Why Vaping won't ever convert the masses (of smokers)

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Honestly, for me, it's tough to take the OP seriously when they admit to exaggerating....followed by a smiley face.

It's starting to get tiresome ignoring this kind of post anymore. I like the "poke the bear" approach with these to see what shakes out!
 

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The correct wall plug for these devices is one that supplies at least as much amperage as the device is asking for. For eGos and cigalikes, this may be as low as 500mA, but many of the larger box mods want a full 1A. It should be written somewhere on the device, the eGo charger, or in the instructions. Some of them will fast-charge at 2A if it's available, but this is not particularly good for your batteries anyway. Supplying "too much" amperage is not an issue -- the device will draw only what it needs. The problem arises when the device tries to pull more amps than the wall plug can dish out. That's when things get hot, and that's when things go boom.

Also, with an eGo or cigalike you must only ever use the charger (with the screwthread) that was supplied with the device, as some of them have reversed polarity and that will make a battery angry right quick if you try to charge it with the wrong one. BLU, for example, uses a regular 510 thread but with a center-negative instead of center-positive connection. Put a BLU battery on a standard (center-positive) eGo charger or vice-versa, and you're in for a fireworks show.

Thanks for clarifying this. I think there is too much ambiguity here for people to easily fall trap to making an error (and a potentially fatal one at that) when they may have thought they'd been nice and responsible and ticked all the boxes. Someone buys an ego, comes with a 500mA twisty thing with Kanger splashed all over it. Then they buy an EVOD and maybe a Subox, both with their own usb chargers. Two of these three will look virtually identical, but will cause a fire if mismatched. Can't someone agree this is at least SLIGHTLY dangerous to someone used to lighting something off of the tail end of another lit thing? What I'm saying is, human error, maybe, gross incompetence, no.

Honestly, for me, it's tough to take the OP seriously when they admit to exaggerating....followed by a smiley face.

I am serious and was very serious about posting that link on a site where new vapers come to find simple entry-level information on a site replete with technobabble (from their perspective). Like any activity, I think the importance of safety has to be stressed, and I don't think it has been stressed enough by websites, mall vendors, nor the Chinglish instructions of the products themselves.

The smiley face was just to show that I do still have a sense of humor.... :/

It's starting to get tiresome ignoring this kind of post anymore. I like the "poke the bear" approach with these to see what shakes out!

Don't quite know what you mean by that? I was just introducing what I thought was a valid observation from the point of view of someone who is neither beginner nor expert in the ways of vaping. Sorry if I didn't read the clique rules before posting....
 
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Thanks for clarifying this. I think there is too much ambiguity here for people to easily fall trap to making an error (and a potentially fatal one at that) when they may have thought they'd been nice and responsible and ticked all the boxes. Someone buys an ego, comes with a 500mA twisty thing with Kanger splashed all over it. Then they buy an EVOD and maybe a Subox, both with their own usb chargers. Two of these three will look virtually identical, but will cause a fire if mismatched. Can't someone agree this is at least SLIGHTLY dangerous to someone used to lighting something off of the tail end of another lit thing? What I'm saying is, human error, maybe, gross incompetence, no...

Potentially fatal? Maybe if you hold the entire Ego batt in your mouth, (and aim the vent holes down your throat), while using the wrong charger.

Using the wrong chargers with any device with an internal battery is slightly dangerous, as it may cause a fire. Of course, every time someone lights a cig, they're igniting material, (and usually using open flame to do it), which is at least slightly dangerous.

Regardless, stupid people find a way to hurt themselves. They always have, and always will. Batteries, APV's, or vaping in general are not to blame, and our choices shouldn't be limited by catering to the shallowest part of the gene pool.
 

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Didn't read many of the replies. But I agree with the sentiments in OP. Want to add that I was never taught battery safety in school.

Also, it is hard for some people to learn all the new information that you need to apply to safely use many devices. Personally, I have been on some heavy-duty psychiatric medicine for the last 16 years and have also had electroshock therapy, so I think it's safe to say my brain doesn't retain like it used to. I am just looking for a device that will satisfy me and is simple to operate, and all the bells-and-whistles and features people suggest just make everything more complicated. I have been using a subvod and toptank for a few months now and have had quality issues with it, probably because it is likely a knock-off, and am now in the market for something new because my local b&m doesn't carry the subvod. Otherwise, I could have happily vaped a subvod with toptank in 0.5 ohm coils the rest of my life, or until I decided to stop vaping. Just alternate the subvods every few hours and plug it into a usb wall charger. And I'm not even sure if THAT is safe because I couldn't find any info about what kind of wall wart to use with it. If it gets too much more complicated than that I will be tempted to say "screw it, I want a cigarette." But I won't. I'll just try to learn what I have to learn and hope my face doesn't get blown up. But most days I have at least one moment where I am a little scared to hit my ecig because I am scared my face will get blown off. I am sure not all, or for that matter 99%, of explosions are from user error, or if they are perhaps I am making a "user error" that I don't know about. Heck, I suspect my subvod and toptank are cheap knockoffs even though I ordered from a website that I researched first and read was reputable. Cheap knock-offs that might blow my face off. I wish I could just vape a little ego all day. If they made them sub-ohm, I would. I mean, that's essentially what I have been replicating with my subvod. Unfortunately, though, I do seem to require a little more power than an ego to stay off cigarettes.

Also, I vape precisely because I don't wan't to work at quitting. I don't have the willpower to quit nicotine.
 
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Made in China, huh ?

Lo and behold, the logo is from US companies, but the moment you chuck everything saying 'Made in China' out, your home would look very empty. Except maybe for that jar of peanut butter on the bare concrete floor :D
No doubt, they've got their more than fair share of shady operators peddling even shadier products.
EU alone pulled a few thousand products last year alone for failing to meet standards.
And thus one can witness Chinese tourists knowingly buying Chinese products while in Europe. The markup is for the perception that these products passed at least some rudimentary spot checks. and might be safe to use.
Ironic, isn't it ?

But China or no China, progress has a price. They didn't keep stats back then, but I figure that in medevial times, pedestrians got hurt or even killed by runaway horses just like they get run over by cars today.
What they did NOT have were smartphones and internet to let the whole world know that unca George just slipped on the dung heap and impaled himself on the pitchfork. Since unca George was drunk from Belgian instead of good 'ole Bavarian beer his untimely demise probably got blamed on these no-good Belgian brewers too...

We've changed technologies some, but I don't think we've changed the patterns on dealing with it much.

There were - and always will be - people that make your fingers hover over the 9 and 1 keys of our phone when they set about a task s simple as hanging a picture. And there were - and always will be - people you allow to tinker with your car without giving it a second thought.

Vaping's no different IMO. It's thanks to the mech mod tinkerers that the un-initiated now have access to sub-ohming too. They can do so now fairly safely thanks to the regulated mods. Imagine the body count if all vapers hell-bent on sub-ohming started to muck around with mechs only and no or little knowledge or regard for safety...

So the technology got more complicated to make it simpler to use.

A few mouse-clicks today get me more than a week's worth of coding in the early days of computing.

Like anything else, vaping can be as simple or as complex' as you want it to be.

DIY or ready juice, mech or regulated, ciga-like or fist-sized, barely discernible wisps or or clouds that could hide an ocean liner ... it's all there.

Take yer pick :)
 

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Any device I've bought, that did not include the wall wort, had specifications in the instructions.
You just have to read them.
Of course I read the instructions. It said nothing about what kind of wall wart to use with it. It came with a USB cable, nothing else, and no info about what kind of charger to use. I also could not find the info anywhere online, and other people have had the same problem, with no answers. One reason I am looking for a different device. There are vape devices being manufactured without any information about what kind of charger to use with them and how are you supposed to know how to charge them safely? I guess that attests to the OP's point, too.
 

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    Of course I read the instructions. It said nothing about what kind of wall wart to use with it. It came with a USB cable, nothing else, and no info about what kind of charger to use. I also could not find the info anywhere online, and other people have had the same problem, with no answers. One reason I am looking for a different device. There are vape devices being manufactured without any information about what kind of charger to use with them and how are you supposed to know how to charge them safely? I guess that attests to the OP's point, too.
    What brand /model is it?
     

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    Sorry if I didn't read the clique rules before posting....

    While we don't have "clique rules", you probably should read the forum rules before attempting another thread like this.

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    Kanger should have put that in their instructions, without having to go to their forum.
    kangertech.freeforums.org • View topic - Charging Subvod
    5v/500mA charger
    I looked over the instructions several times and didn't see anything about it. When I googled it I found other people have had the same complaint. Thank you for the link though.

    To be fair, I have suspicions it is a knock-off. I ordered it from myvaporstore, who I thought was reputable. There are an abundance of knock-offs online, which is why I think I'm going to stick to b&m's, despite their higher prices :(
     
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    There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of types of tobacco, several ways and many devices to smoke it in, and even more ways to consume it, all developed by thousands of people working over hundreds of years. One thing I've slowly come to realize is that sucking down 20+ a day of one brand of carpet glue-infused FSCs is not only a waste of lungs, it's practically an abuse of the rich history and variety of tobacco use (although 1 cig a month is ambitious enough for me now). It took a lot to "dumb down" tobacco use to the point of its mass acceptance and robotic consumption.

    As to China, if they weren't making it affordable this revolution wouldn't be happening. And regarding DIY, cost is one reason because the easy way is still quite expensive.

    I really do wish vape shops would stop selling eGo stuff like CE4 clearos. Practically every other non-cigalike budget device is better, and many are close in price.
     

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    I actually spent more time going to the store to buy smokes than I do maintaining my vape :cool:

    and that includes wrapping my own coils and making my own juice ... vaping has easily kept me off cigarettes for over 2 years.

    a simple device like this, costs less than a carton of smokes :smokie:

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    I looked over the instructions several times and didn't see anything about it. When I googled it I found other people have had the same complaint. Thank you for the link though.

    To be fair, I have suspicions it is a knock-off. I ordered it from myvaporstore, who I thought was reputable. There are an abundance of knock-offs online, which is why I think I'm going to stick to b&m's, despite their higher prices :(

    MVS is an authorized dealer and does not sell KangerTech knock off. Your product also comes with Authentication code you can enter here
    tesa connect'n'check
    to check if it is authentic for yourself.
    I really hate seeing people ignorantly slam and make false accusations against a well respected business on a public forum, if you took two seconds to check your products you would know better... to be fair
     

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    Here's the thing.

    You'll flame me. You'll say TL;DR...

    But there's a number of points I need to get off my chest...

    I love vaping, by the way. I still have the occasional analog (crazy term but still). I've recently got into sub-ohm vaping because:

    1. My ....ty ego batts and clearomisers were just, well, crap.
    2. I 'accidentally' bought a Kanger Subox Mini

    So as you see, I never planned for subohm, I just got a box mod as basically a better vaping device, as someone who might upgrade from a Ford Focus to a BMW 3 series.

    Then problems started occurring, which made me realize that for all the bad longevity of the ego, they were, at least, maintenance-free. Now I was trying to fix leaks, taking pieces apart, re-wicking coils. I needed to set aside a mini workshop in my home just for the maintenance. To the forums, I thought. Surely no-one else has to put in this much effort just to vape, right?

    Wrong. You all do, but more surprisingly, you all seem to love it. Rather like if you drive a car, as most of us do, but have little technical knowledge about it, and how we occasionally venture to a car forum. You'll often hear people saying "oh it's the rear axle manifold, but it's easy to do yourself. You just blah, blah, blah". Fine if you have the time, an empty garage, etc, etc. Fine if you love fixing up cars, right.

    But with smoking, I never 'loved' smoking, not the concept at least. I just had to smoke. I didn't go around with paraphanlia dedicated to smoking, prosletyzing ways of keeping tobacco fresher or going to smoking conventions. I just smoked. Now of course 'some' smokers are like this, but the majority aren't.

    Vaping, sadly, is a steep learning curve for the non-initiated, and whereas I expect most of you to disagree with me, I feel there is a silent majority who may stumble across boards like this, read diagrams of how to convert pi's theorum of fibonacci numbers so you get the right balance between 'balancing your ohms' and causing the device to blow a hole in your face (more on that in a bit), that I bet most people who have lives, but who happen to smoke in them, just think, "erm... okay. I think I'll stick with smoking then".

    When I tell friends that I've managed to give up, but talk about RBAs and introducing liquid into Japanese Cotton through a dropper, they glaze over and say "wow, you must really love vaping then". Thing is I don't. I wanted something to replace regular cigarettes, not a 24/7 craft hobby.

    My fear is, even though most of you will vehemently defend your love of tinkering, eternally pursuing that perfect 'hit', I am right in saying that a lot of people will just find it too much effort, that even a working piece of kit will fail after a few weeks unless you learn about maintenance, cleaning and a lot of stuff I could do without.

    Then there's the whole safety thing...

    I preached for months to friends (and even strangers) that were smokers and non-smokers alike, telling them there was this new thing that allowed you to feel like you were smoking but was PERFECTLY SAFE. There were a lot of nay-sayers, let me tell you, but I won through for the most part in that I argued that however bad these eliquids could be, could they really be worse than the contents of a real cigarette (or analog, w/e)?

    Unfortunately it was never the liquid we should have feared. It was the hardware.

    The fundamental problem with all e-cigarettes, the ones that 'do the job' correctly, the flaw that will always be the thorn in it's size.

    ...is China.

    You may call me racist, I have nothing against the Chinese. But let's put the cards on the table. They aren't known globally for their standards. You read stories every day about people dying over there, or being horrifically injured by machinery that has failed or gone awry due to their poor (or non-existant) safety standards.

    All the box mods, it appears, without exception (please someone tell me I'm wrong. PLEASE!) are made in China.

    So then I was on another forum, or maybe it was this one, I don't know, and someone posted a list of e-cigarette accidents...

    Now bear in mind this isn't like "singed an eyebrow" type ..... This is like scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling through events and then realizing you are still in April 2016, casually looking at the scroll bar on the right, not being able to see it, then seeing a pixel-wide line, still close to the top of the screen.

    But not all these incidents are bad, right? For this list to be so long. Right?

    Kinda. It reads sorta like.

    1. 3rd degree burns on leg, scarred for life
    2. 3rd degree burns on arm, scarred for life
    3. Entire front teeth blown out, scarred for life.

    Ah but that's not too bad right

    4. Child loses eye while staff DEMONSTRATE an ecig to him at a mall.

    HE'S NOT EVEN BOUGHT THE ....ING THING YET!

    Aha, but before you rebut, I already know what you're going to say. It will echo the comments that usually follow news stories like this.

    "Ah yeah but I bet he was using a calibrated mechanical with a dripper with a non-compatible 510 without calculating his ohm resistance using pythagoras' equation of Lancelot's Diversion and failed to think about the solar flare activity that day. ....ing noob."

    Yeah he probably was. ....ing noob is right. In fact is there another hobby that people can just wander into, with so many self-proclaimed experts, that can be so cruel to the uninitiated? Failing DIY base-jumping, that is?

    The point I'm trying to make is if vaping now is so fraught with potential danger, and it's necessary to have a certain amount (oh, who are we kidding, quite a reasonable amount) of knowledge about the subject, what not to do, etc, then how can it hope to attract smokers that weren't tobacco-fetishists, you know, the normal, everyday people who just happened to smoke.

    I mean I used to enjoy smoking most when I was drunk. Now I can't dare vape if I'm drunk. What if I need to change a coil mid-way? Well not too much, as I have that 'reasonable' degree of knowledge. But what about first-timers? Maybe those bomb disposal outfits that armies have should come with?

    But the worst thing has to be the elitism I've found amongst the most hard-core vapers on forums. They will offer no sympathy to the uninitiated, and resent people who just want to get on with things without any effort (you know, like regular smoking) and try to either tell them they should invest more of their time to achieve what used to be so simple, and then shunning said questioner if they point out that they don't have the time, the willpower, etc.

    Oh yeah, when I bought my Subox, the site in question said on the order page "this doesn't come with a battery... it needs THIS battery... would you like to buy THIS battery from us as well as the boxmod?"

    I said "sure, why not". It came. I charged it. I used it. Then there was a product recall about two weeks later. "Buy this one from us" they now said. "okay, I said".

    They sent me an E Fest 18650. You know, the kind that are now generally known as being slightly more stable than carrying around a pack of C4 in a bag full of hammers...

    So yeah, had to become an expert in batteries now too. Just so I could scour forums, spend hours on search engines trying to find which battery wouldn't take a limb from me, or knock a six inch hole into my neighbor's house. No really. I'm loving this new hobby.

    In fact I'm looking forward to the next part. Maybe my tanks are leaking because they're plastic? .... it, lemme learn glass blowing and I'll make my own Pyrex ones. Ultimately there'll be no time for anything but this, I may as well quit my job.

    Or, as new initiates will find, simply go back to smoking...
    Witty post with some good points :D Try an Njoy daily, a disposable that's the closest thing to smoking without the hassle I've found yet.
     
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