Why Vaping won't ever convert the masses (of smokers)

[sawlight]

So I try to point out safety concerns, and now I'm trolling? The link is to another vaping site, where vaping-nerds are confused. Yet you guys here know everything, right?

The Ego charging problem has been known about for literally years! I remember all the Hoopla it stirred up back then, "These things aren't safe, they blow up!" and so on! THEN the truth started coming out, people weren't charging them with the supplied charger! But the news agencies didn't want to report that, they wanted to sensationalize the whole thing to create a story.
Seems that might be what's going on with the link you've provided as well.

 

[ENAUD]

So I try to point out safety concerns, and now I'm trolling? The link is to another vaping site, where vaping-nerds are confused. Yet you guys here know everything, right?

You are definitely on to something. Yes, there is a lot of poorly thought out devices and practices in the world of vaping. Sometimes things go badly, and people get hurt. Vapers all be like, hey, it's their own fault because they are stupid, typed smugly from their armchair. Don't worry though, the good guys at the FDA are going to come in and fix all of this for us. They will make sure that only safe vape things will be allowed to be sold in the US. Then it will be all sunshine and unicorn farts for everyone.

 

[crxess]

Just to point out that I'm not being overly paranoid, take a look at this thread
ECITA say that chargers above 500mA are not safe to use for charging your batteries

You are Quoting a Thread discussing a PAGE that is no longer available due to inaccuracies. Click the link - the page is NOT FOUND.

The requested page "/blog/index.php/important-things-to-know-about-battery-safety/" could not be found.

No, you do not charge an EGO above 500mAh. All EGO style Chargers are Designed to accommodate that charge rate.
They are Chargers, not wall adapters and specific in use.
The USB end of the charger can be plugged into any USB 5v power source of any amperage rating 500mAh or higher and work as intended.
It is when the charger is overloaded(current surge)or under powered(load stressed) that the tiny circuitry fails. This in turn can lead to catastrophic failure of the Battery.

This is NOT an e-cig issue. See RC, Mobile Phones, Laptops, Tablets, etc. operating on rechargeable batteries.

Knowledge builds understanding.


Just how silly is this (Trollish) thread going to get?

 

[Lessifer]

I think the point has been made, vaping can be dangerous if you have no idea what you're doing. We don't need more examples of how you or others don't know what you're doing. Take the lesson, learn about what you're using if you want to be safe. Spread that message far and wide.

Vaping can be as safe as YOU make it, and if you don't understand what is meant by that, learn.

ETA: If you want to rely on someone else to make it safe for you, be careful what you wish for.

 

[7sixtwo]

I think the point has been made, vaping can be dangerous if you have no idea what you're doing...

I think it's more accurate to say, "batteries can be dangerous if you have no idea what you're doing". It really has nothing to do with vaping itself.

Idiots misusing batteries and hurting themselves have just provided an (unfortunately) effective way for the ANTZ to convince the ignorant that "vaping is bad, mmmkay."

 

[TheMike21]

If she lived with someone who would keep all her gear charged, buy her juice, replace her coils, and buy her new gear whenever she broke what she was using, I have no doubt she could quit smoking. But none of that is going to happen.

I do all of that for my wife in exchange for her letting me buy whatever I want

 

[devilzrox]

I'm curious then, about box mods, the kind with internal batteries. As they charge via mini usb, then the charge regulator (or w/e it's called) is surely in the unit itself?

As such, why would the output of the wall plug matter, i.e. why couldn't anything greater than a 500mA USB wall plug be used (Coolfire IV instructions specifies using a 'charger' with no greater output than 500mA)

 

[ashes to batteries]

You know, I've been vaping and building for a while, still mostly a NOOB but I pride myself on asking questions, doing research and being very careful. I did not know about the importance of the correct wall wart. I'm actually really glad for this thread!

 

[crxess]

(Coolfire IV instructions specifies using a 'charger' with no greater output than 500mA

Actually you are miss-reading a Minimum recommendation as the Max allowable

Innokin Technology is not responsible for battery and charger explosions, or
malfunctions, due to the use of a low-quality charger. Only use the original Cool
Fire IV Advanced Personal Vaporizer starter kit charger to charge your Cool Fire
IV, We strongly recommend that you always use a high quality 5V 500mA USB
wall charger (CE/UL Certified). The Cool Fire IV is not designed for use with a car
charger, The Cool Fire IV does not come included with a car charger

5V at no less than 500mAh Wall power supply. The Charger is Built-in and AS USUAL Chinese to English or other language translation and meaning, is Damaged.
Wall Power supplies are NOT Chargers.
A Computer USB out put is NOT a Charger.

Knowledge is understanding.

Coolfire IV kit


Mod, Tank, 510 to EGO adapter, USB Cable - NOTE:
The charger is Built in, not included as their Phrasing would suggest. No Wall adapter is included as Terminology might suggest.
This Kit will charge fine on a 5 volt - 1a or 2a wall wart

 

[sawlight]

Yes, the charger is a built in regulator on the board itself.
Why the mains matter is wall warts are regulated to a specific voltage, say 100v to 140v, as long as the power stays in that area, all is fine with the regulation circuitry. Outside of that "safe zone" say a brown out, at 60v, the regulation drops to an unsafe rate, too low voltage, too low current. If it goes above that, say 160v with a spike, it sends the regulation into an overload state and provides too much current and amperage, overcharging the batteries out of the safe zone. A brownout is the best of these scenarios.
All a "wall wart" amounts to is a step down transformer, it takes the input power and drops it down, to the voltage needed. There isn't much protection involved.
The onboard regulation in the box mods will "filter" the input voltage, making sure the output voltage is correct, regardless of the input voltage.
Does that help some?

 

[Lessifer]

I think it's more accurate to say, "batteries can be dangerous if you have no idea what you're doing". It really has nothing to do with vaping itself.

Idiots misusing batteries and hurting themselves have just provided an (unfortunately) effective way for the ANTZ to convince the ignorant that "vaping is bad, mmmkay."

Actually, it probably should have read "anything can be dangerous if you have no idea what you're doing"

 

[Munk]

I'll be the Devil's advocate for a moment (no offense intended, just a common phrase).

We know about battery safety because we're experienced. We know about Ohm's law because we're experienced. We know how to vape simply and easily because we're experienced. That being said, someone who is not experienced doesn't necessarily know how precarious vaping can be, or what options are the easiest/ safest to use -- and because of that, they may not even know that they should be reading up on it before they start vaping.

Hind sight is 20/20, but we were all new to vaping at one point. Even being the research nerd that I am, I too was a little taken back by how much I needed to learn once I stepped into the world of mod boxes. Now, I know that if I want simplicity/safety, I should go with a built-in battery, built-in tank, replaceable bubble pack coils, and get a regulated mod. But I didn't even know to look for those things until after I became more experienced.

The truth is that each facet of vaping, building coils, wicking, battery safety/features, ejuice, mods, atomizers --each one is a topic you could write a novel about. I don't think those new to vaping understand that when they wander into a vape shop for the first time or are browsing stuff online for the first time. It's not that hard for me to understand how someone might accidentally get the wrong combination of equipment and either a) become frustrated by how complicated using their gear is, or b) accidentally hurt themselves without realizing that vaping can be dangerous.

It's not that these people are all dumb, though some might very well be, they just don't know what they don't know.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[crxess]

We know about battery safety because we're experienced. We know about Ohm's law because we're experienced. We know how to vape simply and easily because we're experienced. That being said, someone who is not experienced doesn't necessarily know how precarious vaping can be, or what options are the easiest/ safest to use -- and because of that, they may not even know that they should be reading up on it before they start vaping.

Okay, now include this thought:
You, myself, and every other member/person you discuss as now knowing, once was at point -0-
The only reason any of us is in a different situation than any of the less educated is that we took the time and were interested enough in SAFE Vaping to Ask/learn before proceeding.


4 short years ago I had no clue about Vaping or anything related to vaping, yet I was on a journey to find a way to stop smoking.
Since that humble beginning I have learned everything possible about each change in my vaping style before proceeding, for my safety.

 

[Lessifer]

I'll be the Devil's advocate for a moment (no offense intended, just a common phrase).

We know about battery safety because we're experienced. We know about Ohm's law because we're experienced. We know how to vape simply and easily because we're experienced. That being said, someone who is not experienced doesn't necessarily know how precarious vaping can be, or what options are the easiest/ safest to use -- and because of that, they may not even know that they should be reading up on it before they start vaping.

Hind sight is 20/20, but we were all new to vaping at one point. Even being the research nerd that I am, I too was a little taken back by how much I needed to learn once I stepped into the world of mod boxes. Now, I know that if I want simplicity/safety, I should go with a built-in battery, built-in tank, replaceable bubble pack coils, and get a regulated mod. But I didn't even know to look for those things until after I became more experienced.

The truth is that each facet of vaping, building coils, wicking, battery safety/features, ejuice, mods, atomizers --each one is a topic you could write a novel about. I don't think those new to vaping understand that when they wander into a vape shop for the first time or are browsing stuff online for the first time. It's not that hard for me to understand how someone might accidentally get the wrong combination of equipment and either a) become frustrated by how complicated using their gear is, or b) accidentally hurt themselves without realizing that vaping can be dangerous.

It's not that these people are all dumb, though some might very well be, they just don't know what they don't know.

Just my 2 cents.

You're absolutely right, people don't know what they don't know. Some people will pick up something completely new to them, that probably has some kind of warning label somewhere(like on the charger, or the battery) and say, "Hey, maybe I should see what there is to be warned about." and some people won't. Some people think that the government needs to step in to ensure that there are ample warnings every to let people know that they don't know something. Some people think that the government involvement will do more harm than good.

I believe in personal responsibility, but that's just me.

 

[Munk]

You're absolutely right, people don't know what they don't know. Some people will pick up something completely new to them, that probably has some kind of warning label somewhere(like on the charger, or the battery) and say, "Hey, maybe I should see what there is to be warned about." and some people won't. Some people think that the government needs to step in to ensure that there are ample warnings every to let people know that they don't know something. Some people think that the government involvement will do more harm than good.

I believe in personal responsibility, but that's just me.

As do I (libertarian here) but I'm also a realist. Things that are outwardly dangerous like skydiving only require common sense to recognize the inherent danger (and thus the need for extensive research). Vaping, though, seems quite innocuous on the surface. Not realizing that in depth research is needed is not as surprising with vaping as it would be with something that is blatantly dangerous.

I'm not saying these people are not responsible for their own actions, just that I can understand how easy it could be for the inexperienced to make a severe mistake.

 

[Lessifer]

As do I (libertarian here) but I'm also a realist. Things that are outwardly dangerous like skydiving only require common sense to recognize the inherent danger (and thus the need for extensive research). Vaping, though, seems quite innocuous one the surface. Not realizing that in depth research is needed is not as surprising with vaping as it would be with something that is blatantly dangerous.

I'm not saying these people are not responsible for their own actions, just that I can understand how easy it could be for the inexperienced to make a severe mistake.

It's not really extensive research though.

When I bought my first ego/ce4 it came in a blister pack, on the packaging was a warning that said "only use with the supplied charger" and this was a $15 kit.

 

[Bunnykiller]

one needs to step across the threshold and convert

 

[mcclintock]

Yes, even with a good APV starter kit, you have to want to quit smoking to do it. Vaping just massively ups your chance of success.

I can't believe any vaper would say that. It certainly wasn't true in my case. I had to want to vape, but that was easy from the moment I got an amazing taste. I didn't know how and when it would replace smoking, I just knew I really liked it. Now, if I'd been in any hurry to quit, yes that would have been hard. And certainly there are challenges finding what you like and paying for it, especially when you're still paying for cigs somewhat too, but I don't think that's what you meant.

It really just seems that some never "catch the bug", find something to really like about vaping. Or maybe they just don't see how it's going to replace smoking and pressure to change too fast turns them off. Some seem to have no trouble with the reduced chemical effect of pure nic and vaping, others such as me find it not much of a replacement for smoking. I just sort of gave it a try and let vaping and smoking fight it out for my attentions, and it took a long time, but at times it seemed like it was going to take years. But in the end, the more addictive and powerful option lost out to the one I LIKED more... without effort or withdrawal, because the pull of vaping doesn't come and go like willpower does.

 

[7sixtwo]

I can't believe any vaper would say that. It certainly wasn't true in my case. I had to want to vape, but that was easy from the moment I got an amazing taste. I didn't know how and when it would replace smoking, I just knew I really liked it. Now, if I'd been in any hurry to quit, yes that would have been hard. And certainly there are challenges finding what you like and paying for it, especially when you're still paying for cigs somewhat too, but I don't think that's what you meant.

It really just seems that some never "catch the bug", find something to really like about vaping. Or maybe they just don't see how it's going to replace smoking and pressure to change too fast turns them off. Some seem to have no trouble with the reduced chemical effect of pure nic and vaping, others such as me find it not much of a replacement for smoking. I just sort of gave it a try and let vaping and smoking fight it out for my attentions, and it took a long time, but at times it seemed like it was going to take years. But in the end, the more addictive and powerful option lost out to the one I LIKED more... without effort or withdrawal, because the pull of vaping doesn't come and go like willpower does.

Hmm, this just goes to show how different everyone is and how their approach to starting vaping/quitting smoking differs as well.

I enjoy smoking. If it didn't slowly kill me and cost so damn much, I'd still be happily puffing away on an American Spirit right now.

I became interested in vaping as a nicotine replacement system, so I could quit smoking for the reasons I mentioned, (I'd already tried gums/patches, they didn't work). That's it. If I'd never been a smoker, there's little to no chance I'dve ever vaped a drop of e-juice.

When I switched, that's exactly what it was, one day I ceased smoking entirely and started puffing away like a madman on the simple vape gear I'd just bought. At first, I vaped enough to get nic sick a time or two; whatever it took to keep from smoking.

And it's worked out for me.. which is really the most important thing for most of us. Whatever equipment you use, whatever juice you like, it's all good so long as it helps you to cut down on or quit the coffin nails!

 

[skoony]

The bottom line is once you get your license you can drive any street legal
car you want. However if you want to repair,rebuild or,modify your car, you better
know what you are doing. If you are going to buy gear that is shall we say high
performance and high maintenance the fact that you have a license doesn't
qualify you as an expert driver or mechanic. You must educate yourself.
The state nor the car dealer has no obligation to teach you.
The above analogy is precisely why vaping is not a problem for the vaping
industry nor the government.

Regards
Mike