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Hardy har har. :laugh: I was feeling very playful last night as I got incredible news that transformed my life! I was referring to some stuff (LOL) that I had from a while back, but I didn't want to create any unnecessary buzz about something that wasn't currently available.

Well congrats on your good news!
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I haven't posted here in a while, but I do try to keep up on the discussions and news. I wasn't trying to bust on ya,
 

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Well congrats on your good news!
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I haven't posted here in a while, but I do try to keep up on the discussions and news. I wasn't trying to bust on ya,

Oh I know...it's all good! Thanks for the congrats. I was glad I had WTA to get me through an anxious three minutes last night! But, enough about that for now. Good to see you Mike.
 
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tobacco absolute is a flavoring. In other words, it is looking to get a more tobacco tasting flavor out of the tobacco plant. WTA involves the intentional extraction of other alkaloids besides nicotine. It is not a matter of soaking or boiling the tobacco or whatever, it involves a chemical process in the lab.

So in one case you are looking for a more genuine tobacco flavor, and in the other case you are adding tasteless elements extracted from tobacco.
I can taste the difference between an extraction and one made of flavor. I agree WTA adds alot to the flavor when done right in Aromas P-38 for instance :)
Can you really not taste the difference from tobacco flavors and extractions? If so that rare or common?
 

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The FDA probably has never heard of WTA, and I seriously doubt that they care either, given that it is only a miniscule part of the overall business. There's nothing particularly offensive with it from a regulation standpoint either, as it is still a tobacco extraction, only the process is a little different. These people object to nicotine juice enough. I think that some vapers think that this is some sort of Frankenstein concoction and then project their unreasoned fears on the government as well.

So I went to this site and they are saying that they won't sell it until they "have enough data to support it as a safe and viable addition." This is kind of funny as it's not an addition, they are removing it now as this is already a constituent of tobacco. I think that this is something a lot of people get confused about. What's evil about tobacco is due to burning it and inhaling the fumes. So that's something I've done for several decades and I don't need data to tell me I am far better off.

Shortly after I quit smoking I looked into both Swedish Snus and WTA. My intent wasn't to find which is highest in safety as I knew both were much, much safer than smoking, something that no one would dispute. Now as far as I'm concerned there's already more than enough science supporting Swedish Snus, which we know is a tobacco product that contains nicotine and minor alkaloids along with whatever else and has been shown to be pretty benign. WTA only contains nicotine and minor alkaloids. So by a simple inference we can assume with a high degree of confidence that WTA is at least as safe as Swedish snus.

So I ended up going with WTA mostly because I like to vape instead of using oral tobacco. Snus has removed certain constituents that regular smokeless tobacco contains which is the reason for its much higher safety profile. WTA isn't one of them. I cannot think of a good reason why anyone would be concerned about WTA, and we'd really need long term human studies like they have with Swedish snus to have the same level of confidence.

I can't imagine any need for it though, but of course there will be people that insist on it. We don't have any such studies for vaping regular juice though which is more than just nicotine as we know. All vapers are relying on reasoned judgement to determine that there is some big time harm reduction in vaping versus smoking, and vaping WTA isn't really fundamentally different.

Of course we all need to make up our own minds about whether or not we want to use something like WTA or not, however we need to try to use the same quality of thinking that we used to get turned on to vaping in the first place, and if we do that, and be guided by reason instead of unbased fear, then we are free to judge each product by their own merits, as we need to.

Excellent post King! Well spoken. I don't understand the paranoia about WTA nor the ongoing debates. If you think you need it, try it. If you don't, don't worry about it! It is really that simple! If I had the money, trust me, I would have gallons of the stuff! Especially now! After 10 months of vaping I just could not cut the ties with analogs. I went from 2+ packs a day to less than 1/2 pack, but just felt stuck there. A friend that lives here bought some WTA from Aroma and let me try a carto full. That was the closest I came to not smoking up until that point. I loved it! But money is tight. I can't work and our income is very limited. Part of the reason I started vaping was to save money. I even DIY to save more, but having to still buy cigarettes just got to be too much. So five days ago I woke up, got rid of everything related to smoking and started vaping my brains out. I am surviving, but I would kill for some WTA! Luckily I have some snus a friend sent me a while back and that does help the cravings, but to be honest, they make me want to lose my cookies! I can't see how people like them, they are like little salty phlegmballs! Ugh. But they do have WTF. The debate about whether or not it works is such B.S.! It works! (Otherwise I would never put something that disgusting near my mouth!) I would 500% rather be vaping some of Jerry's P-38... or anything there!!! No question, no debate!
 

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Excellent post King! Well spoken. I don't understand the paranoia about WTA nor the ongoing debates. If you think you need it, try it. If you don't, don't worry about it! It is really that simple! If I had the money, trust me, I would have gallons of the stuff! Especially now! After 10 months of vaping I just could not cut the ties with analogs. I went from 2+ packs a day to less than 1/2 pack, but just felt stuck there. A friend that lives here bought some WTA from Aroma and let me try a carto full. That was the closest I came to not smoking up until that point. I loved it! But money is tight. I can't work and our income is very limited. Part of the reason I started vaping was to save money. I even DIY to save more, but having to still buy cigarettes just got to be too much. So five days ago I woke up, got rid of everything related to smoking and started vaping my brains out. I am surviving, but I would kill for some WTA! Luckily I have some snus a friend sent me a while back and that does help the cravings, but to be honest, they make me want to lose my cookies! I can't see how people like them, they are like little salty phlegmballs! Ugh. But they do have WTF. The debate about whether or not it works is such B.S.! It works! (Otherwise I would never put something that disgusting near my mouth!) I would 500% rather be vaping some of Jerry's P-38... or anything there!!! No question, no debate!


CharlieGirl,

Where o' where have you been? I have really missed speaking with you and reading your messages. So you would kill for some? All my antagonists better watch out..hahaha J/K

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I can taste the difference between an extraction and one made of flavor. I agree WTA adds alot to the flavor when done right in Aromas P-38 for instance :)
Can you really not taste the difference from tobacco flavors and extractions? If so that rare or common?

I'm not sure why you are asking me this, as I'm not a big tobacco fan, but I would assume that you could taste the difference otherwise why would people bother soaking it or whatever?
 

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Does anyone have a recommendation on what tanks to use with the WTA? (and also withstand Rawr juice) I've been using the Phiniac on my Ego Twist and that works fine for me. My bf on the other hand doesn't want to use the phiniac stating its too heavy. I got the SMOKTech 510 Pro Dual Coil Tank and the eGo CE4 PLUS V2. He said apparently with the WTA/ Rawr juice mix the tanks cracked. Any suggestion on what I can replace these with? I wanted to try the PHOENiX Tank from gotvapes but they're all sold out for the moment. Any help is appreciated!
 
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Does anyone have a recommendation on what tanks to use with the WTA? (and also withstand Rawr juice) I've been using the Phiniac on my Ego Twist and that works fine for me. My bf on the other hand doesn't want to use the phiniac stating its too heavy. I got the SMOKTech 510 Pro Dual Coil Tank and the eGo CE4 PLUS V2. He said apparently with the WTA/ Rawr juice mix the tanks cracked. Any suggestion on what I can replace these with? I wanted to try the PHOENiX Tank from gotvapes but they're all sold out for the moment. Any help is appreciated!
It might be the other juice you are mixing it with. I use a surge tank. But I have not seen any other reports of wta cracking tanks.
 

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Excellent post King! Well spoken. I don't understand the paranoia about WTA nor the ongoing debates. If you think you need it, try it. If you don't, don't worry about it! It is really that simple! If I had the money, trust me, I would have gallons of the stuff! Especially now! After 10 months of vaping I just could not cut the ties with analogs. I went from 2+ packs a day to less than 1/2 pack, but just felt stuck there. A friend that lives here bought some WTA from Aroma and let me try a carto full. That was the closest I came to not smoking up until that point. I loved it! But money is tight. I can't work and our income is very limited. Part of the reason I started vaping was to save money. I even DIY to save more, but having to still buy cigarettes just got to be too much. So five days ago I woke up, got rid of everything related to smoking and started vaping my brains out. I am surviving, but I would kill for some WTA! Luckily I have some snus a friend sent me a while back and that does help the cravings, but to be honest, they make me want to lose my cookies! I can't see how people like them, they are like little salty phlegmballs! Ugh. But they do have WTF. The debate about whether or not it works is such B.S.! It works! (Otherwise I would never put something that disgusting near my mouth!) I would 500% rather be vaping some of Jerry's P-38... or anything there!!! No question, no debate!

I think it might be genetic most of the people I know try wta and are like wow. But some vaped from the same atty the juice that is making me feel great and they don't feel a thing. But i agree Aroma P-38 is amazing. I got a tin of snus and it is hardly touched and it has been a year. :)
 

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I have some snus a friend sent me a while back and that does help the cravings, but to be honest, they make me want to lose my cookies! I can't see how people like them, they are like little salty phlegmballs! Ugh.

Charliegirl, that is precisely why there should be numerous smokeless products on the market. Some can use regular nicquid and they're happy as a pig in mud. Others find Swedish snus satisfies their needs, others nasal snuff or some other form of smokeless product. As long as the product works to separate the smoker from the cigarettes.

I'm one of the Swedish snus lover. It did take a bit as the saltiness was obvious at first and not all snus is created equal. I have had snus that wanted to make me gag, but once I found the right brands, all was right with the world. I actually bought WTA liquid to see if it would replace the snus, but I found I didn't want to replace it. I just vape WTA now as a treat.

Last night I went out for the evening. I might have taken 6 puffs on my E cig. Somewhere during the evening I got the urge for a bit of a rush and pulled out some Ozona raspberry menthol snuff, the first time I used snuff in weeks. I was home by 11:30 and decided I wanted some General Mint. It just hit me, I only had two portions all day and had gone the whole evening without any. It's been months since I thought of a cigarette and I know I have the tools to avoid smoking the next time, if there is one, that I think I need one.
 
After reading 15 pages of this thread I am going to order me some this evening. I have only made it down to about 4 analogs a day and have been vaping now for a month or so. Maybe this is what I need to kick them totally out of my life.
Then like I was reading in another thread, I need to stock up and work toward 0 nic so when all the politicians and big tobacco co's get there paws in it we can stop all together if the need arises in the future.

Thanks for all of the great information
Dan
BTW - what is swedish SNUS and where do you you get it. I live in the states and we have SNUS ,,, like made by Camel and marlboro, but those are nasty and give me hella heartburn.
 
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Most fine tobacco shops sell "General" snus. I think it is the swedish snus or you can order it on line. It is way way different the marbro and camel versions. It still is nasty. But I think it is cheaper then ordering stuff from online. Good luck with WTA. I hope it helps you. :)

After reading 15 pages of this thread I am going to order me some this evening. I have only made it down to about 4 analogs a day and have been vaping now for a month or so. Maybe this is what I need to kick them totally out of my life.
Then like I was reading in another thread, I need to stock up and work toward 0 nic so when all the politicians and big tobacco co's get there paws in it we can stop all together if the need arises in the future.

Thanks for all of the great information
Dan
BTW - what is swedish SNUS and where do you you get it. I live in the states and we have SNUS ,,, like made by Camel and marlboro, but those are nasty and give me hella heartburn.
 

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After reading 15 pages of this thread I am going to order me some this evening. I have only made it down to about 4 analogs a day and have been vaping now for a month or so. Maybe this is what I need to kick them totally out of my life.
Then like I was reading in another thread, I need to stock up and work toward 0 nic so when all the politicians and big tobacco co's get there paws in it we can stop all together if the need arises in the future.

Thanks for all of the great information
Dan
BTW - what is swedish SNUS and where do you you get it. I live in the states and we have SNUS ,,, like made by Camel and marlboro, but those are nasty and give me hella heartburn.

You don't sound like a good candidate for Swedish snus. You probably would have the same opinion of Scotch as a drink. Both are an acquired taste. I miss my Scotch but I gave that up (for the most part) when I gave up smoking. I never thought about that until right now. It might have something to do with taste buds. :) And age.

Today I can spend 4 or 5 hours in a bar and only have 2 or 3 drinks, not necessarily with alcohol.
 

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You don't sound like a good candidate for Swedish snus. You probably would have the same opinion of Scotch as a drink. Both are an acquired taste. I miss my Scotch but I gave that up (for the most part) when I gave up smoking. I never thought about that until right now. It might have something to do with taste buds. :) And age.

Today I can spend 4 or 5 hours in a bar and only have 2 or 3 drinks, not necessarily with alcohol.

Ain't it funny how one thing is so connected to another? Smoking was connected to a host of other things that I will keep out of this post! I never knew that smoking carried with it as much peripheral baggage as it did. When I consider the monetary savings with the end of smoking, I also have to factor in a whole lot of other money that was ill spent! Congrats to you, me and everyone else on this journey!
 
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