Xhaler opinion

[Lightgeoduck]

I'm guessing LGD noticed what many others did about Drew's demonstration video - with the cap loosened and supposedly applying 6v to the atty, there was 0.1 variance in the reading - now go watch David's loaded voltage test of the Super T, specifically when he measures the batteries.

You are cool man... but its a little more than the demo man... my conclusion goes a little deeper than that, and will go even deeper when I do the same, but if by any chance my tests credits the xhaler... I might have to question the integrity of some very respectable people or there are just a lot of "broken" xhalers....

 

[impostor71]

I've enjoyed reading LGD's posts before, but with all due respect to LGD, this thread has got to be the one of the stupidest thread ever! It's like you're bored and just looking for battles to fight. I thought you are better than this LGD...

 

[Thulium]

I promised myself not to address extraneous posts, but your avatar draws me to... hehe

Yes I will do that as well, but FWIW I got it from a few people that I respect.. and it wasn't to fuel the conspiracy, but to get an unbiased answer.... I wanted to purchase one... but I also have principals and I feel that no matter how much people say its a good unit, or you don't know what you're missing. if it doesn't do what its claimed to do.. its nothing more than a battery holder that I can't give the respect that others are willing to cheer...

again when I test it ... I don't care how much it vapes ...if I get what it claims I will eat my words... post an apology in the sub-forum and ask for it to be stickied.... and purchase the one I wanted.

Of course I am sure it isn't worth a hill of beans to you hehe... but then again I didn't title this Xhaler/nhaler review for jongleur --hehe

Alright, here's what I don't get. Let's pretend for a moment that there weren't multiple videos showing the Xhaler operating at 5V. What are you left with: A 6V mod. Is that so terrible? Are you gonna wait a month or two for a Chuck instead of picking up the less expensive Xhaler that arrives the same week you order it??

Perhaps later today I'll take mine over to RadioShack and borrow a multimeter so I can find out exactly what voltage mine is running at, but I know without any doubt that it does in fact work as advertised: With 2 freshly charged RCR123a batteries, if the resistor cap is loosened I can clearly taste a harsh burn flavor that I do not like that goes away when I tighten the resistor cap. When the batteries start to taper off at the end of the day, I can stretch them out by loosening the bottom cap.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

Alright, here's what I don't get. Let's pretend for a moment that there weren't multiple videos showing the Xhaler operating at 5V.Are any vids by consumers?if so please provide link What are you left with: A 6V mod. Is that so terrible?No it is not terrible having a 6v mod,so it would be an ethics issue then, wouldn't it? Are you gonna wait a month or two for a Chuck instead of picking up the less expensive Xhaler that arrives the same week you order it??Ummm I didn't say anything about a Chuck, and why are you trying to turn it into a one or the other thing... if you read my OP or sig block it would be an addition to my collection not an "either or" to anything.

Perhaps later today I'll take mine over to RadioShack and borrow a multimeter (didn't you say that before? still no multimeter?)so I can find out exactly what voltage mine is running at, but I know without any doubt that it does in fact work as advertised: With 2 freshly charged RCR123a batteries, if the resistor cap is loosened I can clearly taste a harsh burn flavor that I do not like that goes away when I tighten the resistor cap. When the batteries start to taper off at the end of the day, I can stretch them out by loosening the bottom cap.I can't comment on your experiences, but I wouldn't define that as fact for voltage

My comments in red:

FYI as hard as it may be to believe I am not trying to start a pissing match...I
can't stop you from posting, but other than you providing a consumers test backing your claims... I don't value your comments as credible and borderline propaganda.

If some would stop think of this as senseless bashing
or fight starting

and start looking at this as a consumer.. maybe people won't be so defensive or dismissive. I am sorry I am not at liberty to elaborate, but hopefully when I am able to physically test the xhaler myself rather than trusting my resources... my comments won't sound stupid and have some credibility of its own.

I still leave the disclaimer there, that if I am proved wrong I will post an apology and ask for it to be stickied... and purchase the xhaler that I wanted.

 

[MHR7331]

Alright, here's what I don't get. Let's pretend for a moment that there weren't multiple videos showing the Xhaler operating at 5V.

Multiple videos? Are any of them not made by the proprietor of the device, and without pretty glaring inconsistencies when concerning the proper fluctuation of loaded voltage? Didn't he admit himself that his testing setup wasn't exactly refined?

And BTW, there is nothing wrong with it being a strictly 6v device... this is mostly about the science for some of us

 

[Katmar]

"and start looking at this as a consumer.. maybe people won't be so defensive or dismissive. I am sorry I am not at liberty to elaborate, but hopefully when I am able to physically test the xhaler myself rather than trusting my resources... my comments won't sound stupid and have some credibility of its own." by lightgeoduck

And, therein lies the problem. If you had WAITED until you could elaborate, this thread would not be happening. The whole "I am not at liberty" stuff just sounds conspiratory. Instead, you made a pronouncement based on NOTHING you could prove at this point. For which I see NO point.

 

[Modterrik]

"and start looking at this as a consumer.. maybe people won't be so defensive or dismissive. I am sorry I am not at liberty to elaborate, but hopefully when I am able to physically test the xhaler myself rather than trusting my resources... my comments won't sound stupid and have some credibility of its own." by lightgeoduck

And, therein lies the problem. If you had WAITED until you could elaborate, this thread would not be happening. The whole "I am not at liberty" stuff just sounds conspiratory. Instead, you made a pronouncement based on NOTHING you could prove at this point. For which I see NO point.

agreed. I don't see much point to this thread. Basically, Geo, you're saying you think Nhaler is unethical for advertising the Xhaler as a 5v mod.

You should have waited until you tested it for yourself, then posted this.

 

[Madame Psychosis]

LGD, you're a smart guy and I've enjoyed your tips and opinions. So I look forward to hearing your views on the borrowed Xhaler. If I had a spare, I'd ship it out there. I clicked on this post title because I was indeed interested in your review of it.

I'll be testing mine under load sooner or later. My lack of urgency comes from the fact that I enjoy it so much already as my first mod. It vapes like a champ, it was affordable, it looks great, I haven't killed any attys (well, a couple of cartos!), and it came here quickly with great customer service throughout my dealings with Nhaler.

Maybe I'm just part of that cynical generation that -- having been marketed to shamelessly all my life, from pharmaceuticals to underwear -- chooses to ignore conflicting claims and arguments among the peanut gallery.
Instead I relied on supplementing the incontrovertible facts (it's the most attractive, well-reviewed American-made HV mod I could get most quickly) with subjective experience.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

LGD, you're a smart guy and I've enjoyed your tips and opinions. So I look forward to hearing your views on the borrowed Xhaler. If I had a spare, I'd ship it out there. I clicked on this post title because I was indeed interested in your review of it.

I'll be testing mine under load sooner or later. My lack of urgency comes from the fact that I enjoy it so much already as my first mod. It vapes like a champ, it was affordable, it looks great, I haven't killed any attys (well, a couple of cartos!), and it came here quickly with great customer service throughout my dealings with Nhaler.

Maybe I'm just part of that cynical generation that -- having been marketed to shamelessly all my life, from pharmaceuticals to underwear -- chooses to ignore conflicting claims and arguments among the peanut gallery.
Instead I relied on supplementing the incontrovertible facts (it's the most attractive, well-reviewed American-made HV mod I could get most quickly) with subjective experience.

Thanks for your kind words... I guess I jumped the gun I thought what I saw as obvious.. others would as well...

I am happy that you like it... and if you don't mind either way... that is cool too... It is never a problem being happy with a product just for the fact of liking it. HV mods IMO are definitely in a higher league than a regular ecig batt

I love my PVs and plan on adding to the small collection I already have whether making or purchasing.... so for me and I would assume some others are concern about important details of voltage regulation, or any other "special feature"

Put I am going to wait to post on this matter again.. after I repeat what I have seen,been told, and personal know, by testing the xhaler myself

after that if that means anything who knows.... I just mainly posted to reply to you... since I find you as a cool person

Happy New years

 

[kase]

How do you like your SB LGD? I have a chuck but always thought those SB's were awesome looking. Might need one of those for 2010!

 

[Thulium]

I've got an order from Nhaler arriving today (just got the tracking email from USPS--w00t!) so I think I'll go over to the 'Shack and see if I can Git 'R Done before the mail arrives.

By now it sounds like I wouldn't be able to convince LGD or MHR anyway, but I can at least satisfy my own curiosity.

I am still a little confused if you really want one why you would let an unfounded accusation from a competitor outweigh everything you know about Nhaler's business. It sounds to me like even though you say you WANT an Xhaler, you won't buy one because a competitor says it doesn't do 5V and therefore you think Drew is unethical for saying that it does. Nevermind the fact that you have no explanation as to how he could have possibly shown a fake reading, you insist it must be fake because it looked like he turned the cap the wrong way during the choppy bits at the beginning of the video so you're going to ignore the clear result later on.

 

[tdwave]

Please, do the homework first then comment:
Do you realize that even though you may think you are a smart man, there are many people that will read your unwarranted comments and not purchase the xhaler because of your post? Even if it didn't make no sense to them or even understand why....
So you won't buy the xhaler, they won't miss you.
I ain't buying a Lear Jet...... I did my research and found that the claim of 7 miles to the gallon is MAYBE false... I have a degree in fossil fuel research and that qualifies me to tell you that the Lear only gets 6.9 miles pg.
Ok, sorry, this was just to tempting.
I had my fun.

 

[Turco Chips]

I got my XHALER yesterday and I couldn't be happier with it. It's a great HV PV.


TC

 

[kase]

OMG! Im not buy Xhaler now!!!!



lol

 

[BuzzKill]

Man the conjecture is amazing Neither guy has tested it , I BELIEVE is not a fact ( the earth is flat remember ! ) Until it has been tested by people with the qualifications to tell you what is really happening ( I.E. EE or someone with lots of expirience )

Just saying this or that means NOTHING ! IMO

Just my 2 cents worth

LAter
Marlbuzz

PS: I have tested it and have come to my own conclusions , and YES I do have the qualifications to come to an unbiased factual result

 

[Thulium]

Just got back from the 'Shack and here's what I learned: I should not mess with things I don't understand if I don't have a backup plan.

Testing the voltage directly off the brass tip showed a voltage of 6.5V--there was no change with the cap loose or tight. Since I was able to taste a burnt flavor running with the cap loose that went away when I tightened the cap, I can conclude to my own satisfaction that the Xhaler is a system that relies on the load of the atomizer in use and the delrin cap to apply a load based resistance to the circuit. After a couple attempts trying to wire a connection between the Xhaler and the 510 atomizer that I could read the voltage, I finally got a reading on the Voltmeter that looked to be in the 5V range and I could hear what I thought was the sizzle of the atty working...but then lost the reading again...and couldn't get it back...Something was wrong...Oh there it is: I fried the battery spring. Test over. Called Drew and now I get to send back my Xhaler for replacement, in the meantime I get to ring in the New Year tonight without my Xhaler!

In the middle of writing this message, I took a call from a very good friend of mine who happens to be an Electrical Engineer for Tektronics...We had a good conversation ranging to a variety of topics including children and pending divorces and I told him about my failed attempt to test this circuit. I explained what I was trying to do and he said that it sounds like what the delrin cap does is that by being a partial conductor it does not decrease the maximum voltage but it changes the SHAPE of the current (observable on an oscilloscope) so that there is lower than expected voltage when the circuit is under load.

Today I learned some painful yet powerful lessons. I am currently experiencing the most powerful craving for an analog I've had in months, and my measly 510 mini battery is really not cutting it for me right now.

So I am officially DONE with this "controversy". Someone I trust implicitly in the field of electronics has given me a sufficient answer (but I will have him take a look at it to make sure it does work the way he hypothesized) and my personal experience is that I got an objectively better (there was a distinct difference in flavor) vaping experience with the Xhaler configured for 5V than under the 6V configuration on fresh batteries, and I have my own experience as well as the testimonials of dozens of other Xhaler owners that when the vapor production begins to tail off as the batteries run low, loosening the cap does in fact bring vapor production back up a bit--functionality that, regardless how it works, is not available on other more expensive models.

If you won't be satisfied with this....Frankly, MadGeoDuck, I don't care anymore. If you aren't going to buy an Xhaler, for whatever reason, that is your loss.

Happy New Year.

 

[Reign]

Pointless Thread. Topic has been discussed numerous times. Closed.