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Bryn

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IN THE BEGINNING
The First of All Myths

IN THE BEGINNING, IN THE time that was no time, nothing existed but the Womb. And the Womb was a limitless dark cauldron of all things in potential: a chaotic blood-soup of matter and energy, fluid as water yet mud-solid with salts of the earth; red-hot as fire yet restlessly churning and bubbling with all the winds. And the Womb was the Mother, before She took form and gave form to Existence. She was the Deep (biblical tehom, Babylonian Tiamat, Egyptian Temu, Greek Themis).

In the time that was no time, She divided the elements in the Womb cauldron into the two spheres of infinity. By the use of Her magic Om, Her grunt of cosmic birth giving, She caused the fiery lights and airs to collect in the heaven sphere, and the dark waters, salts, and solids to collect in the sphere of earth. She shaped the earthly materials into continents, rivers, mountains, and seas. By the light of the sun She made Day, and by the shadow of the earth She made Night.

At the point of contact between the two spheres of infinity, Her blood of the Womb generated living things. To each living thing the Mother gave a temporary form that would eventually dissolve, back once more into the infinite churning cauldron of potential, where matters and energies are constantly exchanged and recombined. She made the world an image of that uterine cauldron, so that every life form sustains itself by absorbing, decomposing, and assimilating other forms. And She gave autonomy to each form by pronouncing its name in Her primordial language, expressing the verbal magic of creation.

She made human beings to imitate Her in the use of language. She formed them of reddened earth (adamah), moistened in the Womb by Her own holy blood. She gave them consciousness capable of remembering their own passage through dark birthways into the light of seeing and knowing; capable, too, of envisioning their own return to darkness and dissolution. She made woman in Her own image, with the female-mammalian power to create new life out of her interior blood. She made man to be woman's consort and helper, to assist in the long, arduous nurture of the world's most helpless offspring. She taught Her people to sow and reap, preserve food, weave cloth, build shelters, carry fire, make tools and vessels, keep records of the seasons, and a thousand other practical arts and crafts for their survival in the world. She taught Her people not to take more than they needed from the earth, the plants, the animals, the waters, and the woods; for if any creature took too much, others would suffer.

The world and its creature dwelt in peace until the Mother began to give birth to jealous gods. Each god claimed to be Her first-born and Her chosen lover, privy to Her secrets, sharer of Her creativity. Each god insisted that he alone was both Her son and Her bridegroom, as well as Her helper in the world's creation. Some even went so far as to claim sole responsibility for creating the earth or its living things.

It is written that the Goddess' true firstborn took the form of the divine serpent, to slide into Her terrestrial body, to be anointed by Her wise blood, to know Her inner wisdom, and to learn how to become immortal by periodically shedding his old skin and being reborn in a new fresh one. The phallic serpent represented sexual "knowing" as man's way to contact the blissful life-giving magic inside woman; and so when men made images of the Mother, they often showed her accompanied by Her snake, or even gave Her a snake form.

Later gods, jealous of the wise serpent, sought ways to discredit him. They pretended that the serpent's connection with the maternal netherworld was an evil rather than a special privilege. They began to claim credit for dividing the Womb into earth and heaven, for the pronouncing of sacred names, and for the molding of clay figures to be brought to life. Some even claimed to be birth givers themselves, despite their male incapacity for that. One even went so far as to declare that he could make man into a birth giver - at least one man, the first, and who could then usurp maternal authority over women who was his child.

The jealous gods appealed to men, promising them longer lives, earthly riches, or godlike immortality if they would become dutiful worshippers. They taught men to perform blood sacrifices, to imitate the mysterious blood-magic of the Mother, to claim a connection with the giving of new life. Alas, the men never learned to let blood without pain or harm, as women did. Nonetheless, they mutilated their own bodies to imitate women's lunar bloodletting. They even killed some of their own number and claimed that the victims were transformed into life givers by their outpouring of blood. The men promised to feed their ancestral gods on sacrifical blood, to preserve their immortality, hoping for similar immortality in return. Their gods found blood sacrifices acceptable, but rejected the offerings of grain, and fruit that had been customary in the elder times of peaceful agriculture (see Gen. 4:3-5).

The new, jealous gods were not kind to the people they claimed as their children. They tyrannized the people and oppressed them mightily for the most trivial offenses. They threatened the people with plagues, wars, fevers, madness, blindness, slavery, famine, and rains of fire (see Deut. 28) for the least infraction of their rules.

One of the new gods even dared to send a world flood, to drown nearly every creature on earth - even nonhuman ones - because a few of the people had displeased him. The Mother caught him at it and became very angry. She punished him by setting a rainbow in the sky to bar him from feasting on men's altar offerings. She said he should starve, "since rashly he caused the flood storm, and handed over my children to destruction."

Nevertheless, the jealous gods continued to attract men by a combination of promises, threats, and violence. The gods restricted men's expressions of love for women, even for mothers. They allowed men to seize their neighbors' lands and possessions, to enrich themselves, to make slaves of other people. They allowed men to declare themselves kings, and to choose surrogate victims to be sacrificed in their stead. Men knew that many of the things they did were wrong, and their gods' threats made them guilty and fearful. They submerged their fear in acts of cruelty performed in groups, so that other men could justify their behavior. They appointed male priests to condone everything and write that it was all god's will.

Male priests wrestled power from the tribal mothers and priestesses by organizing men into marauding armies, blessing their violence, and rewriting myths to exclude the Goddess or declare Her an abomination. The jealous gods became even more jealous, and fought among themselves, and each pronounced himself the One God. Their warfare was unremitting, until one devoured nearly all the others, diabolized his few remaining rivals, and proclaimed himself superior even to the Goddess who had produced him and taught him all his ideas.

And so the world was set upon a trail of tears, oppression, and intellectual error that prevails even to this day.

by Barbara G. Walker, Restoring the Goddess :thumb:
 
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Makes much more sense, doesn't it?

The Adam's rib story was copied from a much older Babylonian myth of the Goddess Nin-Ti, "Lady of the Rib," who invented childbirth by allowing women to form their babies' bones in utero out of their own maternal ribs.

Patriarchal Adam was a transformation of an earlier female principle of birth giving, Adamah, meaning "bloody clay." :lol:
 

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Anyone can be a Buddha Kate. Even the founder of the Buddhist religion states, ""There have been many Buddhas before me and will be many Buddhas in the future...All living beings have the Buddha nature and can become Buddhas."

Buddha is "one who has achieved a perfect state of enlightenment".


Thanks very much for the clarification Sandy :)

I love the gentle and respectful nature of Buddhist philosophy. Modern day Shamen seem to have a lot in common with what Buddha taught.

YouTube - Shaman Part I: Who Are the Shaman?



Bryn, your post is quite profound and I haven't been able to spend time thinking about it yet so don't really have anything right now to say except thank you. :)
 

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Makes much more sense, doesn't it?

The Adam's rib story was copied from a much older Babylonian myth of the Goddess Nin-Ti, "Lady of the Rib," who invented childbirth by allowing women to form their babies' bones in utero out of their own maternal ribs.

Patriarchal Adam was a transformation of an earlier female principle of birth giving, Adamah, meaning "bloody clay." :lol:
Wow Bryn, I didn't know that. I knew about the Babylonian myth having alot to do with the religion, but not that specifically. Such as the flood and Yaw (Yaweh) most likely being the son of the god El.

There is just so much to learn...off to google. :)
 

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IN THE BEGINNING
The First of All Myths

IN THE BEGINNING, IN THE time that was no time, nothing existed but the Womb. And the Womb was a limitless dark cauldron of all things in potential: a chaotic blood-soup of matter and energy, fluid as water yet mud-solid with salts of the earth; red-hot as fire yet restlessly churning and bubbling with all the winds. And the Womb was the Mother, before She took form and gave form to Existence. She was the Deep (biblical tehom, Babylonian Tiamat, Egyptian Temu, Greek Themis).

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That was a good read Bryn!

I often wonder how many Christians truly know the origin of the symbol they stick on their cars...

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The Mother Goddess Symbol
 
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Thanks very much for the clarification Sandy :)

I love the gentle and respectful nature of Buddhist philosophy. Modern day Shamen seem to have a lot in common with what Buddha taught.
You're welcome. I also love Buddhist philosophy and that of the Hindu. I also love Christian mysticism, yet I have a negative response towards fundamentalism. Yikes! I can't seem to shake that yet. :evil:

I can't get youtube up here at work, but I'll try to remember to get on my home computer/dinosaur when I get home and watch it.
 

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That was a great read Bryn and very consistent with other accounts I've come across, thanks again :)


I like learning from all of those philosophies too Sandy and particularly like folklore. I also have trouble with extremism. I spent a lot of time meditating on the Buddhist Middle Way a few years ago and have found it helps me keep good mental health. Extremes knock me off balance so I try to ignore them.


"In general, the Middle Way or Middle Path (Sanskrit: madhyamā-pratipad; Pali: majjhimā paṭipadā)[1] is the Buddhist practice of non-extremism.[2]

More specifically, in Theravada Buddhism's Pali Canon, the Middle Way crystallizes the Buddha's Nirvana-bound path of moderation away from the extremes of sensual indulgence and self-mortification and toward the practice of wisdom, morality and mental cultivation. In later Theravada texts as well as in Mahayana and Vajrayana Buddhism, the Middle Way refers to the concept, enunciated in the Canon, of direct knowledge that transcends seemingly antithetical claims about existence..."
Middle way - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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That was a great read Bryn and very consistent with other accounts I've come across, thanks again :)


I like learning from all of those philosophies too Sandy and particularly like folklore. I also have trouble with extremism. I spent a lot of time meditating on the Buddhist Middle Way a few years ago and have found it helps me keep good mental health. Extremes knock me off balance so I try to ignore them.


"In general, the Middle Way or Middle Path (Sanskrit: madhyamā-pratipad; Pali: majjhimā paṭipadā)[1] is the Buddhist practice of non-extremism.[2]

More specifically, in Theravada Buddhism's Pali Canon, the Middle Way crystallizes the Buddha's Nirvana-bound path of moderation away from the extremes of sensual indulgence and self-mortification and toward the practice of wisdom, morality and mental cultivation. In later Theravada texts as well as in Mahayana and Vajrayana Buddhism, the Middle Way refers to the concept, enunciated in the Canon, of direct knowledge that transcends seemingly antithetical claims about existence..."
Middle way - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Oh, I love Buddhism!

Have you read or listened to any of Alan Watts' lectures? He's my favorties speaker of all time (so far!).

I was just getting in to the thread you had about what religion we were and it got closed! Dang it! I love to discuss religion and was looking forward to putting my views in there some more. Awwww well...
 
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YouTube - The Burning Times



Burning Times - Christy Moore

In the cold of the evening, they used to gather
Neath the stars in the meadow circled near an old oak tree
At the times appointed by the seasons
Of the earth and the phases of the moon
In the centre often stood a woman
Equal with the others respected for her worth
One of the many we call the witches
The healers, the teachers of the wisdom of the earth
And the people grew in the knowledge she gave them
Herbs to heal their bodies smells to make their spirits whole
Hear them chanting healing incantations
Calling for the wise ones celebrating in dance and song
(Isis, Astarte, Diana, Hecate, Demeter, Kali, Inanna ... repeat x2)

There were those that came to power through domination
They were bonded in their worship of a dead man on a cross
They sought control of the common people
By demanding allegiance to the church of Rome
And the Pope he commenced the inquisition
As a war against the women whose powers they feared
In this holocaust in this age of evil
Nine million European women they died

And the tale is told of those who by the hundreds
Holding hands together chose their deaths in the sea
While chanting the praises of the Mother Goddess
A refusal of betrayal women were dying to be free
(Isis, Astarte, Diana, Hecate, Demeter, Kali, Inanna ... repeat x2)

Now the earth is a witch and we still burn her
Stripping her down with mining and the poison of our wars
Still to us, the earth is a healer a teacher and a mother
A weaver of a web of light that keeps us all alive
She gives us the vision to see through the chaos
She gives us the courage it is our will to survive
(Repeat Goddess chant x4)​
 

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It is always reassuring to see something written that you have just "known" to be true for a long time but dismiss as just pondering because no one around you has a clue what you are saying.
I have found good points to all religions and just take that which suits me as proper and leave the rest as man made confusion. Perhaps the Hindu views are really more enlightened then people are lead to believe. Other religions seem to do their best to detour people from learning anything at all about such things.
 

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Just smile and nod...and know you are right.


This can be hard to do sometimes because people like us want so much to help others understand. But some people are destined for certain things and no one can change this. It has been said that all knowledge comes from God. No one may have understanding lest it be by His will. Trying to give understanding to someone who God does not wish to have it will not work. When it is time for them to know something more, God will give it to them, one way or another.
 

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Burning Times - Christy Moore

In the cold of the evening, they used to gather
Neath the stars in the meadow circled near an old oak tree
At the times appointed by the seasons
Of the earth and the phases of the moon
In the centre often stood a woman
Equal with the others respected for her worth
One of the many we call the witches
The healers, the teachers of the wisdom of the earth
And the people grew in the knowledge she gave them
Herbs to heal their bodies smells to make their spirits whole
Hear them chanting healing incantations
Calling for the wise ones celebrating in dance and song
(Isis, Astarte, Diana, Hecate, Demeter, Kali, Inanna ... repeat x2)​

Sad isn't it? That it actually happened. I read many many stories of what women of that time went through. One story...a woman saved a doctor's life by healing him with herbs she made. He turned around and had her killed as a witch (jealous that she did better than him, probably). Another story....In Holland...all women were wiped out in one village..600 of them because they were thought to be witches!

post below came from "Restoring the Goddess" by Barbara G. Walker. I picked several paragraphs from that book. Barbara is a scholar, researcher, historian as well as feminist.

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Churches' rules forbidding a woman to touch or even apporach the altar are based on the ancient menstrual taboo: a curious confession that even the power of God can't overcome the power of women's physicality. Of course it's all superstition and nonsense, but it has had dreadful impact on the psyches of both women and men.

Warlike, aggressive male societies are in rivalry with women over which sex sheds the most sacred blood. War is men's response to women's ability to give birth and menstrutate; all three are blood-shedding rituals. Women's blood rites give life, however, while men's bloody rituals give only death. To compensate for this, such authoritarian societies culturally repress and degrade women's blood functions, while elevating murderous war to a holy act...

In patriarchal society, men constantly focus attention - either negative or positive attention - on the physicality of women, but to objectify it that they usually fail to understand even a little of how women feel about their bodies. The female body is every man's first home, to which he yearns to return in some sense, but under patriarchy, he is taught to despise what he desires, and to despise himself for desiring it.

Rather worldly men who took upon themselves the divine right to tell other people what to do, and have profited by it ever since, these men still presume to control women's bodies, dictating what women shall or shall not do with their own sacred capacity of motherhood-which, by natural law, belongs to each female, and no male has the right to interfere with it.

Why not study Nature, and cease to worship a myth which ignorance and superstition have placed behind it?

Despite the silly claims of modern televangelists that there are real demons in the air all around us, the only real demons we need to exorcise from our world are the man-made demons of violence, greed, intolerance, and ignorance.

Mother is the first divinity on whom we depend absolutely in our infant helplessness. Mother is the one we trust. The buried infant brain has never ceased to know this. Patriarchal religion takes that that inner knowing and artificially masculinizes it.

Of course, at the fountainhead of Judeo-Christian myth we find the ultimate absurdity, man giving birth to woman. Fundamentalist theology assiduously conceals the fact that the whole fable of Adam's rib was lifted from earlier Sumerian scriptures referring to the belief that the Goddess Nin-Ti, "Lady of Life" and "Lady of the Rib" gave mothers the power to create their babies' bones from one of their own ribs.

That is why, as a symbol of Nature, the Mother Goddess makes more sense. Long before there were father gods, the Goddess was celebrated as the light bringer who opened the eyes of newborn children and allowed them to see light.

Religion creates misogyny. Religion was and is the primary medium of women's spiritual, political, and social enslavement.

Knowledge of fatherhood, and concomitant "knowledge" of a father god, have existed for only a few thousand years at most. The theologians' god is a Johnny-come-late indeed, compared to the once and future Goddess of thealogy.

During the patriarchal centuries, a majority of Western women certainly accepted the belief systems of theology, because there were no alternatives available to them. Indeed, in some periods of history, not to accept the patriarchal god was a capital crime, to be punished even more severely than murder. Within the system, many women even managed to think themselves emancipated. Nevertheless, any system that views a female as something less than a male; that denigrates her as a source of tempation, sin, or guilt; that denies her full participation in religious leadership; and that postulates a god without a Goddess is not only sexist to the core, it is the core of sexism.

I find it interesting that "witch" simply means a wise woman. Also known as "wicce". But to other people..witches are green with warts, toothless.
 

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Yeah, a lot of our culture seems skew to me. I hate the way women/witches/wise women/elders/healers were (and sometimes still are) demonised and persecuted. A lot of us have very distorted ideas of history and natural law.

Some people behave as if they are very threatened by feminism too as if women intend to just turn the tables and behave the way patriarchs have.

I settle for being treated and respected as an equal.
 
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