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Well, this won't be a popular idea with consumers, but charge what it costs plus what you need to keep perfecting your system with a fair profit. If you're the only vendor willing to invest in it in it's infancy, you deserve to be paid what that's worth, imo, because you're the one taking the initial risks- it makes sense to let your customers support that if they're willing to.

I would pay a premium for the extract because it doesn't take a lot, and it would transform many other juices into WTA...which would be lovely. I have vaped WTA day today and not once felt a slight jitter. Oh how wonderful it would be to have all my juices up to speed...or better yet, have all my juices slow down. LOL
 

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I would pay a premium for the extract because it doesn't take a lot, and it would transform many other juices into WTA...which would be lovely. I have vaped WTA day today and not once felt a slight jitter. Oh how wonderful it would be to have all my juices up to speed...or better yet, have all my juices slow down. LOL

For me, it would be worth it to be able to choose for myself when I need it and how much I need, or if I even need it or not that day. WTA doesn't seem like something I want to buy a 2 dollar sample of for a taste- I want to try it for a week or so to find out if it really helps me, and if it does, I want to know the vendor can afford to keep producing it. If that costs more, it's worth it.
 

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For me, it would be worth it to be able to choose for myself when I need it and how much I need, or if I even need it or not that day. WTA doesn't seem like something I want to buy a 2 dollar sample of for a taste- I want to try it for a week or so to find out if it really helps me, and if it does, I want to know the vendor can afford to keep producing it. If that costs more, it's worth it.

Another key point is that with your own extract, you could regulate how much you want to add or not. Low, medium and high doesn't quite measure up to your own ability to drop as needed.
 

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Another key point is that with your own extract, you could regulate how much you want to add or not. Low, medium and high doesn't quite measure up to your own ability to drop as needed.

Absolutely. Today was a great day- easy day for an ex-smoker kind of day, and I actually didn't vape much at all. Tomorrow, however, already has me nervous. Such is my life.
 

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Well, this won't be a popular idea with consumers, but charge what it costs plus what you need to keep perfecting your system with a fair profit. If you're the only vendor willing to invest in it in it's infancy, you deserve to be paid what that's worth, imo, because you're the one taking the initial risks- it makes sense to let your customers support that if they're willing to.
ROFL..... :) I agree with your philosophy....however there is a large amount of consumers that feel its already too costly. What they fail to realize is the history with eliquids. I remember paying over $1.50 per ml on imported (average) eliquids back in early 2009. I also remember at the time there were only a few pieces of hardware such as the 801, 901, and 4081.....this was before the 510 even came out. I also remember working a lot less, with great profit margins. sigh..... :(
 

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Dragonbone, If you haven't tried them yet and are curious, I really think you should! Before I began vaping, I did a lot of research on what kind of flavor I was looking for, and was also looking for something that had the X Factor: that elusive quality many vapers look for but have trouble finding. After reading AaronY's positive write-up I went over to Aroma Ejuice. And well, Jerry delivered it, I toked it, and the rest is history. P-38 has a very smooth, intricate flavor that finds an awesome balance between the gentleness of vaping and the raunch of an old-fashioned cigarette. I've tried other juices, but he really has set the bar quite high, IMO.
 
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I think he's talking about the flavors offered by one vendor. He/she might be just as picky as me.

I strongly advise trying both vendors before drawing any conclusions on WTA juices. Indeed, they are quite different... one's juices necessarily require shaking, the other's do not. One's VG-heavy, the other's can be mixed to the customer's needs. One's flavors are original and unique, the other's seem off-the-shelf (with an exception or two?). One offers "one size fits all", the other allows you to choose the concentration of WTA. One's a flavor artist, the other's a better businessman. One's a master PR-man, the other relies on WOM.

As for my tastes, one vendor has only one flavor (of several i've tried) that i can enjoy, the other has 4-5 juices that i rely on and use regularly prior to bedtime. Although "one" vendor has just one regular juice that i really like, i liked a sample of something that is not yet offered... so, there you go.

Note: i mixed "One" and "Other" on purpose... I urge you to take your WTA juice seriously and not limit yourselves to the hype of one vendor over another. These are hard working individuals and they both deserve consideration. I have no loyalty to either... They've both disappointed me at times and they're both probably cursing my name as they read this [I hope they won't poison my future orders..]

It sucks enough that we have only two WTA vendors, so don't limit yourself to one.

Lastly, if WTA really is the future, we're going to need more vendors, aren't we?

Good night,
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how hard is it to get WTA up there? Do you have to drive to the border and bring it in yourself?

No it gets delivered right to my mailbox, takes a little longer since it's an international shipment, about 10 days in total from the date of order, which is pretty fast. Canadians order a lot of juice from the U.S. in spite of their being quite a few vendors up here, because of the better prices and selection. It's no problem at all to get it shipped up, there's a very small chance that customs might send it back but that's no big deal at all.
 

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I'm with James1215. I want vaping to be as far from analogs as possible. Vaping is what got me off analogs. I don't want anything to do with them anymore. Also, I don't want big brother getting involved in the vaping industry. They've gotten their fingers into too many of my pies! Just my opinion.

Well the furthest from analogs would be to just quit. WTA has nothing to do with analogs. It does have something to do with tobacco, but so does all juice. It's a little closer to tobacco with the additional alkaloids in there besides nicotine, but for a lot of us it's the tobacco experience we seek here. So if you're looking for a smoking replacement, it only makes sense to at least consider a higher quality one than a lower quality one, that really doesn't emulate smoking, it only emulates NRT's, and does that pretty well in fact. NRTs are known to not be very effective of course.

I'm not sure how big brother is more of a concern with WTA, perhaps I am taking your comment out of context, but they tend to go after the big people, not some small niche company. I think that they tried going after vaping down there in the U.S. but failed. Here in Canada the sale and importation of nic juice is prohibited, people have even had their hardware seized at the border, however we vape all we want and order all we want anyway.

I'm definitely in the camp that suggests people not get involved politically and leave sleeping dogs lie, we all have it good right now, as close to perfect in fact as we could ever get.
 

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I think he's talking about the flavors offered by one vendor. He/she might be just as picky as me.

I strongly advise trying both vendors before drawing any conclusions on WTA juices. Indeed, they are quite different... one's juices necessarily require shaking, the other's do not. One's VG-heavy, the other's can be mixed to the customer's needs. One's flavors are original and unique, the other's seem off-the-shelf (with an exception or two?). One offers "one size fits all", the other allows you to choose the concentration of WTA. One's a flavor artist, the other's a better businessman. One's a master PR-man, the other relies on WOM.

As for my tastes, one vendor has only one flavor (of several i've tried) that i can enjoy, the other has 4-5 juices that i rely on and use regularly prior to bedtime. Although "one" vendor has just one regular juice that i really like, i liked a sample of something that is not yet offered... so, there you go.

Note: i mixed "One" and "Other" on purpose... I urge you to take your WTA juice seriously and not limit yourselves to the hype of one vendor over another. These are hard working individuals and they both deserve consideration. I have no loyalty to either... They've both disappointed me at times and they're both probably cursing my name as they read this [I hope they won't poison my future orders..]

It sucks enough that we have only two WTA vendors, so don't limit yourself to one.

Lastly, if WTA really is the future, we're going to need more vendors, aren't we?

Good night,
dream well..

Good luck trying to order from this other vendor. Back a couple months ago when I started looking for WTA he didn't have his website up, and he still doesn't. Aroma at least had a website, although they didn't have an option to order from Canada. So I wrote both of them, this website down guy didn't bother to write back, Jerry from Aroma did, and while he told me he didn't ship outside the U.S., he was willing to work with me on that, and went to some trouble to not only ship an order to me, but also to make his site available to all my countrymen who wanted WTA.

I've placed a couple more orders since and I couldn't be happier with both the quality of the juice and the high quality of the service from Aroma. The other guy, well I see his site still isn't up. He's also had issues with the forum where I believe he's banned, and I did see him making some disparaging remarks about Aroma in his blog, lame things like we need to wonder why Aroma suggests that their juice be shaken and he doesn't.

For the record, I've used Aroma juice both shaken and unshaken, when I forgot to, and didn't notice any difference. It doesn't hurt to shake all juice in fact to get the flavors mixed and what not.

You can get both VG heavy juice (90 VG) and PG heavy (80 PG) so you can get whatever you want. I've never heard of anyone who has ordered from this other guy, you must be a close personal friend because regular folks can't order from there. I don't know this guy, I do know Jerry quite well from all the PM's we've exchanged over this time. I also like a real site and not just someone's email address which is all I've seen from that site in dozens of visits to it.

For me there is not two but one vendor, however that one vendor is outstanding and when I find a place I like I tend to stick to it anyway. I need someone that I can get a hold of and who doesn't run their business in such a wishy washy fashion, and also who is so prone to uncalled for attacks on their competition.

So by all means, if people want to try this other guy go ahead, I'm not going to bother though and in my mind there is absolutely no need :)

As far as the people wanting WTA concentrate, I wouldn't let that stop you from ordering, as the regular juices are high quality anyway. Personally I mix them with regular juice as WTA is too relaxing to vape by itself and have had excellent results. I went back to vaping non WTA juice for the first time in 6 weeks yesterday and can't believe the difference. So if you want to find out for yourself I definitely recommend this stuff.
 
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I doubt this is true, as this isn't just something that people mix up in their kitchens. It requires a big investment of equipment and therefore quite a bit of organization and business acumen, and I would then expect that well prior to such a place opening for business there would be a lot more information out there than just a vague rumor like this.

As far as resellers go, as far as I know it would be next to impossible to get the kind volume of WTA concentrate that you'd need to start this up on any scale.

On the other hand, maybe someone is soaking tobacco in their bathtub and will try to pass off macerated juice as WTA like some guy in Canada tried to do ;)
 
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