Has anyone tried the WTA concentrate? It is nice to be able to WTA(ize) standard juices.
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WTA is the future
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I got my first bottles of WTA juice today. I'm still sizing up the actual effect of WTA and I'll report back again.
I've been fighting to get completely off cigarettes and I hope to be reporting back with my success.
I did want to give a quick thumbs up to Aroma ejuice, I went with their Red Tail Vapor Tobacco Road.
Fantastic flavor
Nice straight tobacco taste. Great vapor production too. I thought I'd point out that WTA is far from the only thing Aroma has going for them. This is truly a premium quality juice.
I've been fighting to get completely off cigarettes and I hope to be reporting back with my success.
I did want to give a quick thumbs up to Aroma ejuice, I went with their Red Tail Vapor Tobacco Road.
Fantastic flavor
Nice straight tobacco taste. Great vapor production too. I thought I'd point out that WTA is far from the only thing Aroma has going for them. This is truly a premium quality juice.
I got my first bottles of WTA juice today. I'm still sizing up the actual effect of WTA and I'll report back again.
I've been fighting to get completely off cigarettes and I hope to be reporting back with my success.
I did want to give a quick thumbs up to Aroma Ejuice, I went with their Red Tail Vapor Tobacco Road.
Fantastic flavor
Here here! WTA is the bomb, but Jerry's flavors are what ignites the explosion!
. Experiment:
jjcordone, I would suggest vapng WTA in the morning before you vape any other liquid. I also think it would be beneficial to wait just a little bit longer than you generally would before vaping. So, if you vape within the first 10-15 minutes after waking, then wait 25-30 minutes. Maybe enjoy a slow breakfast or something, but the point is wait a little longer. I think by doing this you will build up a slight, if not substantial "craving" for nic, and you will also be able to isolate the "effect" of WTA, if in fact there is any. Try it out, or don't! But, FYI.... doing it that way showed me a great deal of what my body really experienced with WTA rather than using it after a day of vaping regular liquids.
p.s. If you try this method, don't vape yourself silly! Maybe 4-6 long and deep drags, but then, relax and asses!
***EDIT*** I typed the above message while at work. When I got home I received my package from Jerry. I got WTA Red Tail Line tobacco, and a WTA Aroma line juice, as well as the WTA concentrate. I am going to do my above experiment tomorrow as well.
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Heeeeey, I like this. I haven't even been done with smoking for a full month, but I'm finding that what you wrote is ringing true with me. I mean, I get cravings for *something* but instead of cigarettes now it's one of my PVs. Always happens after a meal, or when I'm drinking. I'm almost positive that if I had 0 nic in my juice and didn't know it, just using them would appease me enough. I've already dropped six mg from my original dosage (24mg to 18mg) and it's working out much better for me.
I finally got to try some WTA fluid from Aroma, and I am liking it a lot, can't wait to get my own! Here's my brief background...I would love to be one of those people who was able to make the instantaneous switch over when I first picked up a PV! Sadly I am one of those people who couldn't even get enough cigarette when I was smoking full time... I'd chain smoke and still feel like I wanted more! Serious, major addict! I know it isn't all about nicotine either because I have tried all different ranges and it matters little, except I will OD on too much and that isn't fun. Snus do help, but the texture and taste are a serious challenge for me. I have reduced my smoking a lot, but not entirely, and it's very frustrating! i Yo yo up and down depending on the day but can never manage to abstain 100%. At first I thought I was the only one, but over time I found others in the same or similar boat. It just sucks to be us huh? LOL.
From a strictly personal standpoint, I feel as if what is missing in vaping standard nic liquids (minus the those other alkaloids) translates into the guise of self medicating... hopping up those happy receptors that are broke or ......ed by themselves. The whole MAOI thing. I'm no chemist, but I get the gist. It makes sense most peeps don't need them, so don't use them. If it is riskier than tabacco alone so be it, it is still less so than burning tobacco, I'll take my chances. Who was it anyway that arbitrarily decided to extract only nicotine from tobacco and that became the "standard"? Seems very short-sighted to me when we know from past experience that the whole of a natural product has multiple benefits that work together to make the whole greater than the parts. Take an orange for example, sure vit C is great, but rutin, bioflavinoids, fiber, and a whole bunch of other stuff work synergistically to make that orange so much better for you than a pill or whatever. It really ruffles my feathers to hear the comments about risk of WTA's from people who have been sucking on carcinogen spewing chemical factories for years, and suddenly they are going to preach to the rest of us in the same boat? Be serious! Like we don't all know we are taking part in a big experiment here? We are all betting it is pretty darn safe, especially compared to what we were doing, but there's no guarantee, we are all just doing the best we can.
Sorry for rambling here, I guess I have too many things going through my head at once and mostly I just want to be an ex-smoker so I can hang out with my grandkids for a while and have some good years left if it isn't already too late. I know I feel so much better when I vape so why is it so damn hard to just do it?
From a strictly personal standpoint, I feel as if what is missing in vaping standard nic liquids (minus the those other alkaloids) translates into the guise of self medicating... hopping up those happy receptors that are broke or ......ed by themselves. The whole MAOI thing. I'm no chemist, but I get the gist. It makes sense most peeps don't need them, so don't use them. If it is riskier than tabacco alone so be it, it is still less so than burning tobacco, I'll take my chances. Who was it anyway that arbitrarily decided to extract only nicotine from tobacco and that became the "standard"? Seems very short-sighted to me when we know from past experience that the whole of a natural product has multiple benefits that work together to make the whole greater than the parts. Take an orange for example, sure vit C is great, but rutin, bioflavinoids, fiber, and a whole bunch of other stuff work synergistically to make that orange so much better for you than a pill or whatever. It really ruffles my feathers to hear the comments about risk of WTA's from people who have been sucking on carcinogen spewing chemical factories for years, and suddenly they are going to preach to the rest of us in the same boat? Be serious! Like we don't all know we are taking part in a big experiment here? We are all betting it is pretty darn safe, especially compared to what we were doing, but there's no guarantee, we are all just doing the best we can.
Sorry for rambling here, I guess I have too many things going through my head at once and mostly I just want to be an ex-smoker so I can hang out with my grandkids for a while and have some good years left if it isn't already too late. I know I feel so much better when I vape so why is it so damn hard to just do it?
Charliegirl, how many ml's and what mg did you get, and when will you get your own?
I am about to conduct my "experiment" from post #524.
I like your thinking....!!!
I'm not sure what you do for a living but I'm guessing tower work. If I need to go further I would venture to say you are on a Rohn 65G, maybe installing some superflex or some down tilt antennas.
I really value opposing views and its important that we hear them out.
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Well stated Charlie Girl and there's one thing I'd like to add to your appraisal. How much do we know about what's in that little pill the drug pushers in those white lab coats want us taking. Sure, the mix is identified, but do we really know, or does the FDA really know what effect it will have on our bodies? We do know how many times the Pharma industry ends up paying billions for the difference between the results they got in clinical trials and what happened after product launch, so we know there is a gap between testing and general use.
I'm willing to take my chances on that unknown as opposed to a status quo that BP failed to address many times in my life. If I'm wrong, at least it was my mistake.
I'm willing to take my chances on that unknown as opposed to a status quo that BP failed to address many times in my life. If I'm wrong, at least it was my mistake.
roth, I am 100% with you on that too. Even when they know it is crap with 10's or even 100's of side effects they still push it on us so as not to "waste" their research dollars and precious advertising. The side effects are often far worse than what the drug is supposed to treat! Although you gotta admit, that Chantix is a pretty great quit smoking drug... it's 100% effective at getting you to quit if you kill yourself, right? Yeah, good stuff.
You are so on point with your posts. I couldn't agree more. I too couldn't smoke enough cigarettes and didn't have my last one until WTA came into my vaping arsenal. Seven months since my last analog, and I could still easily fall back. It still a conscience decision/effort to ban them from my life each day. WTA helps me.
I am not implying that everyone is the same, I was just explaining the way nicotine effects the brain and how adding WTA to nicotine exaggerates those effects.
I think many users think that I am slamming WTA liquid, which I am most definitely not, but the gist of my argument, without getting into any technicalities, would be that a pure nicotine E-liquid, at the same dose, is a healthier option than a WTA liquid. Obviously that is not the case as most WTA users are reporting reduced nicotine intake. If we are debating satisfaction and quality of vaping, than there is no room for argument as everyone has their preference. The debate atm is really, is it better to vape large amounts of pure nicotine or small amounts of nicotine with WTA?
But I don't want to get on anyone's nerves so it would be better if I just shut my mouth already
Actually WTA has been around and used longer than just vaping nicquids or using your words "pure nicotine" which I don't believe we actually use....
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Alkaloids in ecig juice may be necessary for some people to completely make the transition from tobacco to vaping, but in my case it was not necessary at all. I smoke for 40 years and quit most of the habit the week I started vaping. I continued to smoke with coffee and after meals, smoking 6, 8, frequently 10 a day, down from 2-3 PAD ultralights when I quit.
I continued to smoke up to a half pack a day for two years after starting to vape. When I dropped them all a month ago, I found out that there was no downside. I coughed up phlegm for a week or two as my lungs began to clear, like most people who quit, and then the improvement started to really show. That was probably to do with an extended time at a lower tobacco consumption rate. I'd recommend that people taper off while vaping if they can't do the switch cold turkey.
If they can't quite by tapering, then WTA might be the answer. I think it's a good thing for the heavily addicted smoker.
I continued to smoke up to a half pack a day for two years after starting to vape. When I dropped them all a month ago, I found out that there was no downside. I coughed up phlegm for a week or two as my lungs began to clear, like most people who quit, and then the improvement started to really show. That was probably to do with an extended time at a lower tobacco consumption rate. I'd recommend that people taper off while vaping if they can't do the switch cold turkey.
If they can't quite by tapering, then WTA might be the answer. I think it's a good thing for the heavily addicted smoker.
Ack, I'm almost completely out of WTA (~4ml remaining) and you guys are driving me nuts talking about it.
I think the biggest drawback to WTA is running out!
I have been looking forward to WTA concentrate (never fails to sell out before I notice it's available) since I heard about WTA, mainly because there are blends I vape much more than others, and adjusting my ratios would be preferable than having a bunch of WTA in a blend I might puff once or twice a day. As it stands now, I just consume my favorite blends down to the least favorite ones until they're gone.
Yes, I do draw the last drop out of the bottle with a syringe (ok, ok, I only do that for blends I really enjoy). However, running out of WTA entirely in my currently hyper-stressful situation is making me seriously concerned for my vaping future. I am coping with a tropical-esque blend mixed with a few drops of a tasty tobacco flavor, but it's nothing like vaping a well-balanced WTA blend. Stretching the WTA is a necessity for me, mainly because I find myself less dependent on it and just enjoying my blends more without chain puffing the heck out of them.
I take on average about 4-5 puffs of my remaining WTA blends per hour or so. Though my taste for blends is rather peculiar when it comes to tobaccos (the more extreme or unique, the better), WTA adds a feel to each puff that isn't duplicated elsewhere. Most of the WTA blends I ordered were very high PG to VG; I shy away from high VG because it disagrees with me quite heavily in the congestion department and I like to vape a lot.
/end "Low on WTA" rant.
I think the biggest drawback to WTA is running out!
I have been looking forward to WTA concentrate (never fails to sell out before I notice it's available) since I heard about WTA, mainly because there are blends I vape much more than others, and adjusting my ratios would be preferable than having a bunch of WTA in a blend I might puff once or twice a day. As it stands now, I just consume my favorite blends down to the least favorite ones until they're gone.
Yes, I do draw the last drop out of the bottle with a syringe (ok, ok, I only do that for blends I really enjoy). However, running out of WTA entirely in my currently hyper-stressful situation is making me seriously concerned for my vaping future. I am coping with a tropical-esque blend mixed with a few drops of a tasty tobacco flavor, but it's nothing like vaping a well-balanced WTA blend. Stretching the WTA is a necessity for me, mainly because I find myself less dependent on it and just enjoying my blends more without chain puffing the heck out of them.
I take on average about 4-5 puffs of my remaining WTA blends per hour or so. Though my taste for blends is rather peculiar when it comes to tobaccos (the more extreme or unique, the better), WTA adds a feel to each puff that isn't duplicated elsewhere. Most of the WTA blends I ordered were very high PG to VG; I shy away from high VG because it disagrees with me quite heavily in the congestion department and I like to vape a lot.
/end "Low on WTA" rant.
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Ack, I'm almost completely out of WTA (~4ml remaining) and you guys are driving me nuts talking about it.
I think the biggest drawback to WTA is running out!
I have been looking forward to WTA concentrate (never fails to sell out before I notice it's available) since I heard about WTA, mainly because there are blends I vape much more than others, and adjusting my ratios would be preferable than having a bunch of WTA in a blend I might puff once or twice a day. As it stands now, I just consume my favorite blends down to the least favorite ones until they're gone.
Yes, I do draw the last drop out of the bottle with a syringe (ok, ok, I only do that for blends I really enjoy). However, running out of WTA entirely in my currently hyper-stressful situation is making me seriously concerned for my vaping future. I am coping with a tropical-esque blend mixed with a few drops of a tasty tobacco flavor, but it's nothing like vaping a well-balanced WTA blend. Stretching the WTA is a necessity for me, mainly because I find myself less dependent on it and just enjoying my blends more without chain puffing the heck out of them.
I take on average about 4-5 puffs of my remaining WTA blends per hour or so. Though my taste for blends is rather peculiar when it comes to tobaccos (the more extreme or unique, the better), WTA adds a feel to each puff that isn't duplicated elsewhere. Most of the WTA blends I ordered were very high PG to VG; I shy away from high VG because it disagrees with me quite heavily in the congestion department and I like to vape a lot.
/end "Low on WTA" rant.
What flavor is almost out? Which flavors from what vendors have you tried?
I really like the Aroma juices and it's a fantastic company to deal with, but I'm curious as to why no other vendors have entered the WTA market? I understand that Vapelicious is the only other vendor and I've yet to see their website up and running, so really Aroma is the only stable vendor in the market. It sure seems like the WTA market could support more vendors. Anyone know why there's no others out there?
To be honest, more than I can remember. WTA-wise, both Jerry's and Ethan's WTA. BWB, Virgin Vapor, IKV's RY4, Copper Creek, Hoosier E-cig's house blends. I can't say I liked everyone's blends, but I did enjoy the BWB Casablanca though it was on the dry side. I suppose I'm very fickle when it comes to what I vape, and I have only really enjoyed a select few blends. I don't need a blend to have WTA, but it does need to be smooth and rich with plenty of tobacco flavor. I will heartily assault a vanilla or fruit flavor though, as long as it's not overwhelming.
I have tried quite a few flavors of Ethan's WTA blends: Oakwood, Raspberry Lemon, Pear, Electric Cigarette, Trumpeter, several assorted test blends and 5 unique test flavors, Cafe Mocha, Honey Flue Cured, Cool Vanilla Mint, Peanut Butter (yeah, it does taste like peanut butter), & English Pipe.
Jerry's WTA blends: Menthol P-38 "Lightning Menthol", Beatle Juice, Turkish Blend, and G.I. Joe
Considering within the first 15 minutes I had WTA in my possession I decided cigarettes were obsolete, I heavily defend it and even recommend it to people I run into. I just wish you guys would send me cards when I order, perhaps with a little information on your services/blends so I could hand them out to people. I can't begin to tell you how many empiremods/ikenvape cards I've handed out to people genuinely interested in PV's/e-cigs, mainly because I can tell when they're sick of smoking- because I was there, too.
Given the choice between a tasty WTA blend or a foul-tasting little cigar, or cheap disgusting cigarette, people really light up when you tell them there's a better, more satisfying option. I do attempt to explain WTA to those who say they've tried e-cigs (usually they explain it's one of the cheap disposable e-cigs) and failed (I do mention that not everyone needs WTA to quit once they have a PV/E-cig), but I also explain it's what I'm using in the PV hanging from a lanyard on my neck that helped me drop cigarettes forever.
If I even help a single person drop cigarettes from doing this, I feel that's a huge difference I made in one persons life. Their success story may then passed be on to another, and another, and so on. It's all about harm reduction, and going from cigarettes to PV's is a major step forward for any smoker.
Easily understandable, but difficult to explain. It requires both the knowledge and resources/equipment to do an extraction, and also a significant amount of time on top of that. You also need to research how to do it properly in order to produce a quality and safe WTA extraction. The more you produce, the less it costs due to bulk discounts on your materials needed. However, not everyone is willing to invest that kind of money, though there are an equal number of people who are skeptical of WTA and its benefits.
Though it may take a while for Chinese labs to begin making full-spectrum tobacco extractions versus just extracting nicotine, I would be a little bit wary of purchasing WTA mass-produced in China, but it may very well start showing up at some point. You really never know what to expect in the future, but I feel whatever the impetus, it will result in WTA becoming more readily available.
I have tried quite a few flavors of Ethan's WTA blends: Oakwood, Raspberry Lemon, Pear, Electric Cigarette, Trumpeter, several assorted test blends and 5 unique test flavors, Cafe Mocha, Honey Flue Cured, Cool Vanilla Mint, Peanut Butter (yeah, it does taste like peanut butter), & English Pipe.
Jerry's WTA blends: Menthol P-38 "Lightning Menthol", Beatle Juice, Turkish Blend, and G.I. Joe
Considering within the first 15 minutes I had WTA in my possession I decided cigarettes were obsolete, I heavily defend it and even recommend it to people I run into. I just wish you guys would send me cards when I order, perhaps with a little information on your services/blends so I could hand them out to people. I can't begin to tell you how many empiremods/ikenvape cards I've handed out to people genuinely interested in PV's/e-cigs, mainly because I can tell when they're sick of smoking- because I was there, too.
Given the choice between a tasty WTA blend or a foul-tasting little cigar, or cheap disgusting cigarette, people really light up when you tell them there's a better, more satisfying option. I do attempt to explain WTA to those who say they've tried e-cigs (usually they explain it's one of the cheap disposable e-cigs) and failed (I do mention that not everyone needs WTA to quit once they have a PV/E-cig), but I also explain it's what I'm using in the PV hanging from a lanyard on my neck that helped me drop cigarettes forever.
If I even help a single person drop cigarettes from doing this, I feel that's a huge difference I made in one persons life. Their success story may then passed be on to another, and another, and so on. It's all about harm reduction, and going from cigarettes to PV's is a major step forward for any smoker.
Easily understandable, but difficult to explain. It requires both the knowledge and resources/equipment to do an extraction, and also a significant amount of time on top of that. You also need to research how to do it properly in order to produce a quality and safe WTA extraction. The more you produce, the less it costs due to bulk discounts on your materials needed. However, not everyone is willing to invest that kind of money, though there are an equal number of people who are skeptical of WTA and its benefits.
Though it may take a while for Chinese labs to begin making full-spectrum tobacco extractions versus just extracting nicotine, I would be a little bit wary of purchasing WTA mass-produced in China, but it may very well start showing up at some point. You really never know what to expect in the future, but I feel whatever the impetus, it will result in WTA becoming more readily available.
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Thanks Mike, what are we, like super addicts or something? LOL. Big congrats to you on your amazing success though, I needed to hear that! Can I ask a personal question? Based on the theory that our brain chemistry is the root of our need for WTA's have you ever found yourself feeling depressed or really out of sorts without them? I know of some people who did originally switch to vaping and were fine for a while, and then found themselves sinking into a funk and really needing that "something" that straight vaping doesn't deliver. Once they started on snus, WTA's or antidepressants, they were better, so there seems to be a very valid yet specialized connection. That explains why so many don't need it, but the ones who do, REALLY do!!! I also have chronic pain issues and I have always said that smoking offered a small but noticeable amount of pain relief, (I' guess because the same receptors are involved,) contrary to what I've read. Vaping does not. Vaping with WTA's and using snu's DOES. Only my observations, YMMV. My point here is for some of us, nicotine alone does not cut it. (If it does, fine, you don't need to try anything else or give us advice. Period. If it does not apply to you, go read about the latest mod or something, please.) I just can't wait to have some WTA fluids on hand! I also hope to get the "pure" form since I DIY mostly an can add it to my own mixes, but I will take what I can get and be happy! And a HUGE thanks to DVAP and the other geniuses who did all the work on this for us! You rock!!!
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