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WTA is the future
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Great posts! I am busy but glad I have been able to read along!!
Awesome reading! Posts#538,#539,#540
CharlieGirl, I just had a super long phone conversation with Jerry and he said the concentrate will be available again very shortly! The wonderful thing about the concentrate is you can customize other vendors juices to fit your "double-u-tee-a" needs (I have typed the three letters way too much lately).
Everyone that uses whole tobacco alkaloids,if you all can indulge me...how do you justify the price to other members that think this is some kind of hustle, that is some how more of a hustle than "regular" juices? I went to the movies today with my family and noticed one bag of popcorn plus one soda totaled close to twelve dollars! Personally, I can carefully drip my way to two+ weeks of a 10ml bottle from Aroma! Why is the additional price a problem for people that are not forced to buy it to begin with? Interestingly, people have problems with the price of Aroma's juices yet have pv set-ups that make my little Provari look cheap in comparison! Lastly, two boxes of American Spirits would last me less than 48 hours and costs more than 10ml from Aroma...just sayin'!
***even though 10ml lasts me two+ weeks, obviously I have other juices that are in rotation; but the comparison still stands, though it isn't an exact head-to-head...
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Speaking for myself - yes I'm a super addict. I have an addictive personality - I tend to overdue things. I'm lucky to have not been consumed and destroyed as a couple of my friends. Cigarettes I guess because they are legal and for a long time socially acceptable are my last addictive substances to quit. (Ok some of the stuff that almost took me over happened 20 or 30 years ago - but looking back I see how I rationalized - I can handle it - or I don't have a problem).
Without WTA I'd likely be back on analogs. I vape it all the time. Just switch off to a non-WTA a few times a day for a change of flavor. Luckily between Jerry and Ethan I've always had WTA available to me. To be honest, when i get down to around 70 ml's of WTA around I start getting nervous about running out. It make me quite anxious, like an addict, worrying about his next fix. So I order some more an ration what I have until the next order comes in.
OK - I just mentioned 'getting anxious'. No I don't really fall into depressions - but I do deal with chronic anxiety - I've been treated for this for years. Went through all the prescription meds you could possibly think of, and most of them made me worse due to one side effect or another. I've been med free for a couple years, I got tired of being drugged and not being able to tell if I was feeling 'off' because of the drugs or because of my own mental state. I decided no more meds. I believe the anxiety is why I was such a heavy smoker. One I couldn't sit still without doing something and two, I do believe the MAIO's and Nicotine helped to a degree to keep me settled. The more I smoked the better I felt - but it left a huge guilt trip on me because I knew I was killing myself, like slow suicide
(No! I've never been suicidal - a lot of other issues but not that one).i know nicotine by itself does not work for me. Even WTA juice is borderline for me. He helps me curb my desire for a cigarette but it does not replace it like some people say. I know I've already built up a tolerence to WTA juice. When I first started vaping it, it had a better effect. I could 'feel it'. I don't so much 'feel it' anymore, it just seems to curb the desire for an analog. I think it was the same things when we started smoking. Remember how good that 1st cigarette of the day tasted and then after 40 years of smoking - I needed that 1st cigarette in the morning, I didn't care what it tasted like.
I've been vaping WTA since last October as my main vape. It's only within the last week, that I've made a conscience effort to vape more non-WTA each day than WTA. Some days it worked, but if it's stressful day or my anxiety is up, it's a WTA vape day. Real or imagined - I don't care - WTA is keeping me of cigarettes. Harmful or not WTA is keeping me off cigarettes (and as has been said, if it is harmful, it has to be magnitudes less harmful than smoking tobacco.
Told to me by my doctor - nicotine does have positive benefits. It helps reduce stress, hence helps you relax, and it can help relieve some kinds of pain, there were a couple other benefits he mentioned but I don't remember them. He also said in and of itself nicotine is not necessary bad for our body, such as to the cardio system. He said he never tells this to his smoking clients because he doesn't want them to have an excuse to continue smoking. He told me this when I had been smoke free for a bit over six months.
I simplistically look at it like this. For some people smoking was a habit to break (much easier for them, but still a challenge) for others like me, its an addiction to deal with. Each day I have to refuse to give in to it. I can't even be one of those people that take a few puffs on a cigarette months after they stopped and say 'ugh' how did I smoke that. If I take another puff on a cigarette, I'll be back to 2 PPD+ a week later.
Yikes! I unloaded Charlie Girl - how did you get me to do that.
CharlieGirl, I just had a super long phone conversation with Jerry and he said the concentrate will be available again very shortly! The wonderful thing about the concentrate is you can customize other vendors juices to fit your "double-u-tee-a" needs (I have typed the three letters way too much lately).
Everyone that uses whole tobacco alkaloids,if you all can indulge me...how do you justify the price to other members that think this is some kind of hustle, that is some how more of a hustle than "regular" juices? I went to the movies today with my family and noticed one bag of popcorn plus one soda totaled close to twelve dollars! Personally, I can carefully drip my way to two+ weeks of a 10ml bottle from Aroma! Why is the additional price a problem for people that are not forced to buy it to begin with? Interestingly, people have problems with the price of Aroma's juices yet have pv set-ups that make my little Provari look cheap in comparison! Lastly, two boxes of American Spirits would last me less than 48 hours and costs more than 10ml from Aroma...just sayin'!
***even though 10ml lasts me two+ weeks, obviously I have other juices that are in rotation; but the comparison still stands, though it isn't an exact head-to-head...
10ml's of juice would last me 4-5 days. I'd spend more than that for a 1 day supply of cigarettes. That's how I justify it. I only recommend WTA to folks who have given nic-only juice a try and are struggling as it is expensive and it seems for a lot of people I've met or have convinced to try vaping, it's the cost savings that is the primary motivator, health seems to be a secondary motivation. After all - all us long time smokers new it was bad for us - but we complained more about the rising costs then the detriment to our health now didn't we. Stupid us!
Yeah, slightly embarrassing.
For me, vaping, but more specifically vaping whole tobacco alkaloids has made it possible for me to stay away from other addictive demons that always accompanied cigarettes. Before whole tobacco alkaloids I was starting to slip with my thoughts and my old hangout was looking more and more enticing. Now, the thoughts get vaped away, and most importantly...because whole tobacco alkaloids do not exacerbate my anxiety, like standard liquids, I can chill out when I do have those bad thoughts!
I am not saying that vaping whole tobacco alkaloids "cured" me of something, but it has the put a big barricade in front of the first step to back-sliding...that first step for me would be a light blue, soft-pack of American Spirits; and the final step would be a marathon of more than smoking!
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I keep watching the numbers grow at the bottom of my posts and realize I could never spend what I was spending on cigarettes on WTA/nicquid/snus/snuff/APVs or my latest acquisition a herbal vaporizer. Don't know how that will work out, but I watched a TB video on the ploom and his using it to vape snuff and possibly snus and had to give it a go.
If it doesn't work out for my purposes, I'm sure Craigslist will recoup most of my investment.
If it doesn't work out for my purposes, I'm sure Craigslist will recoup most of my investment.
Yeah, I should get one of those counters...but, it may have to include other things that are inappropriate. I still would like to see though...
Heck, I use to buy the equivalent of a ProVari almost every week!
Jeez, I was stupid!
Heck, I use to buy the equivalent of a ProVari almost every week!
Jeez, I was stupid!
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Is the WTA made in the USA or in China?
I always try to get my products from the USA, just seems safer (maybe not though!).
I always try to get my products from the USA, just seems safer (maybe not though!).
I know that Aroma makes theirs in house. It is the main reason why it costs so much, though some may argue Jerry's prices are too high. Doesn't bother me though. I am also certain that Ethan at Vapelicious makes his own, though I have never purchased anything from him. I think he has more to offer than Jerry but I am happy with what I have. I think it is worh it in the end.
I am 99.9 percent sure both companies make there WTA in the US. I might be .1 percent wrong
Hey Aaron, I got some Red Tail Line Tobacco Road...man, at first I was just okay on it. Less than 48 hrs later, it has been all I vaped for a whole day! I will do a review soon, but man I am so excited to have it. You know something is good when you start thinking about buying more after only vaping two mls!
I stay with tobacco flavors on any juice. So far I've tried the Tobacco Road, Turk and Virginia. I just placed an order for Beatle Juice. I'm going to try all the tobaccos eventually. I haven't got a favorate one yet, I'm enjoying them all so far. I know most people say they use WTA to supplement their regular juice usage, but so far I'm using it all the time, just vaping less.
Yeah, yesterday to today was my first all day of vaping WTA. Not once feeling speedy or unsettled, just chill and satisfied.
Are there instructions on how to create home made WTA? I found a website that had some instructions, but the link is dead now.
Can I ask how long you've been vaping Diabolus and why would you want to try and make WTA?
We have two very good vendors of product now.
C.B.
We have two very good vendors of product now.
C.B.
Can I ask how long you've been vaping Diabolus and why would you want to try and make WTA?
We have two very good vendors of product now.
C.B.
Great question....and I think its important to stress that homemade products like this are not only dangerous but could also be fatal. If it is was easy to make several others would be doing the same thing.
Ack, I'm almost completely out of WTA (~4ml remaining) and you guys are driving me nuts talking about it.
I think the biggest drawback to WTA is running out!
I have been looking forward to WTA concentrate (never fails to sell out before I notice it's available) since I heard about WTA, mainly because there are blends I vape much more than others, and adjusting my ratios would be preferable than having a bunch of WTA in a blend I might puff once or twice a day. As it stands now, I just consume my favorite blends down to the least favorite ones until they're gone.
Yes, I do draw the last drop out of the bottle with a syringe (ok, ok, I only do that for blends I really enjoy). However, running out of WTA entirely in my currently hyper-stressful situation is making me seriously concerned for my vaping future. I am coping with a tropical-esque blend mixed with a few drops of a tasty tobacco flavor, but it's nothing like vaping a well-balanced WTA blend. Stretching the WTA is a necessity for me, mainly because I find myself less dependent on it and just enjoying my blends more without chain puffing the heck out of them.
I take on average about 4-5 puffs of my remaining WTA blends per hour or so. Though my taste for blends is rather peculiar when it comes to tobaccos (the more extreme or unique, the better), WTA adds a feel to each puff that isn't duplicated elsewhere. Most of the WTA blends I ordered were very high PG to VG; I shy away from high VG because it disagrees with me quite heavily in the congestion department and I like to vape a lot.
/end "Low on WTA" rant.
Hey Brob, if you want I can send you some of my WTA if you haven't gotten any by the time I post this message.
I still have some of my tasty raspberry/lemon you liked and much unflavored.
I'll send ya a bit to tide you over.
C.B.
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cigarbabe, the expression in your avatar makes me think you could unexpectedly knock somebody's lights out if they crossed you, but your posts reveal such a thoughtful and sweet inner spirit. I just love reading your posts!
Can I ask how long you've been vaping Diabolus and why would you want to try and make WTA?
We have two very good vendors of product now.
C.B.
No intentions of making any. I would like to know how involved the process is and the science behind it.
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Just a reminder from the other side of the world. We are still waiting for one of the vendors to open up to international orders.
We have two very good vendors of product now.
C.B.
As for DIYWTA, saw an interesting vid from tropical-bob Spend Less on Your Tobacco Habit VI - YouTube involving a cigar and a eCig. Tried it out and it wasn't too bad.
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