with so much attention being given to super sub ohm builds...

[Rocketpunk]

I can't understand the attraction to super-sub-ohm builds, unless it's just to push the envelope for the sake of doing so. Cloud chasing? Bigger clouds? Why? Is it a male thing? The ability to project something large out in front of himself? "Mine's bigger!"

I really don't get it.

When you go that low ohm where's the flavor? You get the big cloud, but where's the flavor? From what I've heard it's not there at all, so what's the point? A bigger cloud than that other guy's? Must be, because I only hear about men doing that, and usually young men. So I think it's just a male "mine's bigger" contest.

Meh...

You pretty much nailed it, Vaslovik. It is exactly that mentality. Young men will always be risk-takers (girls can be, too), and if they are anything like I was back then, I had to stick my hand into the fire to figure out it burns. Live and let live, I guess. Some people just need to walk on the wild side.

 

[Baditude]

You pretty much nailed it, Vaslovik. It is exactly that mentality.

Essentially pissing contests.

 

[milescadre]

my 2 cents on this;

I can blow a reaonably big cloud with my silver dog on a 18350 @ 1.3 ohms.

I can on my tobh @ 0.5 ohms too.

I find at higher wattages, coils tend to be too productive.

That being said, if someone wants to sub ohm at 0.25 and risk explosions, let them. But if you want reasonable performance vs vapor vs flavor, 0.8-1 ohm is ideal in my honest opinion.

 

[Rocketpunk]

Exactly.

10 char

 

[Lunger]

Sub ohm can be done safely with the correct batteries, equipment and knowledge. I personally don't do anything but sub ohm, I get my fix faster and vape less frequently. The thing is I understand what I'm doing and know how to do it safely. There are people that just want to blow clouds but can't tell a multimeter from a spaceship and accidents will happen. These kinds of people lack common sense and give other safe sub ohm vapers a bad rep.

It's like a person that doesn't know a thing about firearms wanting to go shooting a 50 caliber, or a person that can't tell the difference between a radiator and an alternator wanting to go race a at Nascar. You have to start small and learn a little before you jump into pro territory. Unfortunately common sense is lacking these days and the youtube cloud chasing "supahstahz" influence these people that end up blowing their faces off. They just want to look cool and mimic their favorite vapor.

 

[westonG]

I subohm but i recently picked up the Congestus that has the capability of stacked 26650 batteries.. since researching vaping with stacked batteries ive been experimenting, and ive found that the perfect vape is at 1.2ohms and with the stacked batts thats 45watts, 7.4volts and thats only using 6amps from the battery.. by doing this im producing clouds equivalent to a .2ohm coil and its safe because its using a fraction of the amp limit of the battery. So people dont need to super sub ohm, they can just do stacked batteries and get the same performance, without risking the battery failling and exploding or something. And no need for the variable voltage wattage devices... just my

 

[Rocketpunk]

ive found that the perfect vape [for me] is at 1.2ohms and with the stacked batts thats 45watts, 7.4volts and thats only using 6amps from the battery.

Fixed it for you.

My perfect vape is a regulated mod at 8 watts/4 volts with a 2.0 ohm single coil cartomizer in a tank.

"Perfect" is relative.

And no need for the variable voltage wattage devices [for me]... just my

Again, fixed it for you.

No one person is the same.

Just my

 

[Rocketpunk]

All of this talk makes me miss the old days of ECF. Yes, nostalgia. QQ. It's all numbers and clouds now. Remember when we were all just happy that we finally quit smoking real cigs? This sub sub sub culture has gotten ridiculous. Can the pendulum please swing back? I'm over this paradigm shift.

*chick* *chak* Get off my lawn.

 

[ughmassa]

I like turtles!

 

[rondasherrill]

Sub ohm can be done safely with the correct batteries, equipment and knowledge. I personally don't do anything but sub ohm, I get my fix faster and vape less frequently. The thing is I understand what I'm doing and know how to do it safely. There are people that just want to blow clouds but can't tell a multimeter from a spaceship and accidents will happen. These kinds of people lack common sense and give other safe sub ohm vapers a bad rep.

The other problem that sub-ohmers have is that they ALL think they know what they are doing. I guarantee those youtube cowboys have posted this exact same paragraph somewhere on the internet.

*Not saying you don't. I don't know your background, and just based on the fact you have been part of this forum for a year I can assume you know what you need to know.

 

[Joey13091]

Got a 1.9ohm single coil and i believe it preforms better at 30w than a dual .5 ohm on a mech.

That's about 7.6 volts I believe. Very warm vape as well.

 

[Joey13091]

I definitely prefer my regulated device over a mech now days. I will probably never buy another mech.

 

[doctadrea]

People don't seem to understand that you do NOT have to sub ohm if you are using an RBA and/or a mech mod. Many people, including me, are happy building coils in the 1-2ohm range. You are not necessarily missing out on anything if you vape at under 15 watts.

 

[ughmassa]

I'm sub ohming but I'm planning on getting a 50 Watt device and vape at above ohms. That seems like an experience I want! It offers something mechanicals can't. 50 Watts at above 1 ohm. Seems satisfying

 

[regal55]

Isn't there a huge difference between subohming at 0.7 ohms and 0.1 ohms, seems to all get lumped together

 

[doctadrea]

regal55, yes there is. You're right. I'm guilty of not making that distinction. When I think of sub-ohm, I usually think of below .5, whereas I myself sometimes go under 1ohm by a bit... just not crazy low. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[eyerhere]

To the sub-ohmers that disagree with the premise of this thread, here are two quick facts for you: Vapor is produced by heating liquid. Heat is measured in watts, not ohms. Connect the dots.

Did the dot thing. My .2 build comes in at 88 watts. My first grade teacher said that is moe than 30. And I resent that you say sub ohmer like there is somthing wrong with sub ohm. There is a line between safe vaping and stupid vaping! what I do is safe. My mod was much more cost effective and will still be functioning long after yours just quits working. I agree that stupid people can get into deep doodoo in a hurry with a mech. But with the rise in popularity of regulated mods I a sure sooner or later we are going to see a faliure of the safety features and then poof. Then who we gonna hate?
Oh well I am off to finish the thread.

 

[eyerhere]

Ok finished the thread. Now whats for breakfast?

 

[Lt. Col. Killjoy]

I was away from ecf for around a year. This "sub ohm" phenomenon seems like a more ramped up version of a mindset that's been around before. The first example of which that comes to mind would be when I read about people stacking batteries to get to six volts. None of that has ever appealed to me, I like the 7-8 watt range. For my juices, I find that's the flavor sweet spot for me. Other people like it warmer and I have no problem with that. What I find troubling, is that their seems to be a lot more pictures of blown up mods and mangled hands popping up than there ever was back in the day. Call me crazy, but this seems like a bad trend for those of us who would like to see vaping promoted as a safer alternative to smoking. I'm glad there are people around here who care enough to actively discourage new vapers who are poorly informed about safe battery usage from starting with sub ohm builds.

 

[regal55]

regal55, yes there is. You're right. I'm guilty of not making that distinction. When I think of sub-ohm, I usually think of below .5, whereas I myself sometimes go under 1ohm by a bit... just not crazy low. Thanks for pointing that out.

Sub ohm should evelve into sub-half ohm.