Work is making me stop vaping . I need your help ECF

[John Phoenix]

I would read through the info enough to know where to find important ideas to use to counter their arguments. Wait for when they suggest a problem then counter it with facts. Ask them to read through all the data so they will understand the issue and explain to them that the Government is acting out of fear and misinformation, then show them the truth.

I would also suggest that making you a non smoker go out for breaks with the smokers and have to vape in the no smoking area is wrong and they are putting your health in danger with second hand smoke - dangers that you started vaping and stopped smoking to get away from to begin with.. surely they will not in this manner force you to be put in danger.

 

[juicejunky]

Here's another line that might fit in somewhere.

"Electronic cigarettes are a new technology that is evolving daily. Not many people know about it, so I understand why some might not be comfortable with it. Eventually the government and general public will catch up to the marketplace, but right now to any smoker trying to quit they are just short of a miracle product. Until COMPANY NAME is comfortable with the technology indoors, I'll take it outdoors.


Also don't use any vaping jingo. It sounds cult like and kind of creepy to others, especially nonsmokers.

 

[hairball]

I just loathe the anti-freeze crap. Anyone use an inhaler? If you're banned from vaping, then they should be banned also. What we inhale is the same thing. Everyone already posted the same info that I can provide. Take it with you...good luck and I hope you can talk some sense into them.

 

[antroh]

I just loathe the anti-freeze crap. Anyone use an inhaler? If you're banned from vaping, then they should be banned also. What we inhale is the same thing. Everyone already posted the same info that I can provide. Take it with you...good luck and I hope you can talk some sense into them.

I really hope so too, so you are saying the "antifreeze" bullcrap they are claiming to be in ecigs is also in inhalers?

 

[Rocketman]

antroh,

go outside to vape for a while. Read up, become an expert then challenge.
You must have all the answers to all the questions or you will lose.

 

[Taniger1]

I really hope so too, so you are saying the "antifreeze" bullcrap they are claiming to be in ecigs is also in inhalers?

That is exactly what Hairball is saying. You really DO need to read all the stuff they are talking about on this thread. If you DON'T you wont' be able to counter. This is your chance to educate. To educate, you must become EDUCATED. I agree with Rocketman. Do research BEFORE you go in. If you don't, you'll lose. In a BIG way.

 

[antroh]

That is exactly what Hairball is saying. You really DO need to read all the stuff they are talking about on this thread. If you DON'T you wont' be able to counter. This is your chance to educate. To educate, you must become EDUCATED. I agree with Rocketman. Do research BEFORE you go in. If you don't, you'll lose. In a BIG way.

Will do, I been reading all the articles provided. Unfortunately the meeting is set for tomorrow so I dont have a ton of time to get in depth with it. But the only basis they are working on is this "antifreeze" claim, there have been literally no complaints about me vaping whatsoever.

Perhaps saying something along the lines of "a albuteral inhaler used by people with asthma contains the exact ingredient this article is referring to"

Another thing that work seems to be clinging onto is the fact that the article I posted in my original posting mentions the FDA, they seem to think that since its FDA they cant be incorrect or wrong. The last thing I want to do is come across as some tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist.

This is a tough call for me

 

[lynleestar]

Just because someone doesn't complain to you about vaping, doesn't mean the won't mention it to someone else~!

 

[VpnDrgn]

In regards to how you should present your argument, I would point out the benefits of not having to stop work to appease your cravings.
Use the literature to point out that vaping uses the same ingredients as other medicinal products, and the "antifreeze" scare was from
a test of pre-filled Chinese carts and the levels were infinitesimal compared to what regular smokers consume. Make sure to point out
that the juices you use are not from the same source. If it was me, if they required me to vape outside, I wouldn't want to have to do
it by the smokers. There are a few recent articles where study groups are starting to recognize e-cigs as a viable alternative. Make sure to
print out copies of those.

You did not state what your work environment is like. I was lucky in that I have a fairly secluded office and I did not vape openly in front of
anyone other than the guys in my dept. I think my boss knew I was vaping in my office, but since I was not blatant about it or vape on the
sales floor, he did not bring it up. Maybe if you convince your supervisors that it is not harmful, you can point out that you would be discreet
about it. Maybe even demonstrate some stealth vaping.

Let us know how it works out.

ps. PG is used in "safe" antifreeze because it has a low freezing point. PG is also used in inhalers, that is the only connection between antifreeze and inhalers. The diethylene glycol that was found in the test of Chinese carts was at such a low level it was not even detectable in the primary test. It is assumed it came from the tobacco used in nicotine extraction for the nic juice used in the carts. Since DEG is one of the chemicals used in antifreeze the FDA tried to "spin" that to their benefit.

 

[antroh]

In regards to how you should present your argument, I would point out the benefits of not having to stop work to appease your cravings.
Use the literature to point out that vaping uses the same ingredients as other medicinal products, and the "antifreeze" scare was from
a test of pre-filled Chinese carts and the levels were infinitesimal compared to what regular smokers consume. Make sure to point out
that the juices you use are not from the same source. If it was me, if they required me to vape outside, I wouldn't want to have to do
it by the smokers. There are a few recent articles where study groups are starting to recognize e-cigs as a viable alternative. Make sure to
print out copies of those.

You did not state what your work environment is like. I was lucky in that I have a fairly secluded office and I did not vape openly in front of
anyone other than the guys in my dept. I think my boss knew I was vaping in my office, but since I was not blatant about it or vape on the
sales floor, he did not bring it up. Maybe if you convince your supervisors that it is not harmful, you can point out that you would be discreet
about it. Maybe even demonstrate some stealth vaping.

Let us know how it works out.

ps. PG is used in "safe" antifreeze because it has a low freezing point. PG is also used in inhalers, that is the only connection between antifreeze and inhalers. The diethylene glycol that was found in the test of Chinese carts was at such a low level it was not even detectable in the primary test. It is assumed it came from the tobacco used in nicotine extraction for the nic juice used in the carts. Since DEG is one of the chemicals used in antifreeze the FDA tried to "spin" that to their benefit.

Thanks for this great reply.

As far as my job goes, I am a police dispatcher. We work in a pretty small workspace with only 6 or 7 people. All of which, I have spoken with personally and advised that if they had any issues at all with me vaping i would continue to go outside. Noone had any issues with it at all, actually most of them loved the smell of my Belgium Waffle flavor.

And I think thats what irks me the most here. If this was just a co-worker that had an issue with the smell I would be more than happy to go outside and smoke. But this is all based on this single article that according to most of you, holds little to no merit. This particular supervisor is an ex-smoker and I am wondering if this has anything to do with the decision that has been made.

I am still fairly new at this job, with about a year and a half experience. All this paperwork I have pretty much shuts down every aspect of the paper left in my box. But I have a feeling its not going to make much of a difference. My bet is they will say "its not worth taking the risk" and leave it at that.

This kinda sucks, I actually looked forward to not having to go out in the cold this winter to smoke. Oh well, worse things can happen to a person.

*edit* Also, I have seen a few posts here saying that I could take a stance on not wanting to go outside with the other smokers. Unfortunately I am the only one on my shift that smokes. And even If I wasn't we only go out to smoke one at a time.

 

[VpnDrgn]

Considering the work place, its a pretty safe bet they are going to enforce this even if they are convinced it
is not as dangerous as originally thought. If for no other reason than they don't want the brass to walk in
and see a cloud of what appears to be smoke.

That being said, I wouldn't let this go, just on the principle of why they put the ban in place. Just don't push it
hard enough to p**s somebody off. The knee jerk response right now is to ban vaping. But, as it becomes more
main stream, you may have the benefit of already educating your superiors.

 

[jj2]

http://www.casaa.org/files/8 Biggest Electronic Cigarette Myths(2).pdf
http://www.casaa.org/files/Are Electronic Cigarettes Safe.pdf
http://www.casaa.org/files/CASAA-Ecig-TriFold-Brochure.pdf
...above are a some print outs you can use to counter anything they may throw at you...fight the good fight and good luck.................
madjack

Print out some of these: CASAA Ecig Tri-Fold Brochure, Medical Infograph, Are E-Cigs Safe and E-Cigs and Smoke Free Policies.

Good luck!!!

OK, Madjack beat me to it...

Go here: Medical Research

and here: Technical Research

and print whatever you want to take with you.

Print it and take it.
Good luck!

 

[John Phoenix]

Considering the work place, its a pretty safe bet they are going to enforce this even if they are convinced it.

I wouldn't be too sure about that if he could get the sheriff involved and on his side. Sheriffs do not have to follow federal guidelines or even allow feds in their jurisdiction. Sheriffs can actually have more power than The President Of The United States, the CIA, FBI, DEA, HomeLand Security, FDA and any other Federal agency you can think of in their jurisdiction This website explains it: Constitutional Law Enforcement Association

 

[carpedebass]

The CASAA info is wonderful, and right on the money. However, I would seriously recommend anyone who finds themselves in a similar situation find an analysis from a different source. For instance (if possible) the medical community or an independent insurance analysis, etc.

When the management sees the info from CASAA, the very first thing they will likely do is research as to what CASAA is all about. They'll likely dismiss it as biased. Now, I'm not saying they are biased. I LOVE CASAA! But you have to see it from the mgmt side. Take the CASAA info along with something from a more independent or different source that would not be biased toward E-Cigs. It'll mean a WHOLE lot more.

I would go look for such info, and I have seen it on the web, but today is Saturday and...well...I'm really lazy today.

 

[antroh]

The CASAA info is wonderful, and right on the money. However, I would seriously recommend anyone who finds themselves in a similar situation find an analysis from a different source. For instance (if possible) the medical community or an independent insurance analysis, etc.

When the management sees the info from CASAA, the very first thing they will likely do is research as to what CASAA is all about. They'll likely dismiss it as biased. Now, I'm not saying they are biased. I LOVE CASAA! But you have to see it from the mgmt side. Take the CASAA info along with something from a more independent or different source that would not be biased toward E-Cigs. It'll mean a WHOLE lot more.

I would go look for such info, and I have seen it on the web, but today is Saturday and...well...I'm really lazy today.

Any link you have come to mind?

 

[emus]

The CASAA info is wonderful, and right on the money. However, I would seriously recommend anyone who finds themselves in a similar situation find an analysis from a different source. For instance (if possible) the medical community or an independent insurance analysis, etc.

When the management sees the info from CASAA, the very first thing they will likely do is research as to what CASAA is all about. They'll likely dismiss it as biased. Now, I'm not saying they are biased. I LOVE CASAA! But you have to see it from the mgmt side. Take the CASAA info along with something from a more independent or different source that would not be biased toward E-Cigs. It'll mean a WHOLE lot more.

I would go look for such info, and I have seen it on the web, but today is Saturday and...well...I'm really lazy today.

Bias seems to be unavoidable even from independent sources.

 

[fray]

Word of advice from an evil boss. You can fire anyone if you look hard enough at their work. People make mistakes and they are less likely to be overlooked if the boat is rocking.

 

[Pamdane]

I think I would try a totally different approach. I would start with the list of ingredients of antifreeze, and point out all things that would be banned if the logic they propose is implemented. THEN show them the list of items used that have common ingredients shared with e juice. Inhalers, childrens vaporizer liquid( btw, are they banning humidifiers?)...

 

[VaporChic]

I just wanted to say good luck. At my job, I go outside to Vape. I do go to a different area than the smokers do though. Cigg smoke now makes me gag.

 

[John Phoenix]

Any link you have come to mind?

The CASAA has links to all of it's sources so you could just grab the sources from there. I know that meeting is over by now but just FYI for future reference. Let us know how things turned out if you can.