Worst industry standards I have ever seen

[Heavyrocker]

To everone on ECF:

If you're going to pick the "cheapest" items out there, don't expect superior quality and then compain when your batteries explode or when your clearo's leak.

STOP buying vaping supplies when you don't know where they come from, when they come with NO WARRANTY, and start buying reputable devices and accessories like Provari, OVALE eVic, and the MiD.

You recommend "the VAMO" and "Volcano" s**t to new members here on ECF ONLY BASED ON PRICE. Then they become disappointed when they receive a defective unit or when their battery melts or explodes. End result, more news-stories and articles for our enemies to use against us to make everyone believe believe all vaping products are the same.

If this continues here on ECF, it won't be too long until someone's home catches on fire while they're charging their "eGo battery on SALE for $7".

It is not those "unkown" companies who are giving the vaping community a bad name, it is "A LOT OF US" who are!

Time to really wake up!

Its called GREED...the worst of all the sins.

 

[jimmyh]

I wouldn't feel dumb about it. I am sure things would change if companies knew for sure what the fda is going to do. I am positive if e-cigs were here to stay, some company would invest money to make products local and compete with the cheap imports. Yes I know they would cost more but probably be worth it.

 

[Heavyrocker]

Can you say SS Vamo battery spring.

 

[dragonbone]

I would rather buy an T3 made in the states and pay two dollars more per item and KNOW it will work vs Saving money and buying cheap crap from China.

Are T3's made in the USA?

 

[dragonbone]

Using a high voltage product made in someone's garage in China is even more stupid.

Which 'high voltage products' are made in someone's garage in China? Who is the stupid one here?

 

[Thomasis]

Read this thread all the way through and this is just my opinion but for those of you who finds satisfaction in "belittling" newer members because they had back luck with product "A" instead of your recommended product "B", just wait till you have an issue with product "B" and tell us if your now as stupid as you so called others in this thread. It amazes me how some people think they know everything just because they might have had better luck with their purchases. Quality is important and generally the more expensive a product is the better your chances but lets be honest, 10 bad cartos out of 10, I GUARANTEE that middle man KNOWS there are issues with their product and continues to make the decision to keep selling them because they simply do not care about customer results. With all the vendors we have I'm confident that said vendor will eventually have to change there attitude or they won't survive. Let's get back to what this forum is so good at: HELPING people when we can because personal attacks in the end make the poster of such attacks look childish.
Just my 2cents

End of rant

 

[eHuman]

I've had my fair share of disappointing vape shipments.

The money over time issue with ANY atty/cart is why I switched to carto tanks. Submerging the carts into the liquid extends the life of attys. But they still fail eventually.

So I changed to an IGO-L dripping atty for $14, the price of one new no name DCT and an extra carto or 2. With $2 worth of kanthal wire, I can make enough coils to last a year if I change them every 10 days which I don't.

Dripper doesn't hold enough juice for you? Get and AGA-T or any number of other Tank style RBAs. I use the tank when I'm out and the dripper at home or for testing new flavors without having to have dedicated attys for them.

My initial reasoning for an RBA was savings in money over time. The bonus was a better flavor than I have ever gotten out of any other cart/tank/clearo, and the IGO-L is nearly indesctuctable, it will outlast any PV you put it on.

 

[Heavyrocker]

Which 'high voltage products' are made in someone's garage in China? Who is the stupid one here?

Can you imagine the working conditions at the plants that produce these PV`s,if apple products are made in sweat shops,these PV`s must be made in a prison.

 

[J.R. Bob Dobbs]

i wanted to add something odd i noticed today about some batteries. They are ego's but i doubt genuine joytech...

two batteries ordered at the exact same time from one vendor, the batteries are the exact same model. 350 mah ego mini's

one has a 10 sec cutoff and the other cuts off at 15 seconds. its really odd. I never would have noticed had i not been dry burning two clearo's at the same time.

 

[CloudZ]

Are T3's made in the USA?

Nope, made in China. The "real" ones (not sure if there are any knockoffs yet) are made by Shenzhen Kanger http://www.szkanger.com/ as far as I know.

 

[CloudZ]

Can you imagine the working conditions at the plants that produce these PV`s,if apple products are made in sweat shops,these PV`s must be made in a prison.

They are most likely made in a little dirt-floored factory with second-hand equipment. Seriously.

 

[dragonbone]

Can you imagine the working conditions at the plants that produce these PV`s,if apple products are made in sweat shops,these PV`s must be made in a prison.

 

[tj99959]

Read this thread all the way through and this is just my opinion but for those of you who finds satisfaction in "belittling" newer members because they had back luck with product "A" instead of your recommended product "B", just wait till you have an issue with product "B" and tell us if your now as stupid as you so called others in this thread. It amazes me how some people think they know everything just because they might have had better luck with their purchases. Quality is important and generally the more expensive a product is the better your chances but lets be honest, 10 bad cartos out of 10, I GUARANTEE that middle man KNOWS there are issues with their product and continues to make the decision to keep selling them because they simply do not care about customer results. With all the vendors we have I'm confident that said vendor will eventually have to change there attitude or they won't survive. Let's get back to what this forum is so good at: HELPING people when we can because personal attacks in the end make the poster of such attacks look like azzclowns.
Just my 2cents

End of rant

NO, it's more about the title of the thread than anything else, and this isn't the noob forum, it's the general discussion forum. You will find that here on ecf many members are on a first name bases with many of the vendors. So there is a natural defensiveness. You will also find that for the most part those vendors are vapers just like the rest of us, and they are just trying to earn a living.

It also needs to be said that expecting these coils that we deal with in atties and cartos to be spot on in resistance is ludicrous. Their production cost would be quadruple or more. I even have $22 atomizers that are not. The 2ohm atty I'm using right now measures 1.7ohms. The 1.5ohm atty that is on my REO measures 1.25ohms. The 3ohm carto that is in my carto tank measures 3.3ohms. All three are name brand products. When you buy knockoffs, expect the veriance to be even larger.

I would also point out that there is also a proper subforum where this thread should have been posted.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/reviews-suppliers-negative/

Last spring and summer we got hit with "Bogegate". The quality of cartomizers became so bad that almost everyone switched to clearos. I can well imagine that there are low volume vendors that still have those bad cartos, and don't even know that there is anything wrong with them.

 

[steved5600]

Hate to say this but you get what you pay for. I did not mention Geography. LOL But I'm just saying I wish I could go back to the days where all we had to bash was the Japanese products. Never as bad as the stuff coming out of other Locations now. Notice I did not mention China. LOL

 

[mrfixit]

Wow this is one volatile thread! I think that what it started out to be got lost somewhere for real. I read a post that made an excellent point though. The product we all enjoy using was invented in China by a Chinese pharmacist it showed great promise over there and like any new product or invention person or persons saw huge dollar signs and it was on. Personally I wish he would have chosen a different name other than e-cigarette but it is what it is. What started out as simple has now exploded into what we have today. Variable variations on the original idea. We now have to many choices I feel. That in itself can really confuse a new person just getting started. I see the posts all the time asking for help or recommendations and then the fun begins. first of all very rarely does the new poster give what their smoking habit was, what their budget is for starting out, what their tastes are all in the first post. So what they end up with is a bunch of opinion based recommendations from just a simple ego set up to a vv/vw kit or they won't be satisfied kind thing. I guess maybe the moderators should consider as well as the rules for new forum members a reguired reading section on getting started with vapping. It could maybe contain the basic info on the best starter kits,equipment and needed accessories also a list of reputable vendors in price range from cheap to.top of the line. A must read section with a check box at the end before they can post for advice maybe? That would save a lot of time and hurt feelings imo. Here's an idea instead of rushing right to the vendors website when the next best thing is introduced we actually ask to see how it performs first. I know it's hard when it's all shiny and pretty with the flashing lights and laser sounds. If we dud this on just one product from over seas that would send a clear message to the companies who just want our money vs repeat business. Cheap is good but there is quality cheap and plain cheap. And seriously if a vendor can't test a product before listing it for sale and show us the results then it's not worth buying period. Rule of thumb buy one if it works good and you like it buy two next time.

 

[dragonbone]

The level of ignorance and bigotry by some people in this thread makes me feel sick!

 

[dragonbone]

 

[kiwivap]

To everone on ECF:

If you're going to pick the "cheapest" items out there, don't expect superior quality and then compain when your batteries explode or when your clearo's leak.

STOP buying vaping supplies when you don't know where they come from, when they come with NO WARRANTY, and start buying reputable devices and accessories like Provari, OVALE eVic, and the MiD.

The Vamo has been recommended based on reviews from people who tell it like it is, and many users who have found its a good mod. Its a good pv. The new springs - yeah - that's an issue that happened recently. And is being addressed.
The eVic had a massive recall too.
What the Vamo has done is show that prices don't have to be so high for these mods - its stereotyping to immediately equate low price with bad quality. Thousands and thousands of Vamos have been sold, and yes, there will be a few that have issues. There are with any pv, regardless of where made.


I don't like buying bad stuff - no-one does. I do try and stick with a core group of vendors that I've found good overall. Personally I'm not into recommending anything based solely on how cheap it is. The concern I have right now is with the people constantly wanting to save a buck on crappy no-name rechargeable batteries.
Please don't do that - get good batteries for your mods.

 

[mrfixit]

Okay now the b word comes out wondered when that would happen. It's funny how we start discussing products and product quality then a few words or sentences that I believe were not thought or typed with any bigotry in mind are taken that way. The facts are what they are we want cheap affordable stuff so guess what that's exactly what we have. Not only do these things come from Japan, China, Taiwan, Korea they come from India South America ect... Not all things are made in sweat shops either talk about stereotypes. Once again way off topic. I don't know about the rest of you but I am tired of having to watch what I say or write for fear of offending one or two people. Political correctness has gone way to far imo but it has helped the powers that be. While argue amongst ourselves and name call and accuse they can pass the legislation that slowly takes our personal freedom of choice away from us. Just saying. I think I'll have a vape while I still can.

 

[Heavyrocker]

Whats not made in China?