Why would hospitols ban ecigs?!?!?

[kristin]

i think they dont really want to make people quit smoking. they just want to make them TRY so they go and buy their useless NRT drugs, go back to smoking and then rinse and repeat. later they might need cancer drugs too if BP gets lucky...

Exactly. With all their self-congratulatory reporting about lowering the smoking rate from 22.5% to around 19% since 2002, the NUMBER of smokers is roughly the same! (45.8 million vs. 43.8 million) Think about it - if the number of smokers remains the same but the overall population increases, the PERCENTAGE of the population that smokes goes down. Of course, that would have happened without all of the smoking bans, high taxes and demonization of smokers - but they won't tell the public that so they keep getting their funding for "safe and effective" treatments. Either way, the goal was to be down to 12% by 2010 and they aren't anywhere near that with all of their "effective" policies. Makes you think.

 

[mikejm]

I walked into a public restroom and took a vape. Somebody inside the stall who could not see me coughed.


True story.

They're out there.

 

[zapped]

I walked into a public restroom and took a vape. Somebody inside the stall who could not see me coughed.


True story.

They're out there.

Not to be crude but the sad thing is he was probably taking a dump and had the audacity to complain about vapor. If I had a choice I know which one Id rather smell.

 

[mikejm]

He was not aware of me or what I was doing and he did not complain. He just coughed from behind the closed door.

I just walked out and left.

 

[fwellers]

Nope Ive never been at a vapors meeting jr. ....rolls eyes......youre talking about 20-1600 people all vaping at the same time, of course thats going to linger a bit.

Give me a little bit and Ill link you to the report thats found nothing harmful in vapor from electronic cigarettes.While youre entitled to your opinion please dont go spreading your opinions as facts when you arent as well informed as some of the rest of us.

Simple fact is that second hand vape can and does irritate some people. People with especially sensitive allergys to PG or VG and the crap we put in it. For you to state otherwise is just as rediculous, short sighted and self serving.

Yea? I work with a bunch of people whose diet consists of a lot of garlic and onions. I find it offensive. Maybe we should outlaw those kind of diets. Get real.

 

[fwellers]

He was not aware of me or what I was doing and he did not complain. He just coughed from behind the closed door.

I just walked out and left.

Dude. Sometimes a cough is just a cough.

 

[jfjardine02]

Heres a link to one study Comparison of the effects of e-cigarette vapor... [Inhal Toxicol. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI

And another Latest Studies Confirm E-Cigarette Vapor Safety

And another http://www.redorbit.com/news/technology/1112689895/recent-e-cigarette-health-studies-suggest-that-second-hand-smoke/

Want me to keep going? Or do you still want to act like you know what youre talking about?

I'd still want to act like I know what Im talking about. Thanks.
As many other posters on this thread have acknowledged, it doesnt matter a rats .... whether ecig vapor is less harmful than cigarette smoke, or even if a couple of scientific papers proclaim that its not likely to be harmful, the bottom line is that when people come to a hospital they expect to be able to breath air unpolluted by your stuff. As I already stated, its more akin to someone walking around with their stereo blaring. It isnt about whether it damages eardrums, its about whether ordinary people and those who run hospitals have the right to be able to hear themselves think and breath air without other peoples PG, flavors and nicotine. I think you will find that most people would prefer that right and so vapers in hospitals will be asked to take it outside.

 

[Sa Da Tay]

This is a great discussion about the complex factors and context in which the e-cig issue lives in. While I find some points brought up here (and in other threads) to be more grounded in rationality than others, I not going to further any of the arguments here. What I do want to point out is the indignant, entitled, hostile attitude that some posts on ECF (not just this thread and certainly not everyone here on ECF) suggest. There's a difference between acknowledging the ignorance (not in itself a negatively-connotated word) of most people about e-cigs, and outright questioning the mental capacity of someone who hasn't been educated on the subject or immediately dismissing their concerns as ludicrous. There's a difference between being passionate (and even angry) about pushing e-cig advocacy, and hitting people over the head with your "rights". We can acknowledge the complex uphill battle- social, political, financial- without resorting to calling entities nazis. Because while that may work on this forum, it's not going to get anything positive done in the real world. Kudos though to everyone on this forum that contribute meaningful conversations and constructive points to help deal with the problem.

 

[shatner]

The entitlement generation seems a lot larger than previously thought.

 

[MattB101]

Vaped right in my room after lung cancer surgery. Not right away of course but about 4 days later. Nurse wasn't happy but surgeon said it was ok. He is the one that suggested vaping when I was first diagnosed. Pretty cool guy for a surgical/oncologist.

Sent while sitting on my .... in my living room vaping away!

 

[fwellers]

This is a great discussion about the complex factors and context in which the e-cig issue lives in. While I find some points brought up here (and in other threads) to be more grounded in rationality than others, I not going to further any of the arguments here. What I do want to point out is the indignant, entitled, hostile attitude that some posts on ECF (not just this thread and certainly not everyone here on ECF) suggest. There's a difference between acknowledging the ignorance (not in itself a negatively-connotated word) of most people about e-cigs, and outright questioning the mental capacity of someone who hasn't been educated on the subject or immediately dismissing their concerns as ludicrous. There's a difference between being passionate (and even angry) about pushing e-cig advocacy, and hitting people over the head with your "rights". We can acknowledge the complex uphill battle- social, political, financial- without resorting to calling entities nazis. Because while that may work on this forum, it's not going to get anything positive done in the real world. Kudos though to everyone on this forum that contribute meaningful conversations and constructive points to help deal with the problem.

Or maybe this much negative energy wouldn't exist if the Nazi antz would at least wait until the facts are in instead of rushing to make laws to ban things as a first response.
It's not good form, no matter how you say it to ask people who are on the receiving end of knee jerk discrimination and control, to be 'nice'

 

[DFDF]

This thread is about vaping in a hospital, not a bus stop. I'm just saying.

 

[blondeambition3]

Vapor from electronic cigarettes and other devices dissipate harmlessly seconds after being breathed into the air.You MIGHT want to do some more research before tossing things out as facts when they arent. Hospitals also routinely release pg into the air as an antibacterial agent.

Agreed .... please, let's all try to prevent the proliferation of disinformation & stick to what we 'know' to be true.

If we do disagree, we can at the very least agree to disagree in a civil manner..... can't we?

I promise to

 

[wacdenney]

Actually the original question I posed had nothing to do with vaping in a hospital. I was actually in the parking lot. I really wasn't offended or surprised to be questioned. I had read the sign posted on the door which talked about "smoke free" and "no TOBACCO products". My main point to the post was just dismay at the BS reason given. I was told that "there have been no studies done as to their potential risks or effectiveness". My main point really was just dismay as to why I was given what was clearly a scripted responce rather than the truth. Why not just say "it's because it looks like you're smoking and it's scary" or "It looks like real smoke and it pisses people off and we don't want to have to deal with it". I was also kindof put out by her rude negative attitude when I tried to explain that I wasn't smoking and it wasn't a tobacco product. I gladly put it away, but the whole experience was just kindof a downer.

I'm not opposed to stealth vaping and in fact usually do in public, and I can totally understand a hospital not wanting to have to deal with people who are clearly irrational about smokers. There was simply no need for this ladies attitude. Obviously just because something hasn't been studied is no reason to ban it. Like I said there have been no studies done as to the possible risks or effectiveness of wearing blue baseball caps, but the hospital had not banned wearing them.

It was actually the first time I had ever vaped anywhere that smoking was not allowed. I guess the attitude of the resistance to it was just a little surprising to me.

It also made me consider for the first time that possibly if PV's weren't referred to as an e-cig and didn't look like cigarettess and weren't associated with cigarettes that perhaps the uninformed wouldn't react to them with such a preformed attitude of distain.

 

[fwellers]

There was simply no need for this ladies attitude. Obviously just because something hasn't been studied is no reason to ban it. Like I said there have been no studies done as to the possible risks or effectiveness of wearing blue baseball caps, but the hospital had not banned wearing them.

...... I guess the attitude of the resistance to it was just a little surprising to me.

Exactly how I feel, and when I allow myself to think about it, I get ...... off.

It also made me consider for the first time that possibly if PV's weren't referred to as an e-cig and didn't look like cigarettess and weren't associated with cigarettes that perhaps the uninformed wouldn't react to them with such a preformed attitude of distain.

I don't think so. I think if it were a pretty pink balloon we were sucking on and then blowing out vapor, or a jelly doughnut we took a bite out of and then blew out something that looked like smoke, they would still try and ban our actions. They would figure out quick enough that it was a replacement for cigarettes, and that would be all they need.

It's about Intolerance, willful ignorance and control, with our actions being the subject of it.

 

[sherid]

There's a difference between being passionate (and even angry) about pushing e-cig advocacy, and hitting people over the head with your "rights". We can acknowledge the complex uphill battle- social, political, financial- without resorting to calling entities nazis. Because while that may work on this forum, it's not going to get anything positive done in the real world. Kudos though to everyone on this forum that contribute meaningful conversations and constructive points to help deal with the problem.

If they act like NAZIS, they should be called NAZIS. Allowing people to step on your rights will create an uphill battle. The more you give up, the more they will take from you. As for rights, I intend to keep as many as I can without simply lying down and having them taken from me. What are your suggestions for getting positive things done?

 

[sherid]

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[blebs]

I hate hospitals and don't like doctors. There is a controlling factor that I don't like and a lack of openness.

I am so with you on this statement! They get mad at me for asking to see or get copies of my test results/reports, but tell you what, you find out more by doing that, than by talking to them!

 

[blebs]

Vaped right in my room after lung cancer surgery. Not right away of course but about 4 days later. Nurse wasn't happy but surgeon said it was ok. He is the one that suggested vaping when I was first diagnosed. Pretty cool guy for a surgical/oncologist.

Sent while sitting on my .... in my living room vaping away!

My doc thinks I'm exchanging one addiction for another. While that may be true to a point, vaping has got to be much safer than the chemicals and crap in FSC cigarettes. My hospital has a zero tolerance policy on any type of smoking or vaping. If I can get to the rest room, I'll vape in there. Most times though, I can't get out of bed when hospitalized.

 

[fwellers]

If they act like NAZIS, they should be called NAZIS. Allowing people to step on your rights will create an uphill battle. The more you give up, the more they will take from you. As for rights, I intend to keep as many as I can without simply lying down and having them taken from me. What are your suggestions for getting positive things done?

Exactly. It's easy for them to smile while they are trying to control you and take your rights away. The victim of such "democratic" abuses doesn't usually feel as kindly.