Will DNA20/DNA30 mods render mech mods obsolete?

[Un5tab1e]

It needs to to do what the other person wants. Maybe the other person had different tastes than you.
I own a vision twist, lavatube and a mini provari. Still I purchased a REO that I'm awaiting to arrive in the mail.
My opionion is to each they're own. Never will one mod or one type of mod be what everyone wants.

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[Zippoz]

I think that if mechs continue to get cheaper as they have, they will stay for a while. Nice and simple... Safety isn't really an issue if you know what you are doing, and that isn't very hard to learn. That said, with the current price of mechs in general, I'm not very interested in one. I really don't want to pay 100-300 bucks for a mod that has 1 circuit. Sorry, but I just don't believe it is worth the coin. On the cheaper front, I might get a k100 someday, but I'm a little hesitant because it doesn't keep a steady voltage, so it wouldn't really be practical to take out of the house. And when it's kicked, I'd have to open the thing and fiddle with it all the time.

 

[cerver7]

Mechs are here to stay. They can be easily fixed, do not require electronically skilled repairs and can do anything you need...with in reason.

The DNA devices will reign supreme as they are more user friendly IMO and "look cool" due to the screen and the different designs you see manufactures making them in.

Too each his own

 

[Thrasher]

I don think the dna will become the hit everyone thinks unless mod makers can either produce a steady supply of mods or drop the prices under 200 bucks.

And i tend to agree with Busardo on his point - it is a great chip but it wont take much to dethrone it becuase it does have some limitations true regulated VW/VV dont have.

all i know is i own all kinds of mods. VW, VV, mechs, and i still enjoy dropping my geni on a mech, toss in a battery and nothing to worry about for the next 15 hours.

but I'm a little hesitant because it doesn't keep a steady voltage, so it wouldn't really be practical to take out of the house. And when it's kicked, I'd have to open the thing and fiddle with it all the time.

depends on the atty but if you build the coil right you dont really notice until the battery needs to be changed, and if your always adjusting i don't think VW, let alone a kick is for you anyways. only time i ever adjust the kick is initial set up. once i find the setting i want i dont touch it anymore - why would you have to?

 

[Sigmus9]

that's a good point

 

[Zippoz]

I don think the dna will become the hit everyone thinks unless mod makers can either produce a steady supply of mods or drop the prices under 200 bucks.

And i tend to agree with Busardo on his point - it is a great chip but it wont take much to dethrone it becuase it does have some limitations true regulated VW/VV dont have.

all i know is i own all kinds of mods. VW, VV, mechs, and i still enjoy dropping my geni on a mech, toss in a battery and nothing to worry about for the next 15 hours.

depends on the atty but if you build the coil right you dont really notice until the battery needs to be changed, and if your always adjusting i don't think VW, let alone a kick is for you anyways. only time i ever adjust the kick is initial set up. once i find the setting i want i dont touch it anymore - why would you have to?

Idk, I'm ADD I guess. I love just pushing buttons all the time and changing settings... Sometimes I want a FAT vape, and sometimes I want a medium vape. Taking apart the mod all the time to change that would be irritating sometimes. It would be cool if I didn't notice the discharge for 15 hours, though.

 

[suspectK]

I want to revive this thread, mainly with the safety comparison..

I have an MVP, and I've heard mixed things with the short circuit protection. So I built a 1ohm coil, and I kept bumping up the voltage. It's suppose to cutoff at 3.5amps. I was using this 1ohm coil at 5volts. 5amps, and it never shutoff.

If I was using a mech, or any other PV that I use separate batteries with, I'd know the continuous rating of the battery. I can't find information on this battery, so I don't know if that is safe or not.. I'd venture to guess, with the amount of people that have this similar experience with the MVP, none of them have real protection.

This isn't an issue with the MVP either. There are many PVs that you are playing with fire with, when thinking this protection will keep you from making a pipe bomb. I didn't trust short circuit protection to begin with. Now, I know not to even consider it. I'll stick with battery ratings...

 

[Sigmus9]

I want to revive this thread, mainly with the safety comparison..

I have an MVP, and I've heard mixed things with the short circuit protection. So I built a 1ohm coil, and I kept bumping up the voltage. It's suppose to cutoff at 3.5amps. I was using this 1ohm coil at 5volts. 5amps, and it never shutoff.

If I was using a mech, or any other PV that I use separate batteries with, I'd know the continuous rating of the battery. I can't find information on this battery, so I don't know if that is safe or not.. I'd venture to guess, with the amount of people that have this similar experience with the MVP, none of them have real protection.

This isn't an issue with the MVP either. There are many PVs that you are playing with fire with, when thinking this protection will keep you from making a pipe bomb. I didn't trust short circuit protection to begin with. Now, I know not to even consider it. I'll stick with battery ratings...

I'm with ya. I didn't start this thread with the intent on trolling mech mod users. I truly understand the appeal and if I had the cash to throw down I'd love to get a nice one with a Kick and a kick .... dripper to keep on my coffee table but that's just right now. Speaking for myself safety is priority number 1. If I had a task I needed to perform and I had a choice of tools that were the same price but one was more prone to malfunction without danger while the other had a lesser risk of malfunction but when it does malfunction it has a chance of to fail catastrophically possibly blowing my fingers and face off, well I would wonder why anyone wouldn't err on the side of caution.

 

[Ryedan]

I mostly agree with you Sigmus9.

For me, a 30 watt device is not enough to make me give up my mechs. 50 watts is though and these are starting to hit the market now. The Duke is selling for about $140 I think. And it's not that I vape at 50 watts, I just want headroom to pulse out shorts and to be able to run at say 30 watts and know the device is not being pushed to the max.

I use a KTS, a K100 and I just got a Chemesis. I've had the K100 since March and it's been through the ringer. Dropped it a few times, damaging a battery once. Moved the 510 connector a few times and fixed it. I clean and lube it monthly and it just keeps humming along. Plus, if I ever need to, I can use it to defend myself with without worrying about it or the cost if it does get trashed. There are only a few mods out there at any cost that I feel are this tough.

Once I can buy a tough, reasonably inexpensive 50 watt regulated mod I'll very likely switch. I think at that point many new vapers will go that route instead of sub-ohm on a mech and many experienced vapers will switch slowly. Vape gear is changing quickly. Assuming no major restrictive regulatory changes happen, IMO the vape scene will be quite different in a year.

 

[Fulgurant]

I want to revive this thread, mainly with the safety comparison..

I have an MVP, and I've heard mixed things with the short circuit protection. So I built a 1ohm coil, and I kept bumping up the voltage. It's suppose to cutoff at 3.5amps. I was using this 1ohm coil at 5volts. 5amps, and it never shutoff.

Are you sure it was actually delivering 5 volts?

PBusardo's chart

According to the chart, the MVP won't go beyond 3.3 volts on a 1 ohm coil, which corresponds to 3.3 amps and ~10.9 watts. I wouldn't be too worried about blowing myself up, but if you tested the output in your experiment I'll welcome your correction.

 

[turbocad6]

I mostly agree with you Sigmus9.

For me, a 30 watt device is not enough to make me give up my mechs. 50 watts is though and these are starting to hit the market now. The Duke is selling for about $140 I think. And it's not that I vape at 50 watts, I just want headroom to pulse out shorts and to be able to run at say 30 watts and know the device is not being pushed to the max.

I use a KTS, a K100 and I just got a Chemesis. I've had the K100 since March and it's been through the ringer. Dropped it a few times, damaging a battery once. Moved the 510 connector a few times and fixed it. I clean and lube it monthly and it just keeps humming along. Plus, if I ever need to, I can use it to defend myself with without worrying about it or the cost if it does get trashed. There are only a few mods out there at any cost that I feel are this tough.

Once I can buy a tough, reasonably inexpensive 50 watt regulated mod I'll very likely switch. I think at that point many new vapers will go that route instead of sub-ohm on a mech and many experienced vapers will switch slowly. Vape gear is changing quickly. Assuming no major restrictive regulatory changes happen, IMO the vape scene will be quite different in a year.

I agree 100% with this, even the most die hard mech fan today will eventually see the benefit of electronic switching and regulation eventually when it is no longer a limitation, at that point it will only be a performance enhancement.

 

[Sigmus9]

Wow. I haven't even considered a 50W system! What's next? Vaping at 400 Watts - YouTube

 

[turbocad6]

I'm designing and building a regulated and adjustable 100 watt unit for myself, draw is up to 20 amps... not because I need or want anything near that high, but just so the unit I build will have no practical limitations at all. 50 is even enough for just about anyone, what 50 watt mods are there??

 

[suspectK]

I want to revive this thread, mainly with the safety comparison..

I have an MVP, and I've heard mixed things with the short circuit protection. So I built a 1ohm coil, and I kept bumping up the voltage. It's suppose to cutoff at 3.5amps. I was using this 1ohm coil at 5volts. 5amps, and it never shutoff.

Are you sure it was actually delivering 5 volts?

PBusardo's chart

According to the chart, the MVP won't go beyond 3.3 volts on a 1 ohm coil, which corresponds to 3.3 amps and ~10.9 watts. I wouldn't be too worried about blowing myself up, but if you tested the output in your experiment I'll welcome your correction.

Good point.. Only had a scope here, so I was too lazy to break it out when I did that, but I just put a .8ohm piece of wire on it. At the any setting, it was only pushing ~2.867volts. You win.

 

[turbocad6]

all that fancy stuff is all more stuff to go wrong, especially oled screens, soon as they get wet in any they are shot, why anyone is using these in mods is beyond me.

I don't get this, didn't you just receive the futura that you bought which is a dna20 mod???

 

[tj99959]

I agree 100% with this, even the most die hard mech fan today will eventually see the benefit of electronic switching and regulation eventually when it is no longer a limitation, at that point it will only be a performance enhancement.

Just because I'm a die hard mechanical user, doesn't mean that I'm not also a die hard VV or VW user. There are many of us that are "bi-polar" vapors, and use both.

Again; my reasoning for getting a mechanical in the first place was that I wanted a PV that would still work even if hell froze over. (and the FDA may still make that happen) It then of course became prudent to learn how to get what I wanted from a PV out of a mechanical.
The end result of that is that I now know how to get the vape I want out of anything that is available.

 

[doots]

no.................. Ill keep my Reos forever!

 

[Ryedan]

no.................. Ill keep my Reos forever!

I hear ya, but, do you mean your mechanical Reo or your regulated Reo

 

[vap0r1ze]

Plus, if I ever need to, I can use it to defend myself with without worrying about it or the cost if it does get trashed.

Haha, Yes!
But seriously, there will always be a market for mechs. For the outdoors type or people that need a tough mod that can handle the daily tumble (people working construction, in military and those who need those panasonic toughbooks).
If dna20/30 can get cheaper than mechs then I can see mechs eventually fading out. But then again mech clones are getting so crazy scary good and cheaper at the same time...

 

[turbocad6]

panasonic toughbook is a good comparison, could always go the mech way though and just use a pad and pencil

vv vw doesn't have to be frail and not durable. a vv vw can be built to be tough and shock proof and even water proof... we're still in the infancy stages here, eventually electronic will be good enough to satisfy all but the most die hard mech lovers and be durable and reliable, eventually

I started with mechs and still have and use mechs but find that daily, my go to winds up being the electronic over the mech... I actually find the electronics to be more reliable because no contact issues to deal with...