FIRST-hand vapor's safety depends on whether or not dangerous food flavorings are in use. The stomach acid protects against things the lungs can be harmed by: specifically "popcorn lung." BTW, do you know anybody who will not pop corn in the same house with little kids? (Popcorn lung mostly affects popcorn workers, hence the new fad of having moviegoers add the butter flavoring themselves, away from the full-time workers.)

 

[DC2]

This would be about the Last thing I would Ever Suggest to a Parent.

From a common sense standpoint, sure, but in all likelihood it's probably better for them than Starbucks.

 

[zoiDman]

From a common sense standpoint, sure, but in all likelihood it's probably better for them than Starbucks.

I just Don't Think you Ever want to Broach the Subject of Exposing someone's else's Children to ANYTHING without the Parents Consent.

And I believe this is a Surefire way to Garnish a Lot of Support, all Bad, from people who Normally would Not Care what Other People Do or put in Their Bodies.

 

[Berylanna]

I just Don't Think you Ever want to Broach the Subject of Exposing someone's else's Children to ANYTHING without the Parents Consent.

And I believe this is a Surefire way to Garnish a Lot of Support, all Bad, from people who Normally would Not Care what Other People Do or put in Their Bodies.

No I don't broach it. But we should not BELIEVE it. If you order eggs at a restaurant, do you ask the parents at all the other tables if they consent to hot eggs near their child? My granddaughter is allergic. I will stealth-vape in a restaurant if there are no small children at ADJACENT tables. I will NOT vape in a pediatricians waiting room. Parents can keep their kids out of restaurants, they can NOT keep them out of Dr. offices (except maybe geriatric offices) and they SHOULD not have to keep them out of libraries.

THERE IS NICOTINE IN THE FOOD THE PARENTS ARE ALREADY FEEDING THEIR KIDS. And studies show that vaping near other people is NOT exposing them to measuable nicotine. And unlike some pesticides, caffeine and nicotine are instant poisons, not persistent, they do not build up in tissues via micro-amounts.

If you need to ask a parent's permission to 'expose their child to nicotine' then you need to ask the same parent if you can drink coffee in the same place. (Scientifically and therefore morally, I mean. Socially is another matter, and we are fighting a social war.)

The reason I don't do that is PERCEPTION of the parent, which I do care a LOT about. But WE VAPERS should all know that perception is just plain wrong. So don't scare them, it's bad for US. (BTW, my daughter started insisting I DO vape around her children (the rooms in her house are big) rather than calling her once an hour to spell me while I go out to vape. She wants a longer nap than 1 hour.)

 

[Berylanna]

I thought inhaling nicotine at a young age stunts growth? Look at China...

I cannot believe they have yet studied inhaling nicotine without smoke. It's too new. Arsenic? Carbon monoxide? 4000 other chemicals? Not exactly a controlled experiment.

But the SECOND-HAND exposure is not at all significant for nicotine alone.

 

[zoiDman]

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The reason I don't do that is PERCEPTION of the parent, which I do care a LOT about. But WE VAPERS should all know that perception is just plain wrong. So don't scare them, it's bad for US. ...

Yeah... Perceptions and Emotions are Not Driven by Facts for Most People.

God or Bad, Right or Wrong. Scientific or Quackery. It really Doesn't Matter to Me. If ANYTHING involves a person's Child without a Parents Consent, you are going to Inflame a Very Deeply Rooted Primal Instinct.

You couple this with the Fact that the Vast Majority of Non-Vaping Individuals are Uninformed and are being feed a Constant Supply of Misinformation and Hype from your Local PTA Association all the way to Senate Representatives and you have a Recipe for Ruin.

 

[Berylanna]

Yeah... Perceptions and Emotions are Not Driven by Facts for Most People.

God or Bad, Right or Wrong. Scientific or Quackery. It really Doesn't Matter to Me. If ANYTHING involves a person's Child without a Parents Consent, you are going to Inflame a Very Deeply Rooted Primal Instinct.

You couple this with the Fact that the Vast Majority of Non-Vaping Individuals are Uninformed and are being feed a Constant Supply of Misinformation and Hype from your Local PTA Association all the way to Senate Representatives and you have a Recipe for Ruin.

As a Mom a can confirm this 1000%.

 

[zoiDman]

As a Mom a can confirm this 1000%.

Let me offer a Belated Happy Mother's Day to you Berylanna.

 

[Berylanna]

Let me offer a Belated Happy Mother's Day to you Berylanna.

Thanks. It was a strange day. I had a baby on Mothers' Day. Yesterday she turned 40 so it was a big day, including a picture of me with my Mom, my daughter, and my granddaughter.

On the down side, I dropped my PV and didn't notice when I had to chase an escaped balloon. My 4-year-old grandson noticed and went to pick it up. His Dad noticed and stopped him, whereupon my grandson said "But it's Grandma's!" So I got it back, all within about 20 seconds. But it scared the hell out of me, he was with his 2-year-old sister, and they have seen me "suck" on it. Needless to say I reconfigured my holder to prevent any recurrences. I always try to be very safe with my vape around kids, often putting it on a high shelf, always in a belt pouch if it's on me, but every once in awhile I find something I need to change.

We vapers have a lot to work on in all directions. Being safe and, separately, being perceived as safe.

 

[aceswired]

LOL - vape around sick infants. You're doing them a favor!

Wow.

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[Jman8]

Vaped in another restaurant yesterday. I think that makes 3 for 2014, maybe more. Was a local Burger King. Went in to order take out. Had to wait about 5 minutes for my order to be complete. Stood in about 4 different spots while I waited. Vaped in all 4 spots. I think 5 puffs in all. Never asked if it was okay and chose to vape like I belong there. There were other patrons in the establishment each time I puffed, and 99% sure none saw me, even while I openly vaped.

Still batting 1.000 in my indoor vaping, not just in 2014, but since early 2012.

One of these days I may agree with opposition's points in this ongoing debate. Yesterday was not one of those days.

 

[Im a Monster]

There is no second-hand vapor and infants will never, ever, ever remember that experience. She was harming no one and attempted to be stealthy about it. Now, getting caught is not stealthy "enough", but to have another vaper call her out...

Rudeness or not, there is no need to get upset. That woman never knew you, never met you, never interacted with you in your entire life up until that point. And yet you feel the right to interject yourself into her life? She "did something" to "piss you off", and now you have the right to enter her world and tell her what she's doing wrong?

Dude, face it, you're you, everyone else is everyone else, and not everyone's going to be or agree exactly like you. This applies to more than just vaping:

DEAL WITH IT.

On one hand, I agree with you completely. On the other, if your going to vape. Don't make it seem like your doing something illegal. It looks suspicious to everyone, and not everyone is understanding. There are people that don't recognize ecigs at all.

Those people could've easily thought it was mind altering drug. You know how feeble minded and ignorant people can be. If people like that were to be the ones to call her out. Immediately, ecigs would be linked as a method of drug use. Then, once again. The vaping community would be shunned, and vaping in general would gain more notoriety.

Who's to say he was wrong about the decisions he made, in the time he was given? Then again, who's to say he's right?

This is the type of material that starts debates. It's just an experience, let's just leave it that.

 

[zoiDman]

Vaped in another restaurant yesterday. I think that makes 3 for 2014, maybe more. Was a local Burger King. Went in to order take out. Had to wait about 5 minutes for my order to be complete. Stood in about 4 different spots while I waited. Vaped in all 4 spots. I think 5 puffs in all. Never asked if it was okay and chose to vape like I belong there. There were other patrons in the establishment each time I puffed, and 99% sure none saw me, even while I openly vaped.

Still batting 1.000 in my indoor vaping, not just in 2014, but since early 2012.

One of these days I may agree with opposition's points in this ongoing debate. Yesterday was not one of those days.

Why do you think that Because No One Confronted you that everything is Honkey Dory?

Most of the People I know, Myself Included, aren't Going to make a Scene in a Fast Food Restaurant over something they Don't Like. They are just going to go Home, Eat the Meat By-Product Burger, and then Fire of an e-Mail to a Corporate Headquarters.

That, and Not Go Back to that Fast Food Outlet.

If your Only Benchmark to People's Disapproval of something you do in Public is a Running Total of How Many Times you are Confronted, I think you are Not Seeing the Entire Picture.

 

[Midniteoyl]

There is no second-hand vapor and infants will never, ever, ever remember that experience. She was harming no one and attempted to be stealthy about it. Now, getting caught is not stealthy "enough", but to have another vaper call her out...

Rudeness or not, there is no need to get upset. That woman never knew you, never met you, never interacted with you in your entire life up until that point. And yet you feel the right to interject yourself into her life? She "did something" to "piss you off", and now you have the right to enter her world and tell her what she's doing wrong?

Dude, face it, you're you, everyone else is everyone else, and not everyone's going to be or agree exactly like you. This applies to more than just vaping:

DEAL WITH IT.

And this is why we are dealing with regulations and codes against vaping... Common courtesy goes a very long ways.