Why YOU should not order from FastTech.

[szot]

Speed...U are so wrong...China does have many American and International companies now that produce quality products that Japan used to..and communism has nothing to do with their business ventures....if U think the Chinese people work in some lil sweatshop making inferior products for a handful of rice then U are grossly mistaken, that's old school mentality....those sweatshops are on the back streets of NYC

American & International Corporations In China-NOTATION- even though this is a very long list of American and other foreign corporations in China,it is certainly not a complete listing. We have only included a few of the names you may recognize.This is a list of companies who either own factories, or have contract factories producing their productsin China. Some of the companies produce 100% of their products there, and others only produce parts,or certain ingredients for their products. The list below is approximately 1% of the actual Corporate list.Companies such as Avon, GE, and AT&T for example, have been in China and manufacturing productsfor 20 to 30 years. Most American consumers simply had no idea. Previously their source was Japan.



American Corporations in China

 

[Pinggolfer]

Speed...U are so wrong...China does have many American and International companies now that produce quality products that Japan used to..and communism has nothing to do with their business ventures....if U think the Chinese people work in some lil sweatshop making inferior products for a handful of rice then U are grossly mistaken, that's old school mentality....those sweatshops are on the back streets of NYC

American & International Corporations In China-NOTATION- even though this is a very long list of American and other foreign corporations in China,it is certainly not a complete listing. We have only included a few of the names you may recognize.This is a list of companies who either own factories, or have contract factories producing their productsin China. Some of the companies produce 100% of their products there, and others only produce parts,or certain ingredients for their products. The list below is approximately 1% of the actual Corporate list.Companies such as Avon, GE, and AT&T for example, have been in China and manufacturing productsfor 20 to 30 years. Most American consumers simply had no idea. Previously their source was Japan.



American Corporations in China

I didn't miss any point. I'm well aware of US companies making there products in China. What do you think is the reason is they are not made any longer in Japan? Could cheap labor be the reason? Besides my point was I'd rather support US vendors then FT.

 

[szot]

I won't say much but you saying the playing field is now level is silly. If it was level the pricing would be somewhat close but it's not. There are only 2 Asian county's which sell quality products Japan and South Korea. China thrives on producting cheap copies of other companies work. Let's not forget China is a communist country with few human rights.

With that said I must purchase e-cig products made in China, however I will purchase those products from US vendors in a attempt to support the economy of the United States.

Thank you

And that's your point I disagree with...their products are not all clones and inferior...even U yourself said U buy India made meds from Walmart instead of CVS ( I don't follow that logic),.....but I'm sure U can buy the same meds from a US pharmaceutical company and pay triple and really support the US economy and Big Business if U really wanted too...but instead U buy from Walmart and an Indian manufacturer to save money like the rest of us..,,,if you're gonna play that Patriotic card, then play it 100% all the time....we all buy from the least expensive and/or most convenient place as possible depending on our finances, and not because of being patriotic....

 

[KurrptSenate]

i really liked the theme of your post up until the 50% mark or so (this can take a few days)

i believe everyone knows the price of admission with FT. You order from them to save money, not because you don't have the patience to save money

 

[Pinggolfer]

And that's your point I disagree with...their products are not all clones and inferior...even U yourself said U buy Chinese made meds from Walmart,.....and I'm sure U can buy the same meds from a US pharmaceutical company and pay triple and really support the US economy if U really wanted too...but instead U buy from Walmart and a Chinese manufacturer to save money like the rest of us..,,,if you're gonna play that Patriotic card, then play it 100% all the time..

Most of Walmarts drugs come from India first of all. Please don't give me the patriotic speech. If you could read I made it very clear I purchase Chinese ecig products but since I live in the USA I buy from USA vendors. Can I make it any simpler? I'm not going to buy from FT no matter how cheap they are.

 

[anavidfan]

Its a give or take from my point of view. If I want something that I dont need ASAP, why not save. I used to hesitate ordering from China, but what makes Fastech different is their great return policy.

Many of the US vendors do all they can to make returns really difficult if at all take it back. All the posts on Fastech regarding DOA or products that break or are damaged, seem to be favorable.

I ordered once from Health Cabin and had problems with items, and it took a week of haggling, explaining etc before they took the item back. It cost me a lot of money to send back an item, so they can send me a replacement. I got the item, but when looking back, the savings were not that great and I still ended up paying double the price than if I would have paid full retail from here in the states.

I have only ordered from Fastech twice now, and so far, really no complains.

 

[pablo_h]

So, here's my question: if I want to be sure I'm getting authentic items, I'm looking for the make AND model listed on FT's site? I see a lot of evod things, but it doesn't say Kanger....so I can assume that those are clones, right?

I'm mainly curious about Kanger stuff like coil heads, and I'm eyeing an Innokin MVP. Part of me wants to just stick with folks I'm already buying from....I'm patient enough, but start getting crazy after so long. Ha!

Yes, If FT mention the brand it's usually authentic. I think all their innokin stuff is authentic.
Most kanger stuff there is poor clones and fakes though. Same for novas and ego.
Sometimes they rip off mech mod manufacturers too (some they say 'style'- like king and chi you, others they just completely rip off like grand vapor brand sentinel and trident and don't even bother saying 'style' or 'clone' etc)

But you're pretty safe buying innokin branded products from them, and some of their clones are ok, just not kangers, novas and egos.

 

[Ref Minor]

With that said I must purchase e-cig products made in China, however I will purchase those products from US vendors in a attempt to support the economy of the United States.

Thank you

Spending $20 at FT and keeping $40 in you wallet keeps more in your local economy than spending $60 at a middleman vendor. If you prefer to give $40 to someone to import your products and reduce your wait time then fine, but you can't use the patriotic card to justify it. However you look at it, $40 left in your wallet to spend locally is as local as it gets.

 

[Pinggolfer]

Spending $20 at FT and keeping $40 in you wallet keeps more in your local economy than spending $60 at a middleman vendor. If you prefer to give $40 to someone to import your products and reduce your wait time then fine, but you can't use the patriotic card to justify it. However you look at it, $40 left in your wallet to spend locally is as local as it gets.

You work for FT? I don't care where you spend your money. I really don't need a financial adviser telling me what I'll save. I just won't buy from FT end of story.

 

[Ref Minor]

You work for FT? I don't care where you spend your money. I really don't need a financial adviser telling me what I'll save. I just won't buy from FT end of story.

No, I don't work for FT, you started the story by coming into the FastTech subforum and commenting, if you have no intent of ever ordering from them then that is strange behaviour. By posting in this particular public forum you open yourself to responses that disagree with you, that is no excuse to accuse people of working for FT and so posting here against the site TOS.

 

[Pinggolfer]

You started the tread to boast about FT and used the title to make your thread stand out. You have the low down on FT as if you have a interest in the company. Now you have to take the good and the bad. Not what you expected is it?

 

[szot]

It was designed to be a sticky, I sent a request to a mod to sticky it as soon as I posted it. Far too much complaining from people about shipping times, it's best if folks understand what is involved before they make the decision to purchase.

I think this post explains exactly the purpose of this thread..and the fact that the mods made it a sticky further enhances its intent to explain what Fasttech is all about and the process and time involved when deciding to use FT or not..

 

[Dusty_D]

Speedracer12, I'd recommend that you walk away from this thread.

 

[szot]

FastTech has some good and bad points...

on the positive side it has great prices, large selections, great refund policy, free shipping, and a US Miami location for simple returns for US people..

and the negative side, FT is located in China where most all Ecigs come from and is halfway around the world, so shipping may be lengthy along with customs screenings...

So each individual must decide for themselves which is more important to them, fast delivery or cheap prices...but FT cannot provide both due to its geographical location...so the choice is yours....plain and simple

 

[pablo_h]

I think that's a bit too simple, not everyone here is in the USA. Their refund policy isn't too great when you don't have a local collection point for mailing returns to. Also some of their products are poor quality knock offs (edit: I'm not against clones, just against poor quality junk ones), so you aren't getting the same thing for a lower price all the time, you're just getting cheap inferior stuff at a price more than what those inferior items are worth.

I use them a lot though. Innokin are good from there, some RDAs and clone mech mods are good from there.
Batteries, coil heads, kangers, novas, chargers, cartos, juice etc, get elsewhere even if it cost a little more.

Strange thing is, the fake brands and products they sell that are the worst, are often the ones closer priced to good local suppliers. There's no rule in general to sort the good stuff there from the junk. Just don't assume everything there is the best value and do some homework before ordering. Anyway with free shipping, you don't even have to order everything at once, so just research the definite bargains, get them, and then think about what's close enough in pricing or better guaranteed not to be low quality knockoff from local sellers and buy those items from the local suppliers instead.

 

[szot]

Their return policy even pays for the shipping back, what more could U want?...how is that not great?..nobody else does that..

Their clones...U can see their pics and read all their reviews before U buy...what more do U want them to do?...what site has a better way?...what site has better exact same clones for a cheaper price?...all clones are not created equal, so U may find a better made clone but U will pay triple the cost of FT..

I buy their juices , Dekang etc and its excellent and cheaper than other places....I buy their batteries, coils, heads, chargers, and never had 1 problem or found a place any cheaper...but I have bought clones and various hardware from US vendor online sites and B&M shops and paid triple and had to return them and pay the return shipping as well...also many US places don't do warranties unless its DOA, and have no 30-45 day warranty like FT does on many products...

There are a few US sites I recommend like MBV for good liquids at cheap prices, and Discount vapors for well made clone hardware, but then again U pay much more at DV...the B&M shops, I really don't like...I find that most are unaware of their own products, offer no help or even a sample of a liquid to try, and remind me of car salesmen trying to pick your pocket for anything they can get out of it..most I have seen are just blindly selling a popular product now and jumping in looking to take your money.....I'd rather buy from online vendors, FT and USA, and save my money to spend on other things rather than give it to some get rich quick new entrepreneur B&M shop..

heck, even at walmart, most products are 30-50% cheaper if U order online from walmart.com site and use their ship to store option, rather than just going to the store and buying it outright..I just bought a boat cover for $69 online there, but in the store it was $129..

 

[Maggiemw]

As Szot, Ref and other good guys have said, do your market research and keep your expectations realistic.

I personally am more than happy with the stuff I have been able to get from FT. I trust them to tell me if something is genuine or a clone, and they do. If I want to try a generic something, or a clone, I'll buy just one of it. If I like it, I'll get more, if I don't, well, the investment was minimal and the learning experience invaluable.

I will admit that the last 6 weeks of shipping problems with HKP and SGP have made reading the FT threads kind of annoying, to put it mildly. I totally understand people waiting for news of their packages when the said packages got shipped in September, but there are also people complaining that they had to wait 10 days or 2 weeks to get their stuff....as if FT were next door and nothing was happening that FT couldn't prevent.

People, FT is not responsible for tracking issues.

People, being polite and linguistically clear with FT's CS is probably a really good idea. Bombarding them with tickets is not the most productive way to go about it.

YMMV.

 

[pablo_h]

Their return policy even pays for the shipping back, what more could U want?...how is that not great?..nobody else does that..

Their clones...U can see their pics and read all their reviews before U buy...what more do U want them to do?...what site has a better way?...what site has better exact same clones for a cheaper price?...all clones are not created equal, so U may find a better made clone but U will pay triple the cost of FT..

You have to sign a declaration for airmail here that states there is no dangerous goods you're mailing. Batteries are dangerous goods by the rules so I can't return any faulty ones. I'd be risking fines or prosecution returning faulty batteries.
It would be much easier if I could return batteries to a local depot with road mail. We don't have that option.

As far as clones, I'd like the 510 thread on a clone ego battery to be the same as the 510 thread on a clone nova thanks. They are not!

Some things at fasttech are good, some isn't, that was my point.
Sorry for the tone, but you seem to be missing the point by a mile (there's no walmart here and never will be so keep to the retailer being discussed please).

E: BTW my first order at fasttech (which included dodgey stuff) was in early August and took 3 weeks to get here.
I've get 3 outstanding orders made since early Sept that still haven't arrived (early Sept, mid Sept, and 1st Oct). And no batteries in them either because I don't trust them for that any more.

 

[Smokke]

You can use the FT tracking number on HK post and Singapore post sites before it hits USPS. I just add the tracking number to an iPhone app and it updates me whenever the status changes.

What is the name of the app you use? That would be nice to have!

 

[Smokke]

And I prefer to support my own finances rather than pay someone to order stuff from China for me, it's good that we all have options and can do our own thing.

sorry, I replied to the wrong post.