Windows and Lungs

[2buildawall]

Yep, it's water soluble, and doesn't "coat" your lungs as its pretty much absorbed as you vape it.


Lol!

I would love to see the data backing this up so I can show it to my doctor who calls me a guinea pig! Can you please give me your source? Thanks in advance.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

My feet stink since I started vaping.

 

[Atchafalaya]

My feet stink since I started vaping.

They probably always stank, but you didn't smell it before because you were a smoker. I never smelled my dog's farts until I quit smoking. Man, people tell you all the good things about quitting, ie., everything tastes better, etc. They don't tell you about all the 'bad' things you will smell.

 

[VNeil]

I would love to see the data backing this up so I can show it to my doctor who calls me a guinea pig! Can you please give me your source? Thanks in advance.

A couple of weeks ago, I was outside a bar vaping. An acquaintance was smoking. He told me his doctor told him that eLiquid is toxic- that it was antifreeze.

In the meantime that doctor must write dozens or hundreds of scrips a month for various medications that contain a PG base - that nasty toxic compound that is antifreeze. I wonder if he's trying to kill his patients???

The medical profession is a sad state of affairs these days. At least some of them.

 

[Atchafalaya]

The medical profession is a sad state of affairs these days. At least some of them.

Yes, some of them for sure. I've realized, the older I get, that doctors do NOT know everything. In fact, you have to fight for your health care today.

 

[sonicbomb]

I have a life threatening fascination with belligerent albatrosses since I started vaping, is there are connection?

 

[AndriaD]

VG is an organic compound that our lungs metabolize, as previously mentioned. Windows do not metabolize anything.

If our lungs did not metabolize VG, and it built up like it can on windows, then most of us would be dead by now, after a year or so of vaping. Something must be working.

For those worried that 40 years from now, we will suddenly learn that we are drowning in unmetabolized VG, consider this...

Many of us long term (30-40+ years) quit smoking and started vaping when our lungs had deteriorated to the point where if we kept smoking we believed that within 5 years or so we would be hauling O2 bottles around. We believed that because we were intimately familiar with the effects that continued loss of lung capacity was having on us.

Now, let's assume vaping is as bad for us as smoking, in terms of lung degradation such as COPD. When we stopped smoking the clock did not reset to zero. If one were to believe, based on their assessment of their lung degredation, that 5 more years of smoking would land them in full blown emphysema land, and if vaping would result in the same thing in a never smoker after 40 years, then another 5 years of vaping, on top of their prior smoking history, should result in the same outcome.

But in fact, people ready to order O2 bottles quit smoking, started vaping, and their lung capacity has only increased. So I have a lot of trouble with the "we haven't done this long enough to know" card. People here have been vaping for 5-7 years now, many of them were in bad shape when they started vaping, but we are not hearing about people continuing to experience the continued lung degradation that we would expect.

Very true. And as I noted above, I'm not really sure that my asthma is the reason why VG affects my lungs so negatively, because I've heard from several other asthmatics here at ECF who experience just the reverse; PG affects their lungs very badly, and they have to vape high VG. I'm thinking it's just one more of those individual quirks that make it so necessary to be able to adjust one's vaping style and material very carefully and minutely, which the ANTZ do not take into account -- hardly anyone takes this VG sensitivity into account, unless they are themselves affected -- and AFAIK, I think most of those I've talked to around here who share this sensitivity with me are not asthmatic.

Andria

 

[Bad Ninja]

Clean the windows every three days?
Damn I need a maid.

 

[AndriaD]

lol! Yes, there are a lot of disgusting words on this thread. Phlegm, juices, throat clearing, gunk, and I just added 'mites' to it all.

Most things that have any association with human health or bodily fluids will seem quite gross, to the squeamish/uninitiated. That is no reason to ignore those concerns. I didn't become a doctor, because I am squeamish about cadavers; likewise, those who can't take frank discussions along these lines, probably shouldn't try to participate in them. Or even read them.

Andria

 

[kfolse107]

And I don't miss having to go to sleep with a cough drop in my mouth every night. When I smoked, I'd cough ALL day long.

I can relate to the cough drop before going to sleep, making sure I didn't doze off and swallow it and choke myself. The constant wheezing was bad also.

 

[sparkky1]

A good question, high VG gives me tightness of chest and wheezing at times whereas high PG does not, so I've often wondered how the lungs clear out each of them. And no that's not moisture on your windows it's a film of VG.

Interesting, do you have a reputable scientific source for that?

Had it bookmarked, but I do know it was this guy's thesis Thieme E-Journals - Synlett / Full Text

 

[Maiar]

Your windows can't clean themselves. Your lungs can. Your body is actually very good (unless you listen to the snake oil salesmen who want to sell you some bull.... "cleanse") at filtering out the bad stuff and cleaning itself up.

 

[Rossum]

The windows in my small apartment are prone to getting coated with what I assume is a VG film, the byproduct of vaping and filling the place with plumes of vapor. Seriously, sometimes it looks like a London fog in my apartment, and every three days I need to clean the windows.

Vaping over two years now. No problem with the windows in my house or car needing to be cleaned more often than they did when I was smoking. My computer monitors, which I spend a lot of time right in front of, seem to stay cleaner longer than when I was smoking. Maybe it's because I vape at a mere 15-20 watts and don't chuck clouds?

As for my lungs, they feel a whole lot better.

 

[Atchafalaya]

Most things that have any association with human health or bodily fluids will seem quite gross, to the squeamish/uninitiated. That is no reason to ignore those concerns. I didn't become a doctor, because I am squeamish about cadavers; likewise, those who can't take frank discussions along these lines, probably shouldn't try to participate in them. Or even read them.

Andria

lol. Yep. I'm squeamish when I see human blood. It doesn't bother me talking about it though. Just seeing it, in person.

 

[Atchafalaya]

I can relate to the cough drop before going to sleep, making sure I didn't doze off and swallow it and choke myself. The constant wheezing was bad also.

I would tuck it in one side of my mouth, and sometimes wake up with it stuck to the pillow. lol.
Hey, I see you are in Houma. I have relatives there. Both my parents were from there. We're having a huge family reunion in June. It'll be great to chew on some sugar cane.

 

[jambi]

This only started after I got my first RDA and started fogging up my apartment with it at 60+ watts with 90% vg juice. Never had a film when using my old Kayfuns and subtank at 25 watts, 50/50 juice, and I never have a film on the windows in my van, where I only vape at low (less than 30) wattage with a subtank.

Took some pics but can't upload them atm because I can't find my cable. After 3 days, I can see the film, after 7 days it's so thick I can write messages in it with my finger. I just did so and then tasted the stuff on my finger. Tasted like slightly sweet nothingness.

I also notice the film on my refrigerator door, but strangely, the full length mirror in the bedroom where I do most of my vaping is unaffected, as is my monitor. The case of my computer that's in a perpetual on state only seems to collect a very light film (though the case is white and film is hard to see), but the black laptop that sits on my desk unused (in a cold state) most of the time gets a noticeable film after a couple of weeks. Something to do with heat/cold then...the weather is cold here now and heater is on a lot.

I'm not a scientist. I know zilch about the mechanics of condensation. Thanks for all the informative replies!

I didn't intend the thread to be a "Vaping is a health hazard" issue. I mean, I know how I feel now vs. when I smoked, and I wouldn't trade the health improvement for all the tea in China. I simply want to understand more clearly what's going on in my body in regards to vaping.

 

[Rossum]

I didn't intend the thread to be a "Vaping is a health hazard" issue. I mean, I know how I feel now vs. when I smoked, and I wouldn't trade the health improvement for all the tea in China. I simply want to understand more clearly what's going on in my body in regards to vaping.

I'm not sure anyone really knows. People have been vaping for going on 10 years now and hardly any problems have surfaced, but..... The whole high-power, direct-lung, massive clouds of 90% VG style of vaping is much newer than that, and the vast majority of vapers still don't vape like that. Personally, I've made a conscious decision not to go there. 15mg/ml of nicotine vaped in an MTl style at moderate power keeps me from smoking without drenching my lungs in VG or having to clean my windows every few days.

 

[jambi]

I'm not sure anyone really knows. People have been vaping for going on 10 years now and hardly any problems have surfaced, but..... The whole high-power, direct-lung, massive clouds of 90% VG style of vaping is much newer than that, and the vast majority of vapers still don't vape like that. Personally, I've made a conscious decision not to go there. 15mg/ml of nicotine vaped in an MTl style at moderate power keeps me from smoking without drenching my lungs in VG or having to clean my windows every few days.

I hear ya. Admittedly, I love my RDA and the flavorful plumes it produces, but it's offest by the mental duress of knowing I'm inhaling at least some degree of unvaporized liquid to get those plumes. Problem is, my old Kayfuns just aren't cutting it now satisfaction-wise, though I'm definitely digging the Aromamizer I recently picked up. Think it's time to end my brief flirtation with RDA's and move more in the Aromamizer direction.

On the plus side, dripping has had the unforeseen benefit of pretty drastically lowering my nic tolerance. I was at 12 before the RDA, and now that's way too harsh for me even in a single coil tank. I'm down to 3mg with the RDA/Aromamizer and 6 max with the single coil tanks.

 

[Atchafalaya]

I didn't intend the thread to be a "Vaping is a health hazard" issue.

No worries @jambi . Threads always seem to take on a life of their own.

 

[crxess]

Me thinks maybe the fact that @jambi loves Chucking Clouds is the reason for so much excess VG.
First, higher wattage to promote E-liquid vaporization
Second, a Build worthy of Cloud chucking
Third, 90% VG
Fourth, Way more Vapor transfer than the Lungs are going to absorb being expelled back into the Atmosphere.

Tootler's absorb VG
Chasers - Expel VG

It has to land somewhere


Glass of windows is a Dual Temp surface - always hotter/colder on one side or the other. Might be why the higher accumulation. Sucky R value
*Ever notice moisture build up around windows in winter?