Wiring problems

[DanMan03]

So, I was putting the finishing touches on my pipe today. I inserted my battery and my button and when I pushed down, it started smoking and got hot really fast. The image above is my wiring to the 2 cent VapeSafe. As far as I know, my wires are correct with ground to ground and + to +.... Am I not supposed to solder wires to the VapeSafe? I can't think of any reason why it started shorting out like that. Plus, from as much as I know, the VapeSafe should have prevented the short. Any ideas?

 

[gwbruce]

Dan, Can't really help much on the wireing sorry. But I noticed you are from Oklahoma. Where are you located, I'm in Shawnee.

 

[DanMan03]

I'm in Midwest City.

 

[gwbruce]

That's cool. Almost local. LOL. The pipe you see in my avatar is one I made from scratch. Didn't turn out quite like I wanted it to, but it works pretty good. It uses the Ego switch coming out of the side of the bowl, opposite from side in pic, and has a removable battery. I haven't used a vapesafe fuse, but probably should. I do use the protected batteries though. I haven't had any problems with mine yet. If you just wire up the switch like it says too everything should be fine. Good luck. Be sure to keep us posted on your progress.

 

[DanMan03]

Yeah we're pretty close lol. Well, that's the ting, I can't find anything on how your wire up the fuse. I wasn't even sure you were supposed to, but I tried it anyways. Everything I have seen on the VapeSafe, was you just attach the magnet to the negative side of the battery and you're good. I dunno though....

 

[Ken_A]

I don't think that vapesafe should be soldered....
The Vape Safe Fuse 2cents for safety - YouTube

It's a drop-in
e-pipe mods will GLUE it to the circuitry, but not wire it in.

here is how they "install" it in any other mod
Vape Safe Instruction Manual - YouTube

 

[DanMan03]

I don't think that vapesafe should be soldered....
The Vape Safe Fuse 2cents for safety - YouTube

It's a drop-in
e-pipe mods will GLUE it to the circuitry, but not wire it in.

here is how they "install" it in any other mod
Vape Safe Instruction Manual - YouTube

That's kind of what I was thinking. I don't know if the fuse is any good after the problems I had, so I'm not going to risk putting it back on. I'm just going to redo the wiring real ghetto style and see if it works. I wish I knew how to do a professional look, but that's probably why I'm not a professional lol. As of right now things are working out just fine. I'll put the button on here in a bit and see what happens.

 

[duckie_44]

kena......That's a good find on the link's....

Dan.....I looked at your posted picture...A question...Did you put your battery in positive side down?.....If so....when you hard wired the fuse, I think you made the magnet side "ground" .....Do you see where I'm going here?

FYI: I don't have, or have never used a 2-cent fuse....But looking at a enlarged picture of the fuse I think this to be true.....

Dan.....If what I said is not the case...If you could post a drawing of your wiring maybe I, or someone here could help you out.

duckie........edit....Dan the 2-cent fuse is a one and done...It's toast......

 

[DanMan03]

kena......That's a good find on the link's....

Dan.....I looked at your posted picture...A question...Did you put your battery in positive side down?.....If so....when you hard wired the fuse, I think you made the magnet side "ground" .....Do you see where I'm going here?

FYI: I don't have, or have never used a 2-cent fuse....But looking at a enlarged picture of the fuse I think this to be true.....

Dan.....If what I said is not the case...If you could post a drawing of your wiring maybe I, or someone here could help you out.

duckie........edit....Dan the 2-cent fuse is a one and done...It's toast......

I did put the positive side down. So when I hard wired the fuse, putting it positive side down reversed the way it is supposed to work I guess? I dunno..... I got it working now and I took my first puff on it, but it stopped working after that. Plus when I took my tank off, it torn off the ground wire. I'm almost finished with is nightmare lol. But, I really just wanted to know what was going on with that fuse and from now on I won't solder to it.

 

[duckie_44]

I did put the positive side down. So when I hard wired the fuse, putting it positive side down reversed the way it is supposed to work I guess? I dunno..... I got it working now and I took my first puff on it, but it stopped working after that. Plus when I took my tank off, it torn off the ground wire. I'm almost finished with is nightmare lol. But, I really just wanted to know what was going on with that fuse and from now on I won't solder to it.

Dan....Without seeing a wiring diagram It's hard to say what happen....But hang in there.... bud....You'll get there....

And....Dan....how about a resettable fuse for about 50 cents...www.mouser.com #576-2920L300DR .....These are really small, but they are easy to put in-line in a pipe......

duckie........

 

[DanMan03]

Here is the diagram of what I did. It's not the best, but I think you get a good idea of how I wired everything up and put it together. I hope this helps with determining what I did wrong.

I have a working pipe right now, but it tastes like burning wood and it's not hitting very hard. I took the vapesafe out and soldered up a nut for my positive post. No problems other than the wood taste and smell.

 

[duckie_44]

Hey...Dan...I see your diagram....Question One....No ground wire to the atty connection?..( left it out of the diagram?)...

Question Two...Do you have a way to check for voltage sage? (not hitting very hard)....

"Taste like burning wood".....How hot did the battery get? (keep an eye on it)....Check what ever you used carto, etc. for a burnt coil...

Some thoughts.....I still think I'm right about the hard wired fuse...But I have no way to prove it....sorry....

Voltage sage....this can be two things.... wire connections...and , or batteries ...FYI: The first IMR "No Name" batteries I bought had a voltage sage of about 10%, add wire connections to that....I had to change the battery when it got to 3.80 volts unloaded....

Does this help any?......I saved your picture to my computer....I post later some thoughts on wiring......

duckie........

 

[DanMan03]

Hey Duckie... I don't think I'm using an atty. That adapter is what I screw my DCT tank into. I thought seeing as the heating coil was at the bottom, I didn't need an atty. Well that's what some people have told me anyways. That was an idea a guy gave me instead of purchasing a 510. The diagram is my entire setup, pos and ground wires are connected to the adapter.

I don't have a way of checking voltage right now. Last night when I checked it, it was reading 3.7 volts.

Battery wasn't hot and I don't know how to check for a burnt coil on my carto, because I think the coil is inside the tank and I can't see anything.

 

[duckie_44]

Hey Duckie... I don't think I'm using an atty. That adapter is what I screw my DCT tank into. I thought seeing as the heating coil was at the bottom, I didn't need an atty. Well that's what some people have told me anyways. That was an idea a guy gave me instead of purchasing a 510. The diagram is my entire setup, pos and ground wires are connected to the adapter.

I don't have a way of checking voltage right now. Last night when I checked it, it was reading 3.7 volts.

Battery wasn't hot and I don't know how to check for a burnt coil on my carto, because I think the coil is inside the tank and I can't see anything.

Sorry for the confusion....Atty connecter is a generic term..(Mod speak) for what ever you screw the juice device into (DCT tank).

As for the burnt coil, I should have said the filler material in carto being burnt...aka.... burnt taste...

If you are using the pipe, then you have a ground to atty connector(there's that word again)...(V2-510 adapter)...See (left it out of the diagram?)

If you have a high (above 10%) voltage sage...3.7 volts is not going to give you much power...See FYI in the last post...

If you want to make a load tester (cheap) I will post a thread later....

duckie......

 

[DanMan03]

Sorry for the confusion....Atty connecter is a generic term..(Mod speak) for what ever you screw the juice device into (DCT tank).

As for the burnt coil, I should have said the filler material in carto being burnt...aka.... burnt taste...

If you are using the pipe, then you have a ground to atty connector(there's that word again)...(V2-510 adapter)...See (left it out of the diagram?)

If you have a high (above 10%) voltage sage...3.7 volts is not going to give you much power...See FYI in the last post...

If you want to make a load tester (cheap) I will post a thread later....

duckie......

I found out why I had the burning taste. The coil was toast because I didn't prime it right. So, I bought a new one and we're all good. I think the reason it isn't hitting hard is because of the battery. It was getting low on power, plus the 18350 is small so, it won't put out that much power. As of now, I'm not having any problems and its working just fine.

 

[duckie_44]

I found out why I had the burning taste. The coil was toast because I didn't prime it right. So, I bought a new one and we're all good. I think the reason it isn't hitting hard is because of the battery. It was getting low on power, plus the 18350 is small so, it won't put out that much power. As of now, I'm not having any problems and its working just fine.

I'm glad you got her going...Dan...When you get it like you want post us a picture...Or it didn't happen

Vape on Bro.....duckie......

 

[DanMan03]

I'm glad you got her going...Dan...When you get it like you want post us a picture...Or it didn't happen

Vape on Bro.....duckie......

I charged my batter to full and she hits pretty hard now haha. I need to stain her and hopefully get my stem to fit and I'll post a picture. Hopefully tomorrow. Thanks for everything Duckie, you're the man!

 

[DanMan03]

Here she is... Not too bad for my first try really.

 

[Tezcatlipoca]

FYI Dan, you shouldn't need to run both the positive and negative wires through the VapeSafe. I would just run the negative straight from the 510 connector to the keyring -- that's how ePipeMods does it, and really, you only need a fuse at one point in the circuit (in other words, it only needs to break at one point) to be effective. If you think about it, when you put a VapeSafe in a tube mod, it only goes on one end of the battery, and therefore only occupies one point in the circuit.

 

[gwbruce]

Hey Dan that look really good. Your hooked now. Can't wait to see the next one.