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Where the silicone contact causes problems is that the resistance wire makes contact with the silicone causing a hot spot. If not dry-burned, as is impossible with organic wick, this fact in of it's self may reduce this problem.
What does work is to twist in no resistance wire at the coil ends so that when the wick is wrapped, the heated portion of the coil is in contact only with the wick. An added benefit of this method is the wire end of the coil now being two wires twisted together makes better contact and is easier to get into place because it is stiffer. Then just be sure to slide the silicone connector away from the coil a bit, and it can no longer be heated enough to scorch.
What I do is after twisting on side, I place the wire in a paper towel, then use my ohm meter to measure exactly the resistance I want the coil to be and mark by bending the wire at that point. Then use that mark to start the twist in point of the no resistance wire.
What does work is to twist in no resistance wire at the coil ends so that when the wick is wrapped, the heated portion of the coil is in contact only with the wick. An added benefit of this method is the wire end of the coil now being two wires twisted together makes better contact and is easier to get into place because it is stiffer. Then just be sure to slide the silicone connector away from the coil a bit, and it can no longer be heated enough to scorch.
What I do is after twisting on side, I place the wire in a paper towel, then use my ohm meter to measure exactly the resistance I want the coil to be and mark by bending the wire at that point. Then use that mark to start the twist in point of the no resistance wire.
Big Screen I don't think I ever asked you this (maybe I did) what no resistance wire do you use?
Its strange but it seems like I've had an easier time finding random items than some insulated wire locally. All home depot has is massive spools of 14 gauge lol
Its strange but it seems like I've had an easier time finding random items than some insulated wire locally. All home depot has is massive spools of 14 gauge lol
I use uninsulated silver wire. iAtty No Resistance Wire - Silver
COV is sold out. Wonder why? lol Should be able to find it elsewhere I'd think.
Great ideas!
You are definitely right about the hot spot and I'm convinced that this is the source of the off flavor. The smell on the discolored area of the silicon is definitely what I am tasting.
Looking to scrounge up some no resistance wire now and test it out...
I think what happens also is the exposed resistance wire gets much hotter than the wrap itself. So from time to time, a bit of juice/condensation finds it's way to that part of the coil and adds a burnt flavor for a bit. Pretty easy to see this in action when performing a dry burn on one with the wick still damp. The ends of the coil, as expected, between the wick and the silicone glows red long before the wick is dried off enough to get all of the coil to glow.
Ok here's where I'm at with Heidi:
I employed Big Screen D's tips and tricks and got much better results.
Adding the no resistance wire (the piece I used was actually .08 ohms) severely diminished the burning silicon taste. I still do detect some especially at higher voltages but not nearly as much. Ultimately getting rid of the silicon altogether will eliminate all traces of that but easier said than done with this configuration.
My current configuration is reading 2.0 ohms and it's rocking with flavor at 3.8V.
The braided gauze wick is wicking as fast as I can hit it - no burning whatsoever. Just went through a mil of juice chain vaping. Even when the tank is dry the wick is so sponged up it keeps it going steady.
Some notes before I forget:
-Twisting the no resistance wire into the coil is best done prior to wrapping the coil - start wrapping the coil in the opposite direction from where the coil wire meets the no resistance wire. I was able to get 5 nice wraps around the wick without over extending the coil. This way the negative connection will only make contact with the no resistance wire and you won't have the issue of the silicon touching the coil wire and getting too hot.
-Definitely wrap the coil around the wick - braiding it inside the wick was harsh as in really harsh. I like a good TH but this was way too much.
So in conclusion (for now) my experience has proven to me that gauze can certainly be used as wicking material and does the job just as good if not better than any other medium I've used. I also believe it to be a very safe medium - it is super clean and does not burn at all when moist.
For me this is a very effective and cost efficient method for re-wicking and modifying existing configurations to perform better.
Many thanks to Cyrus Vap for the concept and Big Screen D for the tips and tricks!
Experimentation will continue...
Vape On!
I employed Big Screen D's tips and tricks and got much better results.
Adding the no resistance wire (the piece I used was actually .08 ohms) severely diminished the burning silicon taste. I still do detect some especially at higher voltages but not nearly as much. Ultimately getting rid of the silicon altogether will eliminate all traces of that but easier said than done with this configuration.
My current configuration is reading 2.0 ohms and it's rocking with flavor at 3.8V.
The braided gauze wick is wicking as fast as I can hit it - no burning whatsoever. Just went through a mil of juice chain vaping. Even when the tank is dry the wick is so sponged up it keeps it going steady.
Some notes before I forget:
-Twisting the no resistance wire into the coil is best done prior to wrapping the coil - start wrapping the coil in the opposite direction from where the coil wire meets the no resistance wire. I was able to get 5 nice wraps around the wick without over extending the coil. This way the negative connection will only make contact with the no resistance wire and you won't have the issue of the silicon touching the coil wire and getting too hot.
-Definitely wrap the coil around the wick - braiding it inside the wick was harsh as in really harsh. I like a good TH but this was way too much.
So in conclusion (for now) my experience has proven to me that gauze can certainly be used as wicking material and does the job just as good if not better than any other medium I've used. I also believe it to be a very safe medium - it is super clean and does not burn at all when moist.
For me this is a very effective and cost efficient method for re-wicking and modifying existing configurations to perform better.
Many thanks to Cyrus Vap for the concept and Big Screen D for the tips and tricks!
Experimentation will continue...
Vape On!
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Well it looks like a trip to Walgreen's is on tap. I just have to give this a try.
Make sure you read the label. A lot of gauze is a polyester blend. I only found one brand today by Qurad that specifically stated 100% cotton. Obviously if a single strand is not stretchy like polyester, it's cotton. You can hold the two side by side and obviously tell what it is.
Off topic a bit but I also noticed that the black tip pushing down on the silicone when twisting it on tight threw off the taste too, so I took my dremmel and just zipped off 1/8" off the end of the black tip, now it doesnt push down tight on the silicone piece, just wanted to throw that out there.
Good point to note!
The one I got said cotton - latex free.
I would definitely say it's a safer bet to go with cotton.
Thanks for the info!
So I braided up a nice wick, startle style ( 
) and rigged a CE2 with it
Its behaving kind of strange! First hit is plumes of vapor. Second hit less. Third hit less. Fourth hit steam.
Then I let it sit for a while and it all starts again.
The only thing I can think of is maybe it's OVER wicking and flooding the coil (rather than underwicking). It is kind of thick.The reason I say this is because when I get down to steam only I can hear gurgling. I'm going to have to try this again with super narrow strands of gauze.
) and rigged a CE2 with itIts behaving kind of strange! First hit is plumes of vapor. Second hit less. Third hit less. Fourth hit steam.
Then I let it sit for a while and it all starts again.
The only thing I can think of is maybe it's OVER wicking and flooding the coil (rather than underwicking). It is kind of thick.The reason I say this is because when I get down to steam only I can hear gurgling. I'm going to have to try this again with super narrow strands of gauze.
So I braided up a nice wick, startle style (
Its behaving kind of strange! First hit is plumes of vapor. Second hit less. Third hit less. Fourth hit steam.
Then I let it sit for a while and it all starts again.
The only thing I can think of is maybe it's OVER wicking and flooding the coil (rather than underwicking). It is kind of thick.The reason I say this is because when I get down to steam only I can hear gurgling. I'm going to have to try this again with super narrow strands of gauze.
Sounds like it may be woven too tightly or possibly too thick and flooding.
I started out with roughly .25 inch strands - maybe slightly wider like an eighth or two.
Twirl them and give em a little stretch to hold shape - do this about 5 times each or so as necessary. They will start to expand a little while weaving but that is a good thing - ends up making a nice uniform braid. Also tie up the ends with twirled strands about half the width of the ones you made the braid with. Trim off excess ect...
Vape On!
I did just as you described sir!
I have one going in my stardust, wired to 2.3 ohms. I'm hitting it on a regulated 3.7V batt. Its wicking a ton better in the stardust (and this wick is THICKER than the one in the CE2) probably because the slots are more accomodating
But I have to say I'm getting some interesting "dry hits" now and then, that don't taste like 'dry hits' from silica. I think there is some cotton scorch happening.
But I dunno, I may be full of it. Haven't used a stardust in a while, and this could just be random silicon burn hits. I did pull up on the coil/wick assembly and have a nice space between it and the silicon, but maybe...
Stardusts are really great, but so 2nd place to a properly modded fluxomizer IMO
Also discovered something interesting about stardust rewiring, but I'll take it 'over there' as I don't want to rabbit trail things further.
I have one going in my stardust, wired to 2.3 ohms. I'm hitting it on a regulated 3.7V batt. Its wicking a ton better in the stardust (and this wick is THICKER than the one in the CE2) probably because the slots are more accomodating
But I have to say I'm getting some interesting "dry hits" now and then, that don't taste like 'dry hits' from silica. I think there is some cotton scorch happening.
But I dunno, I may be full of it. Haven't used a stardust in a while, and this could just be random silicon burn hits. I did pull up on the coil/wick assembly and have a nice space between it and the silicon, but maybe...
Stardusts are really great, but so 2nd place to a properly modded fluxomizer IMO
Also discovered something interesting about stardust rewiring, but I'll take it 'over there' as I don't want to rabbit trail things further.
Found this at Michaels in NYC:
Strands are a bit thin but I can just double or triple up for a coil. Anyone see anything wrong with using this? It says 100% bamboo in multiple places and it is just bleached white.
Strands are a bit thin but I can just double or triple up for a coil. Anyone see anything wrong with using this? It says 100% bamboo in multiple places and it is just bleached white.
No problems. If you're nervous about anything left over on the thread, a quick boil followed by an alcohol soak should do the trick. Its easier if you tie the ends in a knot before boiling to keep the string together. Three braided strands of that should work nicely.
Found this at Michaels in NYC:
Strands are a bit thin but I can just double or triple up for a coil. Anyone see anything wrong with using this? It says 100% bamboo in multiple places and it is just bleached white.
Seems that should work well. I'm vaping one of the new long wicked "Stardust" that Discount Vapers have in now, and it uses four small diameter wicks that look just about that size.
Well that's great news then!
Also please post a link to the stardust rewiring tips and tricks so I can check that out.
As for the dry hits could be a number of things - coil tightness, silicon, juice consistency, silicon, battery, silicon, ect...
At the very least you proved that cotton gauze can be used as a wicking medium given the proper modifications and implementations. This very well may come in handy some day...
The CEs of the world are definitely great innovations and paving the way for better things to come - and I feel they will be coming real soon...
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