WTA and snus strength
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Great question a2d.
I'd like to piggyback with this one. If asked and answered previously forgive me. I'm old.
What are the constituents in tobacco that comprise the WTA?
I promise to add this answer to my notes so I won't ask it again!
I'd like to piggyback with this one. If asked and answered previously forgive me. I'm old.
What are the constituents in tobacco that comprise the WTA?
I promise to add this answer to my notes so I won't ask it again!
Please, keep asking! I'm hoping someone has found a comprehensive, recent study on this because I've been relying on a bunch of different studies to get some vague sense of the major and minor alkaloids.
I'm guessing Exo or Mister or perhaps others have some answers up their sleeves as well, and this may have been covered in previous threads, but my understanding goes as follows...
Major alkaloids (percentages are in whole tobacco)
Nicotine 90%
Nornicotine 2-3%
Anatabine 2-3%
Anabasine 0.3% (source for percentages)
Plus a whole mess of other minor related alkaloids in small quantities, including myosmine, 2,3-bipyridyl, [beta]-nicotyrine, and others I really don't have the org. chemistry chops to comprehend.
(Some of these I've acquired from reading abstracts and I have yet to slog through the full text.)
Beta-carboline MAOIs (quantities in cigarette smoke...can't find them yet for other forms)
One source:
norharman 900-4240 ng/cigarette
harman 360-2240 ng/cigarette
Another source:
norharman + harman 207-2780 ng/cigarette total
I don't know if snus makers intentionally add additional nicotine to their portions, which would mess up the proportions when you 'dial up' the nic.
At the least, when you're going from a 'mini' to a regular or then a 'maxi' portion, you're definitely getting more tobacco, so it would make sense that you're inevitably getting more WTA...
But, perhaps some veteran snusers can report on their experience?
Thank you Madame, those all look familiar and now reside in my notes.
The Beta carboline MAOI's you list are familiar as well. There was a lot posted and discussed about these, kinabaloo and IANAN had a lot to say. Others as well but sadly most of those discussions went way over my head
Thanks again!
According to DVap and kin the alkaloid stew is proportionate to a given quantity of tobacco. I'm not sure if the percentages apply to just smoking tobacco or all tobacco, but I would think so. a2d, I think there's more variables with snus. The regular damp portions are sprayed with a nic solution and the dry one aren't, so that would imply the damp ones have a little higher nic to alkaloid ratio. I also assume that's the case with the Thunder Frosted Mini portions, not sure how else a half gram of tobacco can contain 8mg of nic when all others of comparable size are 4mg.
Now to throw a wrench in the works, I've been looking at the Oomph purified snus, which is a white (dry, 1% h2o) portion. By my calculations a portion is only about a quarter gram and is available with 6mg nic per portion. The description says it's powder, so I have it pictured like a nasal snuff packaged in a teabag pillow. Can't imagine the alkaloid content in that.
Now to throw a wrench in the works, I've been looking at the Oomph purified snus, which is a white (dry, 1% h2o) portion. By my calculations a portion is only about a quarter gram and is available with 6mg nic per portion. The description says it's powder, so I have it pictured like a nasal snuff packaged in a teabag pillow. Can't imagine the alkaloid content in that.
Certainly not an expert on this subject but that's never stopped before, why start now. They spray the portions with a tobacco solution. That may be a very different then a nicotine solution. Dunno, but I'm not going to assume there is nicotine in the solution.
As for thunder frosted, I recall, but can't find where V2 said they use more leaf parts of the tobacco plant which has a good deal more nicotine then the stem for the thunder line. Also, different types of tobacco have higher nic content. What this does for the WTA content? dunno.
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Well, that's more info to add to the brain-box.......
.....Actually, I think I had already read that, but failed to store it in my memory banks. If I remember where I put that dang thing I'll check it and see .Some interesting info so far. The reason I want to know is if the strong portions, of the same size as the normal 8mg portions, only add more nicotine then I wont bother using them. What I'm after is more WTA and a more acurate method of determining exactly what I'm taking in. I can get more nicotine through vaping if needed.
I guess that's what I need to do right now is to stick to the normal 8mg portions.. After I get a handle on my receipe I may get more diverse.
I guess that's what I need to do right now is to stick to the normal 8mg portions.. After I get a handle on my receipe I may get more diverse.
Yeah, I'd say if regular use of 8mg portions keep all systems normal, enjoy your vape
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That's what has been working for me a2d. The only time I come close to too much is when I add the 3rd leg of my personal stool, snuff.
36mg Vape and 8mg snus has me at a very comfortable level. Once in awhile I'll do a toot of a particularly potent snuff, Rooster or a new one, Irish D, and I'll get the alert message saying woah boy, slow down!
That's what has been working for me a2d. The only time I come close to too much is when I add the 3rd leg of my personal stool, snuff.
36mg Vape and 8mg snus has me at a very comfortable level. Once in awhile I'll do a toot of a particularly potent snuff, Rooster or a new one, Irish D, and I'll get the alert message saying woah boy, slow down!
That sounds very practicle OTD. My vaping is much lower nic due to my acid reflux problems. I hope to have the snus do the heavy lifting. So far the snus seems to react differently in my body than the nic in the eliquid. I wish I knew what that indicates but this method of testing is very far from an exact science. It appears that application and delivery of nic seem to effect people differently.
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