Windows and Lungs

[HauntedMyst]

So what gives...film on the window, what's in the lungs?

I can't answer your question but I think I just hit upon an idea to make some money! I'm going to develop a set of dark dyed super sticky film juices and employ some of those sticker still on the brim, hat cocked sideways, baggy pants and tribal tattoo wearing, wish they were street thugs but come from the middle class suburbs, huge cloud blowing vapers to temporarily tint car windows! I'll work with car washes to make it an option. When you roll up to get your car washed, my boys will walk out, one had holding up their pants and one hold their mod, they will get in and vape fog the car till the windows are the right color as it rolls through the wash. When you want to change colors, just go back to the car wash! The thing is, I won't have to pay them much, just hand out a new clone atomizer and some juice at the end of the week and they will be happy! It's a million dollar idea! HauntedMyst - Patent Pending.

 

[sonicbomb]

Glass is impermeable so the film sits on the surface, light passing through it makes the film highly visible. Lungs are permeable living tissue that absorbs it and then your body metabolizes it.
When I first left school I cleaned cars for a living. Cleaning the inside of windows of a car that has been smoked in was an education in the kind of filth that smoking puts in your lungs. A strong solvent is required to remove it.

Inhaling anything other than fresh air inadvisable, but as harm reduction goes vaping is a pretty neat alternative.

 

[RipCigs]

I always felt like high vg juices cause me to build up phlegm, which i naturally coughed up when i felt it. Thought that was the same stuff forming the film on windows, but that's just my layman guess.
On the other hand I'm very active in sports and I can tell you the difference i feel in my lungs after a year of vaping vs smoking is night and day, so I'm not worried about it. It's either absorbed as sugar water or coughed up, either way my lungs are happy(er).

 

[AndriaD]

The windows in my small apartment are prone to getting coated with what I assume is a VG film, the byproduct of vaping and filling the place with plumes of vapor. Seriously, sometimes it looks like a London fog in my apartment, and every three days I need to clean the windows.

So, I just want to be able to wrap my head around this...what's happening in my lungs? My body absorbs the "film", is that correct? I don't feel like my lungs are coated with anything, no respiration troubles at all after 18 months of vaping, especially compared to the respiratory mess I was when I smoked.

So what gives...film on the window, what's in the lungs?

The film is in your lungs too, you just don't feel it -- but if I vape more than about 15% VG, I definitely feel it, and it feels like a hairball in there that I can't get rid of. PG is thin enough that my lungs can get rid of it fast enough that I never notice it.

I've thought that the reason I notice VG in my lungs is because I have asthma, but other asthmatics have said that they can't vape PG at all, they have to vape VG, so I dunno.

Andria

 

[Atchafalaya]

Glass is impermeable so the film sits on the surface, light passing through it makes the film highly visible. Lungs are permeable living tissue that absorbs it and then your body metabolizes it.
When I first left school I cleaned cars for a living. Cleaning the inside of windows of a car that has been smoked in was an education in the kind of filth that smoking puts in your lungs. A strong solvent is required to remove it.

Inhaling anything other than fresh air inadvisable, but as harm reduction goes vaping is a pretty neat alternative.

I wish they would do a test with vape. It would be very interesting to see the results.

 

[Atchafalaya]

The film is in your lungs too, you just don't feel it -- but if I vape more than about 15% VG, I definitely feel it, and it feels like a hairball in there that I can't get rid of. PG is thin enough that my lungs can get rid of it fast enough that I never notice it.

I've thought that the reason I notice VG in my lungs is because I have asthma, but other asthmatics have said that they can't vape PG at all, they have to vape VG, so I dunno.

Andria

I also notice when vaping more VG, I'm clearing my throat a lot. I'm still on the WTA as well so I'm sure that's not helping........

 

[herb]

I always felt like high vg juices cause me to build up phlegm, which i naturally coughed up when i felt it. Thought that was the same stuff forming the film on windows, but that's just my layman guess.
On the other hand I'm very active in sports and I can tell you the difference i feel in my lungs after a year of vaping vs smoking is night and day, so I'm not worried about it. It's either absorbed as sugar water or coughed up, either way my lungs are happy(er).

I dry heaved a little when i read that , that word is so disgusting lol.

 

[AndriaD]

I also notice when vaping more VG, I'm clearing my throat a lot. I'm still on the WTA as well so I'm sure that's not helping........

Yeah when I first started noticing problems with my lungs, it was after I'd been vaping WTA for a couple weeks -- before the WTA, my asthma had actually improved quite significantly. I'm down to .7% now, so I'll be done with it very soon, and I've noticed a very, VERY slow improvement, especially since I got below 1%.

I also never saw any "gunk" on my coils or wicks till I started vaping WTA -- which maybe explains a lot about why it made my asthma worse!

Andria

 

[Robert Cromwell]

It seems like a lot to me as well. I wouldn't clean them every 3 days even if they had film on them. lol

Let the film build up and they it might catch flys and such?

 

[Atchafalaya]

Let the film build up and they it might catch flys and such?

And those pesky mosquitoes too!

vaping WTA

I'm still vaping 24 nic WTA - 2/3's of that, and 1/3rd of PG no WTA. I craved a cig during Christmas break so I'll give it a couple of months and start weaning myself off it as well. Plus, it's SO expensive!!!!$$$$$

 

[crxess]

Lungs do not work well if Coated with anything. COPD is definitely effected by Dense air. Dry air to.
VG is not a danger, nor is PG.(in context 1 in xxx,xxx,xxx...)


Doctors, open your textbooks: glycerol CANNOT cause lipoid pneumonia (but other things can)

As to Windows, perhaps a combination of effects.
Dust/contaminants in Air picked up and suspended in Aerosol
Expelled Flavorings
Naturally expelled chemicals from the Lungs - Is air just air? What exactly is in air?

It is quite possible one takes in less contaminants while Vaping than regular breathing.
Ever look at a wick with a few days on it?
Ever run water over it before disposing?

I DIY and use no Colored flavorings.
Wicks get dark in a few days, nasty in a week or so.
Rinsed under water they are as clean and new looking as day 1. Plain old H2O and everything is gone. Yea, I still change them out. Don't care for soggy wicks.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Lungs do not work well if Coated with anything. COPD is definitely effected by Dense air.
VG is not a danger, nor is PG.(in context 1 in xxx,xxx,xxx...)


Doctors, open your textbooks: glycerol CANNOT cause lipoid pneumonia (but other things can)

As to Windows, perhaps a combination of effects.
Dust/contaminants in Air picked up and suspended in Aerosol
Expelled Flavorings
Naturally expelled chemicals from the Lungs - Is air just air? What exactly is in air?

It is quite possible one takes in less contaminants while Vaping than regular breathing.
Ever look at a wick with a few days on it?
Ever run water over it before disposing?

I DIY and use no Colored flavorings.
Wicks get dark in a few days, nasty in a week or so.
Rinsed under water they are as clean and new looking as day 1. Plain old H2O and everything is gone. Yea, I still change them out. Don't care for soggy wicks.

They take days to fully dry out.

 

[VNeil]

VG is an organic compound that our lungs metabolize, as previously mentioned. Windows do not metabolize anything.

If our lungs did not metabolize VG, and it built up like it can on windows, then most of us would be dead by now, after a year or so of vaping. Something must be working.

For those worried that 40 years from now, we will suddenly learn that we are drowning in unmetabolized VG, consider this...

Many of us long term (30-40+ years) quit smoking and started vaping when our lungs had deteriorated to the point where if we kept smoking we believed that within 5 years or so we would be hauling O2 bottles around. We believed that because we were intimately familiar with the effects that continued loss of lung capacity was having on us.

Now, let's assume vaping is as bad for us as smoking, in terms of lung degradation such as COPD. When we stopped smoking the clock did not reset to zero. If one were to believe, based on their assessment of their lung degredation, that 5 more years of smoking would land them in full blown emphysema land, and if vaping would result in the same thing in a never smoker after 40 years, then another 5 years of vaping, on top of their prior smoking history, should result in the same outcome.

But in fact, people ready to order O2 bottles quit smoking, started vaping, and their lung capacity has only increased. So I have a lot of trouble with the "we haven't done this long enough to know" card. People here have been vaping for 5-7 years now, many of them were in bad shape when they started vaping, but we are not hearing about people continuing to experience the continued lung degradation that we would expect.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

VG is an organic compound that our lungs metabolize, as previously mentioned. Windows do not metabolize anything.

If our lungs did not metabolize VG, and it built up like it can on windows, then most of us would be dead by now, after a year or so of vaping. Something must be working.

For those worried that 40 years from now, we will suddenly learn that we are drowning in unmetabolized VG, consider this...

Many of us long term (30-40+ years) quit smoking and started vaping when our lungs had deteriorated to the point where if we kept smoking we believed that within 5 years or so we would be hauling O2 bottles around. We believed that because we were intimately familiar with the effects that continued loss of lung capacity was having on us.

Now, let's assume vaping is as bad for us as smoking, in terms of lung degradation such as COPD. When we stopped smoking the clock did not reset to zero. If one were to believe, based on their assessment of their lung degredation, that 5 more years of smoking would land them in full blown emphysema land, and if vaping would result in the same thing in a never smoker after 40 years, then another 5 years of vaping, on top of their prior smoking history, should result in the same outcome.

But in fact, people ready to order O2 bottles quit smoking, started vaping, and their lung capacity has only increased. So I have a lot of trouble with the "we haven't done this long enough to know" card. People here have been vaping for 5-7 years now, many of them were in bad shape when they started vaping, but we are not hearing about people continuing to experience the continued lung degradation that we would expect.

Ohh yes short term you see the increased lung functions and such.
But long term on the chemicals in vape....
Doctors used to promote smoking too.
Untill enough time has passed in the world of vapers we cannot know the long term effects. Hopefully negligable to none. But I have trouble believing absolutely no negative impacts.

 

[VNeil]

Ohh yes short term you see the increased lung functions and such.
But long term on the chemicals in vape....
Doctors used to promote smoking too.
Untill enough time has passed in the world of vapers we cannot know the long term effects. Hopefully negligable to none. But I have trouble believing absolutely no negative impacts.

You seemed to ignore the point I was making

And many doctors demonize vaping. So I'm not sure where you are going with that. The world has grown up since docs thought smoking was healthy. And really, they were right. Sort of. As I understand it, the "healthy" part was a correct assessment of the value of nicotine, before it became demonized. They just got the healthiness of the delivery mechanism wrong.

Interestingly, the first association of lung cancer with cigarettes was made by Germany in the 1930's. The association is far older than most claim. Unfortunately, I guess, the Nazis got a lot of other medical ideas quite wrong and perhaps that baby was thrown out with the bath water?

 

[David Wolf]

The windows in my small apartment are prone to getting coated with what I assume is a VG film, the byproduct of vaping and filling the place with plumes of vapor. Seriously, sometimes it looks like a London fog in my apartment, and every three days I need to clean the windows.

So, I just want to be able to wrap my head around this...what's happening in my lungs? My body absorbs the "film", is that correct? I don't feel like my lungs are coated with anything, no respiration troubles at all after 18 months of vaping, especially compared to the respiratory mess I was when I smoked.

So what gives...film on the window, what's in the lungs?

A good question, high VG gives me tightness of chest and wheezing at times whereas high PG does not, so I've often wondered how the lungs clear out each of them. And no that's not moisture on your windows it's a film of VG.

It is metabolized quite easily by a process called beta-oxidation. This process results in the production of CO2 and H2O and is a quite normal, common, and natural catabolic process.

Interesting, do you have a reputable scientific source for that?

 

[Atchafalaya]

value of nicotine

I used to de-worm my horse by giving him a little tobacco sometimes. ---- Not a lot of times, mostly gave him horse de-wormer. It helped with the parasites. Now, with that said, I've read some 'weird' things on the internet about smokers who quit. Such as smoking(ingredient benzene) had acted to eradicate demodex mites throughout the skin. When the smoker quit, they developed rosacea. Not sure what I believe about this. Just food for thought.

 

[Atchafalaya]

I dry heaved a little when i read that , that word is so disgusting lol.

lol! Yes, there are a lot of disgusting words on this thread. Phlegm, juices, throat clearing, gunk, and I just added 'mites' to it all.

 

[VNeil]

Ohh yes short term you see the increased lung functions and such.
But long term on the chemicals in vape....
Doctors used to promote smoking too.
Untill enough time has passed in the world of vapers we cannot know the long term effects. Hopefully negligable to none. But I have trouble believing absolutely no negative impacts.

I have to remind you that the OP asked about the metabolization of VG in lungs and you reply with concerns about "(other) chemicals in the vape". Can't we just once stick with the question asked?

 

[VNeil]

I used to de-worm my horse by giving him a little tobacco sometimes. ---- Not a lot of times, mostly gave him horse de-wormer. It helped with the parasites. Now, with that said, I've read some 'weird' things on the internet about smokers who quit. Such as smoking(ingredient benzene) had acted to eradicate demodex mites throughout the skin. When the smoker quit, they developed rosacea. Not sure what I believe about this. Just food for thought.

Well, there you go. Another reason those docs were right!