Why would hospitols ban ecigs?!?!?

[jfjardine02]

E-cigs release vapor containing various chemicals, usually including nicotine, into the air, requiring others to breath it. Even if it is much less harmful and unpleasant than cigarette smoke it should come as no surprise that hospitals ban their use indoors. Even if a hospital didnt have a policy on this yet, you shouldn't be surprised if someone asks you to take it outside.....just as someone might ask you to take it outside if you brought your sound system into the hospital and cranked up the volume (it might not damage any eardrums but other people using the facility dont want to have to listen to your music). The more valid issue possibly worth fighting is where a hospital has a tobacco-free grounds policy and wants to include e-cigs (or snus for that matter). If you are outside the building, and not standing somewhere that people have to walk right past, its hard to argue that your vaping is inconveniencing or harming anyone else....and if it is helping you to stay off traditional cigarettes it is "pro-health".

 

[zoiDman]

What if there were other Long Term Health risks from vaping Besides PG, PG or Nicotine? Such as Vaporizing Food Flavorings, Sweeteners, Colorants. Or something that isn't mentioned much, Hexavalent Chromium.

Would that be reason enough for a Hospital to shield itself from a Lawsuit?

 

[zapped]

E-cigs release vapor containing various chemicals, usually including nicotine, into the air, requiring others to breath it. Even if it is much less harmful and unpleasant than cigarette smoke it should come as no surprise that hospitals ban their use indoors. Even if a hospital didnt have a policy on this yet, you shouldn't be surprised if someone asks you to take it outside.....just as someone might ask you to take it outside if you brought your sound system into the hospital and cranked up the volume (it might not damage any eardrums but other people using the facility dont want to have to listen to your music). The more valid issue possibly worth fighting is where a hospital has a tobacco-free grounds policy and wants to include e-cigs (or snus for that matter). If you are outside the building, and not standing somewhere that people have to walk right past, its hard to argue that your vaping is inconveniencing or harming anyone else....and if it is helping you to stay off traditional cigarettes it is "pro-health".

Vapor from electronic cigarettes and other devices dissipate harmlessly seconds after being breathed into the air.You MIGHT want to do some more research before tossing things out as facts when they arent. Hospitals also routinely release pg into the air as an antibacterial agent.

 

[zoiDman]

Vapor from electronic cigarettes and other devices dissipate harmlessly seconds after being breathed into the air. ...

Do you have a Link to this Information?

 

[M4RKeM4RK]

I doubt that a hospital is going to serve you a beer with your lunch either. It's their facility, and they set their rules.

. Funny you mention it. My hospital has a number of patients who "live" on site so the pharmacy carries alcohol which the doctors can write orders for.

 

[twisted1]

Most hospitals are corporations.
Corporations have officers.
Officers need something to do~ so they make rules.

 

[fwellers]

e-cigs release vapor containing various chemicals, usually including nicotine, into the air, requiring others to breath it. Even if it is much less harmful and unpleasant than cigarette smoke it should come as no surprise that hospitals ban their use indoors. Even if a hospital didnt have a policy on this yet, you shouldn't be surprised if someone asks you to take it outside.....just as someone might ask you to take it outside if you brought your sound system into the hospital and cranked up the volume (it might not damage any eardrums but other people using the facility dont want to have to listen to your music). The more valid issue possibly worth fighting is where a hospital has a tobacco-free grounds policy and wants to include e-cigs (or snus for that matter). If you are outside the building, and not standing somewhere that people have to walk right past, its hard to argue that your vaping is inconveniencing or harming anyone else....and if it is helping you to stay off traditional cigarettes it is "pro-health".

^^^^^bs^^^^^^^
prove it !

 

[jfjardine02]

Vapor from electronic cigarettes and other devices dissipate harmlessly seconds after being breathed into the air.You MIGHT want to do some more research before tossing things out as facts when they arent. Hospitals also routinely release pg into the air as an antibacterial agent.

If you have ever been at a vapors meeting you will know that the vapor doesnt disappear in a few seconds. Sure it "dissipates" but it doesnt disappear. It is still there and other people can smell it. Sure it its not nearly as unpleasant or noticeable as a room full of cigarette smoke, but its still there and perfectly reasonable that other people in a hospital wouldn't want to have to breath your chemicals and flavors. If you want to argue for the right to vape in indoor public places I don't think a hospital is the best place to start. You claim that hospitals pump PG into the air as an antibacterial agent. How much nicotine are they pumping into the air with that?

 

[DC2]

We aren't facing objections based on a lack of education or bad PR from the moniker "e-cigarette." These are the objections:

1) It looks like smoking, even without nicotine in it, so smokers will light up when they see e-cigs being used.
2) It looks like smoking, even without nicotine in it, so it "normalizes" and/or "glamorizes" smoking and we want to denormalize smoking.
3) It is a cool gadget, so kids will try it, become addicted and then "graduate" to smoking real cigarettes.
4) It doesn't end nicotine addiction for most users, so it's just exchanging one addiction for another.
5) Nicotine still has health risks, so those that contain nicotine are still not 100% safe.
6) They are just another insidious way to addict people to nicotine.

And the thing about that is, it doesn't even matter if they believe their own BS or not.
They don't care if their objections are real, only that the sheeple will believe them.

If truth mattered, if health mattered, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
And the people fighting to eliminate electronic cigarettes would instead be recommending them.

 

[zapped]

If you have ever been at a vapors meeting you will know that the vapor doesnt disappear in a few seconds. Sure it "dissipates" but it doesnt disappear. It is still there and other people can smell it. Sure it its not nearly as unpleasant or noticeable as a room full of cigarette smoke, but its still there and perfectly reasonable that other people in a hospital wouldn't want to have to breath your chemicals and flavors. If you want to argue for the right to vape in indoor public places I don't think a hospital is the best place to start. You claim that hospitals pump PG into the air as an antibacterial agent. How much nicotine are they pumping into the air with that?

Nope Ive never been at a vapors meeting jr. ....rolls eyes......youre talking about 20-1600 people all vaping at the same time, of course thats going to linger a bit.

Give me a little bit and Ill link you to the report thats found nothing harmful in vapor from electronic cigarettes.While youre entitled to your opinion please dont go spreading your opinions as facts when you arent as well informed as some of the rest of us.

 

[zapped]

Heres a link to one study Comparison of the effects of e-cigarette vapor... [Inhal Toxicol. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI

And another Latest Studies Confirm E-Cigarette Vapor Safety

And another http://www.redorbit.com/news/technology/1112689895/recent-e-cigarette-health-studies-suggest-that-second-hand-smoke/

Want me to keep going? Or do you still want to act like you know what youre talking about?

 

[DFDF]

PG is also used in some asthma inhalers, so there goes that idea. It would be difficult for BP to justify a ban against PG when they use it all the time in inhaled medicines.

PG without wierd flavoring additives. ___Big___ difference here.

 

[DFDF]

Nope Ive never been at a vapors meeting jr. ....rolls eyes......youre talking about 20-1600 people all vaping at the same time, of course thats going to linger a bit.

Give me a little bit and Ill link you to the report thats found nothing harmful in vapor from electronic cigarettes.While youre entitled to your opinion please dont go spreading your opinions as facts when you arent as well informed as some of the rest of us.

Simple fact is that second hand vape can and does irritate some people. People with especially sensitive allergys to PG or VG and the crap we put in it. For you to state otherwise is just as rediculous, short sighted and self serving.

 

[zoiDman]

From: Comparison of the effects of e-cigarette vapor... [Inhal Toxicol. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI
...
CONCLUSIONS:

For all byproducts measured, electronic cigarettes produce very small exposures relative to tobacco cigarettes. The study indicates no apparent risk to human health from e-cigarette emissions based on the compounds analyzed.
...

"very small" and "no apparent" is the stuff Civil Lawyers Love. They refer to it as "Wiggle Room".

Question: If I'm a patient in a Hospital and develop Chest complications and the patient next to me in my room Vaped while I was in the Hospital, do you think a Lawyer would be willing to sue the Hospital for say $10,000,000 ?

Answer: A Lawyer will sue ANYONE as long as He / She can make a Buck.

 

[runtpacket]

Not all hospitals ban vaping on their premises. As a matter of fact, I've read a few threads where they are even handed to patients who smoke for use inside the hospital.

my hospital let me vape. it was also "approved" by my Dr. "ANYHTING to get you off real cigs is ok with us!"

 

[zapped]

Simple fact is that second hand vape can and does irritate some people. People with especially sensitive allergys to PG or VG and the crap we put in it. For you to state otherwise is just as rediculous, short sighted and self serving.

Just like sooo many people were "deathly allergic" to cigarette smoke too right? If you dont think for a minute that they might have been overdoing it just a tad then theres no help for you.

I try to be courteous most places I go but your allergies and your difficulties arent really my problem, theyre YOURS and shouldnt have to affect me any more than mine do you.

Thats not self serving thats common sense and you taking responsibility for your own problems instead of trying to blame others or have them penalized right beside you cause you think its only fair.

 

[DFDF]

Just like sooo many people were "deathly allergic" to cigarette smoke too right? If you dont think for a minute that they might have been overdoing it just a tad then theres no help for you.

I try to be courteous most places I go but your allergies and your difficulties arent really my problem, theyre YOURS and shouldnt have to affect me any more than mine do you.

Thats not self serving thats common sense and you taking responsibility for your own problems instead of trying to blame others or have them penalized right beside you cause you think its only fair.

This thread is about vaping in a hospital, visiting may not be a luxury for some people. Its not a movie theatre that allows smoking, they can't choose to go somewhere else. So yes, their allergies are not your problem but they are the hospitals and most hospitals are choosing to deal with the problem pro actively. The hospitals decisions now makes this your problem, if you can't wait to vape you'll just have to "deal with it".

I was vaping in the garden center at Lowes and an old snowbird started fake coughing and then walked over to an employee and complained about me smoking ciggarettes inside. I just put it away. Its not really worth my time fighting those kinds of people and really, maybe he was truly coughing, who knows. My girlfriend has reactions to one specific juice and if I vape that one juice in our living room with no fans on it sends her into a tizyy, sneezing, itching, runny nose. You might consider that harmless but I don't.

 

[mikejm]

I wouldn't expect to be able to vape inside a hospital.

Unless it was a psychiatric one. Then I'd expect to drink Harvey Wall Bangers and vape from a j Box while receiving lap dances while my tearful mom apologized for being a bad parent.

 

[Tonytiger1]

Stealth vape. Don't ask don't tell.. Turn the air hole 180 degs no vapor just th.
This thread is getting silly.


Tony

 

[zapped]

This thread is about vaping in a hospital, visiting may not be a luxury for some people. Its not a movie theatre that allows smoking, they can't choose to go somewhere else. So yes, their allergies are not your problem but they are the hospitals and most hospitals are choosing to deal with the problem pro actively. The hospitals decisions now makes this your problem, if you can't wait to vape you'll just have to "deal with it".

I was vaping in the garden center at Lowes and an old snowbird started fake coughing and then walked over to an employee and complained about me smoking ciggarettes inside. I just put it away. Its not really worth my time fighting those kinds of people and really, maybe he was truly coughing, who knows. My girlfriend has reactions to one specific juice and if I vape that one juice in our living room with no fans on it sends her into a tizyy, sneezing, itching, runny nose. You might consider that harmless but I don't.

Its pretty common for new vapers to do that. I would have taken the opportunity to educate both the employee and the snowbird and kept right on vaping. Allowing people to treat you like a smoker is the quickest way to make sure our rights get taken away.

We ARENT smokers and we shouldnt act like them either.

As far as your girlfriends allergies go, they seem to be triggered by a particular flavoring more than anything else and fortunately for you its an easy fix. Still isnt my problem though.

I absolutely HATE to see old fat guys with a hairy back in a thong at the beach but Im not trying to get it banned. My issue, and I dont expect anyone else to deal with it but me.