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Looking for some tips here. Can't seem to get it right with this rta. Can anyone recommend me a coil build (I was using a super tank mini with a .5 tobeco coil for a while). I know it won't be the same but curious what would get me in that neighborhood with this thing. Probably head to the vape shop tomorrow and pick up some different wire.
I guess the question is do you have an ohm meter? If so you can check each build. Also android has apps for coil building. It gives you the specs before building so you have an estimate. Try something simple 26 gauge kanthal/stainless 5-7 wraps, your choice. on 2.5 ml.OD tool or driver. That's how it works. Twisted 26-28ga
 

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I guess the question is do you have an ohm meter? If so you can check each build. Also android has apps for coil building. It gives you the specs before building so you have an estimate. Try something simple 26 gauge kanthal/stainless 5-7 wraps, your choice. on 2.5 ml.OD tool or driver. That's how it works. Twisted 26-28ga. As far as recommendation it's a personnel thing. I ask people whats working for them. And get a single build there using for now. You'll find everyone has a number of flavor builds. Just try a single 24ga. I hear that traps under the grub screw and gives a solid connect. Try 5/6 wrap.
 

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Yeah that's cool. Try 3 strand 26ga. twisted clockwise on cordless drill then smooth it out 2 times with flat pliers. Make sure you first straighten each 26 on its own in drill("clock). Wipe each with P. Towel & isopropyl. to clean.

I don't own a drill. I had a friend at my local vape shop twist it for me. This will suit me for awhile [emoji3]


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I don't own a drill. I had a friend at my local vape shop twist it for me. This will suit me for awhile [emoji3]


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Okay. I think a 9volt cordless is fine unless I'm missing the reason you would need anything bigger. There everywhere. Just about any hardware store,and probaly fairly cheap. No corded though, you might get the power cord and wire wrapped if your not careful. You shouldn't but who's to say. A 9v or bigger should work. Oh yeah no key for the chuck is my suggest. That way your good to go. But be sure you have an ohm meter. I like the USA Ohm meters there acurate as heck(but a little pricey). Mine is still working from last June with same batteries.
 

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I think I just have a wicking issue for the most part. Horrible at judging how much cotton. Took it into the local vape shop I buy stuff from here and there. Guy that's the manager is always building on all kinds of stuff took a look at it said the coils looked good that I had made and done etc. Just my cotton is not on point lol. I'll get the hang of it when I get a day off here just tinker with it.
 
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So after three weeks of exclusive use I can vouch for this RTA. This is by far one of most simple to use RTA. Top fill is flawless and the afc is not very noisy. The flavour is great and I don't see me spending money on another RTA soon.

I had a few builds in it from twisted, claptons to single strand SS. Every one worked great but my absolut favourite is a spaced 24g 2.5mm id coil with 6 wraps. Comes out to be 0.5 ohmish. Perfect vape between 28 and 36 watts.

Here is how I use to wick mine... I just use simple muji unbleached cotton and cut it on the length of the o-rings and tug it in the juice channels top. If i get dry hits I just unscrew and short it a bit more. As we speak of dry hits... I only managed it once to get them dry hits.
 
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After bad experience with vaporesso target tank (unreliable c cells....) GS19 (leaking....) i want to try this for all day long outside a work on a Minivolt Does it leak or not? At for example 18watt it is interesting or it need high wattage? Only for lung inhale or also it is good for mouth?

Mine is still dry so I tried an experiment just for you.
I blew through it to see if there was any build-up in the air intake... perfectly dry.

It's possessed I think. :confused:

Building for higher resistance/lower wattage shouldn't be a problem at all, but I don't mouth-to-lung vape so I can't say what the performance that way would be.
 

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After bad experience with vaporesso target tank (unreliable c cells....) GS19 (leaking....) i want to try this for all day long outside a work on a Minivolt Does it leak or not? At for example 18watt it is interesting or it need high wattage? Only for lung inhale or also it is good for mouth?

Doesn't leak a drop provided it's wicked properly. As far as watts required that would depend on your coil build. It's small capacity will require multiple refilling if your using it all day. I presume you could close down the airflow enough to accommodate MTL vaping but I don't think this particular atty was built with that in mind. JMHO.


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I think I just have a wicking issue for the most part. Horrible at judging how much cotton. Took it into the local vape shop I buy stuff from here and there. Guy that's the manager is always building on all kinds of stuff took a look at it said the coils looked good that I had made and done etc. Just my cotton is not on point lol. I'll get the hang of it when I get a day off here just tinker with it.
Wicking is an art. Every atty is different and requires a slightly different approach to wicking.

It takes a lot of practice, and a good eye for how each atty's juice feed works. There's a thin line between fully saturated wicks and over-saturated wicks. Too thick / too much wick, and it doesn't feed adequately (dry hits). Too thin / not enough wick - oversaturation, causing leaking and spitback, with poor vapor production.

For some atties, less is more, and for others, more is more. For example, though the Griffin and Billow V3 are basically the same tank, the wicking is different. With the Griffin, wicks are kinda thin and just touch the juice feed. With the Billow V3, thick wicks into the juice channels. Two very similar tanks, almost identical, and the wicking is different.

Not all wick materials are equal. Cotton balls are not the same as ... cotton which isn't the same as rayon and isn't the same as other materials. Even when using ... cotton pads, should you remove any outer layer? One or both? Scottish roll or fluffy? Thick/thin/in between? High VG or 50/50?

Wicking is even more important than the build. A single spaced coil will perform just as well as twisted/clapton/fused clapton/alien/etc coil, if it's wicked appropriately with the right wattage applied. Wicking is absolutely crucial, and there's no "one size fits all" approach. It depends on the atty and juice viscosity, and even then, there's a thin line between saturated and over-saturated.

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This combination looks absolutely perfect..... Smpl clone & the serpent mini.
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I really should buy a drill. o_O

:p

I don't own a drill. I had a friend at my local vape shop twist it for me. This will suit me for awhile [emoji3]


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I do have a drill but find that the coffee-cup method works just as well with a little practice:



I do use a heavier cup then Zophie though, and keep as much tension on the wire as I can to stop it from curling up on itself.

Only tried it with 26 and 28g titanium by the way, but I assume it'll work just as well with other wires.


So the Serpent is fully leak proof, even when placed on it's side?

I'm looking for a replacement for the tasty but problematic Bachelor Nano and fear I'll go nuts if I find another drop of my precious banana-cream juice on one of my mods again
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edit: @Jim_ MDP, I just noticed you have both, how does the SM compare to the BN in terms of flavor, vapor production, airflow and juice consumption?
 
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edit: @Jim_ MDP, I just noticed you have both, how does the SM compare to the BN in terms of flavor, vapor production and juice consumption?

They're both doing fantastic (can't figure what the hell is happening with your Bachelors) but I haven't set them up similarly enough to do any honest side-by-side comparison.

My Bachelor has a simple, massive, tons of wraps 24g 316 bringing the res up to 0.63.
It's tremendous.
For some reason, I got too clever for my own good and paralleled some 26g for the Nano and ended up down at 0.29... so it blows though that 2ml tank in a blink.
Thank FSM for top-fill. :p

I was anxious to try the WoToFo Claptons I had sitting unused so that's what I put in the Lil' Serpent. Supposed to be 0.3 +/- 0.05 but the Pico has it solidly at 0.39.
Either way... it's a guzzler too. :rolleyes:

My plan for the "tiny tanks" was higher res, lower wattage with decent vapor production but easier on the juice (it's the wave of the future :D )... obviously I need to rethink things. :)

Oops... need to refill them both... again. o_O

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I have a guess what the "coffee cup" idea is... I'll have a peek at that vid to see.
I've a mostly unused small roll of UD twisted K, but haven't really wanted to go the exotic coil route so even twisting up my own SS would be a change.
I doubt I'll ever have the desire to go Clapton and beyond (fairly positive TBH), though I'm enjoying the pre rolled one in the SM... just wish it was SS for the TC.
 
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They're both doing fantastic (can't figure what the hell is happening with your Bachelors) but I haven't set them up similarly enough to do any honest side-by-side comparison.

My Bachelor has a simple, massive, tons of wraps 24g 316 bringing the res up to 0.63.
It's tremendous.
For some reason, I got too clever for my own good and paralleled some 26g for the Nano and ended up down at 0.29... so it blows though that 2ml tank in a blink.
Thank FSM for top-fill. :p

I was anxious to try the WoToFo Claptons I had sitting unused so that's what I put in the Lil' Serpent. Supposed to be 0.3 +/- 0.05 but the Pico has it solidly at 0.39.
Either way... it's a guzzler too. :rolleyes:

My plan for the "tiny tanks" was higher res, lower wattage with decent vapor production but easier on the juice (it's the wave of the future :D )... obviously I need to rethink things. :)

Oops... need to refill them both... again. o_O

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I have a guess what the "coffee cup" idea is... I'll have a peek at that vid to see.
I've a mostly unused small roll of UD twisted K, but haven't really wanted to go the exotic coil route so even twisting up my own SS would be a change.
I doubt I'll ever have the desire to go Clapton and beyond (fairly positive TBH), though I'm enjoying the pre rolled one in the SM... just wish it was SS for the TC.


Haha, just give it some time, I'm sure your Nano will start leaking as well sooner or later :p

Just kidding of course, but I suspect it's just a hit and miss with these things so consider yourself lucky for getting a good one. It's pretty absurd seeing how many folks are retiring theirs over in the Bachelor thread.

I have one problem free Nano. I can't even get this thing to leak no matter how poorly I wick it and I absolutely love it.

The other Nano and the two full size Bachelors I've used have been nothing but trouble, they either leak a little or simply spit out their entire content all at once for some reason I can not comprehend. I'm sick and tired of it now, I'll continue to use my problem-free Nano for as long as it will keep my juice inside it but otherwise I'm done with 'm. Too bad, because I really like everything about it otherwise and was convinced the problem confined itself to the full size version originally.

Yeah, I was planning to hang out around the 0,8ohm region myself when I made the switch from Egos but for some reason my builds always end up around the 0,4ohm mark, so I hear ya on the thirstiness.

But I don't really care about that since I started DIYing, and the flavor is so good that I happily take the frequent refills for granted, at least for now.

I was lucky enough to find a build that works well for me rather quickly after I started building and have settled on 3,5mm ID twisted and spaced titanium coils at 8 or 9 wraps or so, do you think I would be able to fit those in a Serpent mini? I can go a little thinner if needed but I rather not.

And I'm still curious about how the airflow compares to that of the BN too ;)
 

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Yeah, I was planning to hang out around the 0,8ohm region myself when I made the switch from Egos but for some reason my builds always end up around the 0,4ohm mark, so I hear ya on the thirstiness.

But I don't really care about that since I started DIYing, and the flavor is so good that I happily take the frequent refills for granted, at least for now.

I was lucky enough to find a build that works well for me rather quickly after I started building and have settled on 3,5mm ID twisted and spaced titanium coils at 8 or 9 wraps or so, do you think I would be able to fit those in a Serpent mini? I can go a little thinner if needed but I rather not.

And I'm still curious about how the airflow compares to that of the BN too ;)

The SN is much airier than either of my Bachelors.
I broke my MTL and run everything wide open, so I can't say anything about the other end of the spectrum.

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It's funny about res. Just as we get higher power reg mods this past year I, and others, are starting to look at building more efficiently and not just relying on low res and moar power.
It's a learning curve I've only just begun (I don't need 2.0 MTL builds anymore) but for now... I do most often find myself between 0.6 and 0.2.
I need some higher gauge SS so I can shoot for ~0.9 again, like I used to with Kanthal.

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Fitting a lot of wraps in the SM? Not sure.
You have the RBA for your TopTank?

I'd have to dig mine out to compare, but that's the only similar deck style to the SM that I own. Simple old school flat top with the coil between the two supports.

They're not identical but I think the dimensions are probably similar.
Neither has a great deal of space unless you raise the coil and then bring the legs back underneath. Ha... now I really do need some higher gauge SS. :p
 
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The SN is much airier than either of my Bachelors.
I broke my MTL and run everything wide open, so I can't say anything about the other end of the spectrum.

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It's funny about res. Just as we get higher power reg mods this past year I, and others, are starting to look at building more efficiently and not just relying on low res and moar power.
It's a learning curve I've only just begun (I don't need 2.0 MTL builds anymore) but for now... I do most often find myself between 0.6 and 0.2.
I need some higher gauge SS so I can shoot for ~0.9 again, like I used to with Kanthal.

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Fitting a lot of wraps in the SM? Not sure.
You have the RBA for your TopTank?

I'd have to dig mine out to compare, but that's the only similar deck style to the SM that I own. Simple old school flat top with the coil between the two supports.

They're not identical but I think the dimensions are probably similar.
Neither has a great deal of space unless you raise the coil and then bring the legs back underneath. Ha... now I really do need some higher gauge SS. :p

lol, how did you break your MTL? I've never used the restrictive screws from the kit but love the mouthpiece that comes with it so much that I've ordered two more and am about to seriously overpay for a black one to boot.

But that doesn't sound good. I really don't need more airflow and I initially got the Bachelor because I found the Kanger RBA too small and fiddly for my preferred builds :(

I'm afraid the search continues then. Thanks for all the info anyway!
 
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