WTA is the future

[rothenbj]

I'm very much against the FDA sticking its greedy paws into our business -- by the same token, I also view with distaste anything that might give them more of an excuse than they already have to do so; on that basis, I need to weigh how I feel about WTA e-juice.

I couldn't agree with you more and since I use zero nic liquid, I view with distaste anything that might give them more of an excuse than they already have to do so; on that basis, I need to weigh how I feel about any juice that contains nicotine.

Of course I don't mean that, since I only use WTA liquid, but are you better than I or anyone else just because you're you? In fact, on my next order I'll ask for a bottle with 0 nic and only the WTA added. If that satisfies my need we accomplish two things- I don't need the liquid that the FDA wants to prohibit AND I make my usage undetectable by Obama-care.

How about those that are just satisfied with a 2-4mg nic liquid? Should they have a distaste for anyone that suggests that you need anything more than that level? Perhaps the Blu or Njoy users have a distaste for anyone that doesn't use something that looks like a mini pipe bomb.

The truth of the matter is I used to smoke 2-3 PAD and smoked for 43 years. Then I vaped regular nic juice with anywhere from 12-48mg of nic pretty much more than I smoked trying to find the right level and amount to get me to totally quit smoking, none of it worked. Over three years ago I had my last drag on a cigarette and it wasn't accomplished with e cigs. Snus was my answer, but I was still vaping pretty much like I smoked before. Perhaps 3-5ml a day, depending on the day and 4-5 snus portions. Then WTA came along. Today I am still at 4-5 portion of snus and I only vape as a treat. For me WTA is more like having a cigar with a drink. If I use 2ml a week, it was a heavy week.

So while you're busy throwing people under the bus, consider the next bus just may be for you. Only you can protect the next smoker.

 

[rothenbj]

All I can say is, WTA got me to the point I can do without analogs...and I can now do without WTA...and most surprising of ALL, I can do without vaping for several days at a time, with ZERO 'nic fits'!

However, I LOVE vaping, and a little bit of nic keeps my spirit feeling more settled. Between Aroma and Vapelicious, the latter did 'the job' for me, but I sincerely appreciate BOTH vendors, and keep a supply of WTA on hand just in case I feel that monkey crawling up my back again! (It hasn't happened often, but a 3rd bourbon and coke has been known to invite 'the craving' to party with me! That's when I pull out the Xtra high WTA! )

@Mr Mann - HOWDY! Haven't seen you around much lately, but I can see by the number of posts under your name, you've been a busy boy!

Good to C U again!

Hi Mike, haven't been here for a while either. Glad to hear it's worked for you. As you could have read from my previous post, I'm pretty much a minimalist at this point. What I found funny is your comment about bourbon and coke and wta. Mine is Captain and coke. For me it's like a drink and a cigar that I don't have to keep lit. A couple puffs here and there and I'm good to go.

 

[Little Bob]

It does sound just what i needed when i first quit the real thing but i think im over the worst now and would not want 'To put myself back' if you get what i mean by using WTA.

Out of curiosity is their even a UK supplier of it?

 

[snork]

It does sound just what i needed when i first quit the real thing but i think im over the worst now and would not want 'To put myself back' if you get what i mean by using WTA.

Out of curiosity is their even a UK supplier of it?

I don't think there's a UK supplier but am pretty sure the two here ship there. And I know exactly what you mean. If you are satisfied with how things are going it makes no sense to vape any more anything than necessary. But just so things stay perfectly clear, my experience with WTA has never drawn me back to desiring a cigarette (quite the contrary) and has not increased my "addiction". In fact I vape less.

 

[Faylool]

That's the problem. There seems to be only 2 suppliers and one is very slow. I don't think there are any other.But what they all do in Europe and UK areas might be different. If you are getting by without it that's great. Save a lot of $ and inconvenience

 

[rothenbj]

I don't think there's a UK supplier but am pretty sure the two here ship there. And I know exactly what you mean. If you are satisfied with how things are going it makes no sense to vape any more anything than necessary. But just so things stay perfectly clear, my experience with WTA has never drawn me back to desiring a cigarette (quite the contrary) and has not increased my "addiction". In fact I vape less.

Totally agree Snork. I only tried WTA because it wasn't available when I was battling off those last few analogs and found snus. I was curious as to whether WTA could replace both snus and nicquid. However, after getting it, I never stopped using snus because I really like it. It's convenient, hassle free and relatively inexpensive.

What I did find was I could replace the nicquid, that I was still using a lot of, with a more expensive WTA product that I used very little of. I also found it quite satisfying in small doses. I went from spending around $150 a week ($200 in today's dollars) to around $10 and that includes a new PV & supplies here and there as the technology changes. A can of snus and a ml or two a week is really inexpensive and I can't complain health wise about the change.

 

[AaronY]

I've thought about your question for quite awhile.
I disagree. I think the last thing any ingredient ought to do is hide behind interesting packaging, claims, disclaimers or advertising. It is what it is.

I think if a product clearly states what is in it and the potential damage/ help they can make packaging better. Have something like the aroma FAQ on the bottles or a small part and suggestion to go to the website. I think it will help. Why do you disagree? Aesthetics or something more?

 

[snork]

I think if a product clearly states what is in it and the potential damage/ help they can make packaging better. Have something like the aroma FAQ on the bottles or a small part and suggestion to go to the website. I think it will help. Why do you disagree? Aesthetics or something more?

Oh, I see what you're saying, sorry. You were talking about informing the customer, getting the word out. I took it as *hiding* something from the FDA. Duh me. So yeah, I agree!

Oh, I have to come back and edit/add:
I don't know if this product will ever be part of the lexicon of your average vaper. I think it might always be a niche product. But what I try to do is either educate people about it or try to get them to realize that to treat it like it was some sort of pariah is a disservice to the vaping community in the long run. I don't know that packaging or FAQs will ever do that considering that somehow along the line a certain number of people got this irrational (my opinion) attitude about it, almost like a racial prejudice. Combatting that sort of thing almost requires a personal presence.

rothenbj summed up my attitude real nice up there ^ somewhere.

 

[Faylool]

Yes. Nicotine purists. There may be new niche. O nicotine vapor purists. We are a herd animal after all I guess in civilized society. In the horse world if you throw 3 or more Tennesse Walkers, the same number of Arabians and then some quarter horses too, generally speaking they stick with their own kind out there. Depending of course on the lack of a super strong leader out there but generally speaking. Interesting. It's been a bit of a problem for me to communicate in posts because some posts I want to respond to differently than I do so I don't look like I'm trying to bring people over to "the dark side". I learned that from someone when I did indeed enter the dark side. Ha ha. So if it's talking about vaping, the post, I stick with the subject and that includes suggesting WTA for people who mention they vape all the time and don't feel satisfied so on and so forth. If the post is talking about snus and snuff and stuff then I wouldn't be jumping in with ideas about vaping instead blah blah blah. Although I think the alternatives to smoking section is not very active, but then it's an extremely quick study. I think any WTA posting could accommodate lots of discussion about the WTAs available in non smoking tobacco alternatives. It's very generous and wise of ecf to include the category because there has been a lot of study clearing up the propaganda about them and they are indeed very effective at getting people off smoking or at least serve as a reasonable stepping stone in the process of eliminating addiction of that nature AND affordable. I wanted to eliminate the smoking addiction because it was very unhealthy, but being addicted to something isn't a sin in my world. Other people on the other hand are more purists and that's all good. It's all for the greater good. I once was a Parelli Natural Horsemanship self proclaimed PURIST. When I got deeper into the program and learned and learned I realized his program offers a lot of options to make your own creative choices using the knowledge his program as given to deal with the particular problem with a given horse in a given environment in a given condition on a given day, be it windy cold, sunny calm and so on. It's never just simple. I use the tools and knowledge from other Natural Horsemanship programs now when it suits me and the horse.
Ecf is here to help people. To give them as many tools as possible to not smoke and enjoy the experience. So the tools and how to use them, the knowledge and the support works to help people to succeed. Knowledge is such a key ingredient and it blows my mind when people simply don't read the resources provided by this forum. They simply don't visit a lot of places. I understand. Who has the time? And some times it's pretty heady stuff. Iread until I saw I was no longer comprehending what I was reading and got off the site in the beginning and get back on another day. And I'm an avid reader too. Writer sometimes hah and so I end because there should be no debate about WTAs unless people are wanting to endanger health like smoking does. Read all the stuff and make your own choice. Yes, WTAs are addicting Yes so is nicotine. If your on the path to eliminating addiction then use it as a stepping stone if you need to. Being free from addiction is indeed a natural high and very freeing. To each his own. In my context I eliminated my addiction to alcohol by totally quitting. For me, relatively speaking, WTAs snus, and snuff are like child's play and they are like child's play compared to a life long addiction to smoking cigarettes too.

 

[AaronY]

Oh, I see what you're saying, sorry. You were talking about informing the customer, getting the word out. I took it as *hiding* something from the FDA. Duh me. So yeah, I agree!

Oh, I have to come back and edit/add:
I don't know if this product will ever be part of the lexicon of your average vaper. I think it might always be a niche product. But what I try to do is either educate people about it or try to get them to realize that to treat it like it was some sort of pariah is a disservice to the vaping community in the long run. I don't know that packaging or FAQs will ever do that considering that somehow along the line a certain number of people got this irrational (my opinion) attitude about it, almost like a racial prejudice. Combatting that sort of thing almost requires a personal presence.

I am glad you agree. I hope it becomes more then a niche product but I guess time will tell.

 

[rothenbj]

I am glad you agree. I hope it becomes more then a niche product but I guess time will tell.

I think it will always be an alternative that people will only look at if niquid just doesn't cut it. I know that there is a lot of resistance to smokeless tobacco after decades of being told that it was worse than smoking and that your mouth will fall off if you use it. I was right in that theater prior to being talked to about snus. However, I was also not getting completely off cigarettes and, after six months, I wanted to.

Had WTA been available back then, I probably wouldn't have learned about snus. I'm sure WTA would have resolved the issue I had with that "something missing". However, at this point, I could live a lot easier with only snus rather than only WTA. The hand to mouth habit was erased after well over three years on this journey and there is absolutely no maintenance or hassles with snus.

So you have a large segment of the smoking population that niquid is fine for, a segment that the nic isn't that important when they have the hand to mouth replacement an e cig offers and people like me that find those alkaloids in another form of tobacco. What's left is the WTA liquid market.

 

[AaronY]

I already posted this question on another thread but you guys might know. Does NET ejuice have a small amount of WTA or do they filter it out?

 

[snork]

I doubt that whatever small amount of WTA which may be present in a NET is dealt with in any way. "Filtering it out" surely would be quite an involved process.

 

[rothenbj]

It's so good to see this thread come back to life!
AaronY, you said your cravings are gone, fantastic! So your analog cravings quit, *and* you don't crave WTA? Big step! Sounds like it helped exactly the way we thought it would. All you guys.

Me? I like WTA as much as ever, it's my ice cream! I don't need it, I don't crave it, I just love it.

I'm with you snork. It's really the only thing I vape anymore, other than if I cut it with a flavor I like from my nicquid stash. It's like a fine cigar or some nice pipe tobacco to me. A ml or two a week and I'm good to go.

 

[AaronY]

I've thought about your question for quite awhile.
I disagree. I think the last thing any ingredient ought to do is hide behind interesting packaging, claims, disclaimers or advertising. It is what it is.

How is more info to the consumer hiding?


AaronY www.EcigJuiceReview.com sent from my iPad

 

[snork]

How is more info to the consumer hiding?


AaronY

I think we cleared that up, I misunderstood your question.

 

[AaronY]

I think we cleared that up, I misunderstood your question.

Ya I thought we did lol. Sorry I was in a nick coma. Just tried over 50 new flavors in around an hour and was on my ipad and confused sorry.

 

[DeadPerfect]

they need to lower their prices, or sell bulk. im going back to halo.

 

[Mr.Mann]

In my last post I had posted the link to new WTA manufacturer, but I asked the mods to delete it because I cannot vouch, or advertise directly, for a vendor (especially a WTA one) that comes, seemingly, out of nowhere. I still will not post their link (so don't ask), but they can be found easily. I have several apprehensions about them and I am sending my second email and waiting for a response from my first one sent last week.

Here is my second email: "Second message...

As you all should know, WTA involves a fairly particular, involved, scientific, and possibly dangerous (even if "old fashioned") extraction of tobacco for the purposes of consumption; so I would just like a response to know someone (and who that someone actually is) out there before I consider purchasing. This is my second email and if this is not responded to (like the first), I must move on. I am active on ECF and have been involved on threads regarding WTA. Those threads are in fact frequented by many WTA vapers and I will post about this message and whether or not I get a response.

I would like to know if you all are on any ecig forum, mentioned by any ecig reviewers or can be vouched for by any reputable faces in the ecig community. I do this with all new(er) ecig companies, so I hope it doesn't offend you by me asking for this type of info. I would be great if you all are legit, but I would need to know that someone with you all has some type of presence in the community and a specialist (or scientist/chemist or phD) doing the extraction of WTA, or at the very least, a review by trusted members of the community."

Mann

 

[snork]

Good luck with that.