with so much attention being given to super sub ohm builds...

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Asbestos4004

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The idea behind this thread wasn't to alienate any style of vaping. It was to identify a way of achieving sub ohm results with a standard ohm set up on a regulated mod. Too many new vapers think they need to go super sub ohm on a mech to blow big clouds. They don't seem very interested in learning the information needed to do it safely.
I still sub ohm with a mech and a dripper. I also run higher ohm set ups on high wattage regulated devices. I also run a boring ol kayfun on a provari. Every aspect of vaping seems to appeal to me. Stevegmu might think I never learned how to vape correctly.....oh well. Higher ohm builds on high wattage regulated devices just seems to be a more responsible, safer recommendation for our newer members who want big clouds.
 

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Without undervoltage protection, there's no way to know you're not damaging the battery under load. Doesn't matter what the ratings are, that's just a starting point. Performance degrades over time, and some manufacturers make dubious claims.

Again, for the experienced, may be fine but someone a little inexperienced on the numbers side is dancing a little close to the fire
 

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Without undervoltage protection, there's no way to know you're not damaging the battery under load. Doesn't matter what the ratings are, that's just a starting point. Performance degrades over time, and some manufacturers make dubious claims.

Again, for the experienced, may be fine but someone a little inexperienced on the numbers side is dancing a little close to the fire

Guess what? that's for anything new that comes out. You can say that about any new product. You know what happens? Someone gets killed then they put warning lables up. Or even stop signs up in a intersection. This isn't just for vaping, what is this thread going to do for anything. Everything new there is always something that will happen. If the argument is for sub-ohmers, You need to find out safety on any new product. Hell they release diet pills and guess what happens after time? Someone does something dumb and they put warning labels on it. You can't stop someone from fing up. Live and learn. If you really want to do something Call Sony, Call MNKE, Call Panasonic, call RDA manufacturers and ecig hardware manufacturers and random Juices that you trust and inhale.
 

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BTW What will trigger this even more is Kangers new Sub-Ohm coils and pressing towards that market. Check out this pic I took when I bought my mom new coils.
They are huge for the newbs in vaping and now making sub-ohm coils, also look at the Kanger Turbo pressing sub-ohm and towards a RDA style Quad coil device. The Kanger Turbo will hold two dual coil heads and you can buy them sub-ohmed stock.


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Guess what? that's for anything new that comes out. You can say that about any new product. You know what happens? Someone gets killed then they put warning lables up. Or even stop signs up in a intersection. This isn't just for vaping, what is this thread going to do for anything. Everything new there is always something that will happen. If the argument is for sub-ohmers, You need to find out safety on any new product. Hell they release diet pills and guess what happens after time? Someone does something dumb and they put warning labels on it. You can't stop someone from fing up. Live and learn. If you really want to do something Call Sony, Call MNKE, Call Panasonic, call RDA manufacturers and ecig hardware manufacturers and random Juices that you trust and inhale.
Youre missing the point - let me address the thought process in an orderly way so that this thread doesn't descend to a free for all.

Premise 1: super sub-ohming doesn't have any advantages over moderate sub-ohming and up to 2 ohms, which can be used well with cheap 30W regulated devices today

I and others have shown some reasoning to support that, by pointing out that it is in fact down to just temperature, sustaining of said temp, and surface area. This isn't independent to the vaper as well, as the vaper can control suction speed to achieve different outcomes,such as hotter vape, more clouds etc.

Premise 2: is built on premise 1,and that is - with no real advantages of super sub ohming, then there's no real advantage of a mech mod over a 30W or even 50W regulated device with inbuilt battery protection.

That's a win-win. In the past, sure many or most would research to the nth degree. Today, choice makes people lazy. Newbies considering mech mods over 30W regulated devices are probably choosing to do so because they couldn't be stuffed learning about how regulation works, why it's important, and how you can set it up to perform superbly.

For those sets of people, the Newbies jumping on the mech bandwagon, the lack of protection is dangerous. Many, including many on this forum, do not know, that lithium battery ratings are not to be trusted, and that you should avoid running currents approaching the rated figure.

Yes, you're probably educated on the subject. Many in this forum are. Many more are not. And a subset are either too lazy to research, or do not know they should. In those cases, a mech mod is a far more dangerous device than a regulated one with protection circuits, all other things being equal.

Make sense?
 

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The idea behind this thread wasn't to alienate any style of vaping.


Well, i´m starting to feel marginalized.


I am vaping for some years now. And the end of this developement is mega subohm. Even at 8,4 Volt.
Drippers at mechanical mods. I am not interested in any other kind of vaping.


My motive to start vaping was enjoyment. Not to stop smoking. So i was always interested in getting
more. More feeling, more vape, more taste (!), more flash, more enjoyment. And indeed vaping can compare
with any kind of smoking.


A cigar, my splendid collection of pipe tobaccos ... i don´t like it anymore. What a pity. It just can´t
compare.


Starting subohm vaping as a novice is moronic. Marginalizing the complete subohm community is
the same. And it seems to be trendy this days.
 
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