Yes I still Smoke Cigarettes and I am addicted to the smoking habit - support and chat thread.

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Was hoping Lori could give a status update but I understand. We're holding you lady.

Getting ready to go to the hospital. They put him in ICU. Not sure why. Admitting doctor did not call for a consult from either his kidney dr or oncologist. Apparently we got a overachiever. :mad: Needless to say I contacted their offices this morning. His sodium is better but he is nasty. (to be expected). I just spoke with the nurse and she gave him a tranquilizer. Trying to get ready to get on the road. Since I made the waves I need to be there to take the splash. There will be chemo on the other end of this. I came in last night one of the dog doors were broken and Rex's raised food bowl broke. So the dog door has been fixed and the food bowl needs to be replaced. I think there is a petsmart on the way back from the hospital. Sandi, his pom is miserable and I am walking around with her in my arms. My pain on a scale of 1-10 is a 12. Will try to pop in tonight. Thanks again for your concern, thoughts and prayers. hugs to all
 

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I feel sorry for the situation and all of the pain and heartbreak everyone is going through, I know what most of you are feeling whether it be physical pain or emotional pain so I can't help but feel empathy. I am very very worried about Lori and her hubby right now though.

I think yesterday was a breakthrough for me and if the weather cooperates there may be another today. He is planning on racing this evening but waffling a bit because of heavy cloud cover and not wanting to drive an hour just to have to put the car back in the trailer and drive the hour back without getting to race. If he does go and the weather does hold off I will be driving down there this evening with Ginny in the car to take over if I can't make it the whole way there and back.

I think my biggest worry was how well I would do out all day with just the eroll, how well it would work and all and it did just fine. Unlike the normal cig-a-likes it really produces a satisfying vapor and since I got the new juices that are all 24 mg I'm not wanting a cig and not even thinking about wanting one. When I think about a cig the thought is more surprise that I really don't want one. A few years ago I didn't smoke for 9 weeks using the nicotine lozenges and the thought of a cig never left the forefront of my mind, the lozenges helped me resist that urge but right now the urge itself just isn't there. I'm amazed and today I have some new juices from Mountain Oak Vapors to try, they are fairly local with two B&M stores . I have heard nothing but good things about them and their juices so I'm anxious to see if they are as good as everyone says, I know they are very very nice and have decent prices and fast shipping. :) They also pre steep their juice so it is supposed to be yummy when you get it.

I also ordered a Kanger Pro tank from them and trying to work up the nerve to give it a try. :)

It's wonderful that the situation you were afraid of yesterday turned out to be a blessing in disguise. You realized just how long you could go without a cigarette and not die of a nicotine fit. ;)

The eRoll really is a great little device. You get the look and feel of a cigarette, but with great vapor production better than an ego. I know it's what tipped the scales for me trying to stop smoking around other smokers. I'm so happy for you. :toast:

And don't be afraid of the ProTank. They're great and also very easy to fill, clean and use.
 

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Karen, thanks for coming in today and talking with us this morning. One thing that I am noticing by being active on this thread is that those of us with health issues seem to have a harder time with quitting the cigarettes. Some of us also may be more sensitive to the PG and other things involved with vaping. It seems to make our journey a little bit harder for many of us.

Another thing to remember, we post when we are having trouble with vaping, a lot of the members in other forums on ECF may not be doing so. So it may look like everyone just starts vaping and, MAGIC!, they never smoke again. I don't believe it. There is no way a heavy smoker for 20 or more years just starts vaping and never has a struggle with it or cigarettes again.

When you smoke for over 10, 20 30 years, you just don't put them down with no repercussions. There are physical and mental things you will go through and probably for a while. Yes, with the vaping you can replace the nicotine in the cigarettes, but all the other nasty ingredients you have to flush out of your body and that takes time.
 

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Getting ready to go to the hospital. They put him in ICU. Not sure why. Admitting doctor did not call for a consult from either his kidney dr or oncologist. Apparently we got a overachiever. :mad: Needless to say I contacted their offices this morning. His sodium is better but he is nasty. (to be expected). I just spoke with the nurse and she gave him a tranquilizer. Trying to get ready to get on the road. Since I made the waves I need to be there to take the splash. There will be chemo on the other end of this. I came in last night one of the dog doors were broken and Rex's raised food bowl broke. So the dog door has been fixed and the food bowl needs to be replaced. I think there is a petsmart on the way back from the hospital. Sandi, his pom is miserable and I am walking around with her in my arms. My pain on a scale of 1-10 is a 12. Will try to pop in tonight. Thanks again for your concern, thoughts and prayers. hugs to all

HUGS Lori! Not much I can say other than been there done that and I know how NOT fun it is.
 

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I really want another button other than "like".

I'm glad you were there to make waves. Hang in there is about all I can say at this point, and just know were here.

I think acknowledge would be good or a drop down box with a few choices, I want to acknowledge Lori's post and let her know I am praying. I don't like that she and her husband and going through all of this. I live a few hours away, she doesn't even know me, nor I her really except for the posts I read but my heart goes out to her just the same. I wish I could just help her with the dogs just anything to take some pressure off.
 

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Oh you should be having some fun. I have heard good things about Mountain Oak Vapors too. That little eroll kit seems to be like a tiny magic wand for out and about. Thaya loves hers and it works for her. I hear several other people swear by it. So it looks like you are making some good choices. That is great. A lot of people struggle with getting gear that is right for them, especially in the beginning. I don't think about cigarettes as much as I though I would either. Isn't that a great thing?

I feel sorry for the situation and all of the pain and heartbreak everyone is going through, I know what most of you are feeling whether it be physical pain or emotional pain so I can't help but feel empathy. I am very very worried about Lori and her hubby right now though.

I think yesterday was a breakthrough for me and if the weather cooperates there may be another today. He is planning on racing this evening but waffling a bit because of heavy cloud cover and not wanting to drive an hour just to have to put the car back in the trailer and drive the hour back without getting to race. If he does go and the weather does hold off I will be driving down there this evening with Ginny in the car to take over if I can't make it the whole way there and back.

I think my biggest worry was how well I would do out all day with just the eroll, how well it would work and all and it did just fine. Unlike the normal cig-a-likes it really produces a satisfying vapor and since I got the new juices that are all 24 mg I'm not wanting a cig and not even thinking about wanting one. When I think about a cig the thought is more surprise that I really don't want one. A few years ago I didn't smoke for 9 weeks using the nicotine lozenges and the thought of a cig never left the forefront of my mind, the lozenges helped me resist that urge but right now the urge itself just isn't there. I'm amazed and today I have some new juices from Mountain Oak Vapors to try, they are fairly local with two B&M stores . I have heard nothing but good things about them and their juices so I'm anxious to see if they are as good as everyone says, I know they are very very nice and have decent prices and fast shipping. :) They also pre steep their juice so it is supposed to be yummy when you get it.

I also ordered a Kanger Pro Tank from them and trying to work up the nerve to give it a try. :)
 

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Another thing to remember, we post when we are having trouble with vaping, a lot of the members in other forums on ECF may not be doing so. So it may look like everyone just starts vaping and, MAGIC!, they never smoke again. I don't believe it. There is no way a heavy smoker for 20 or more years just starts vaping and never has a struggle with it or cigarettes again.

When you smoke for over 10, 20 30 years, you just don't put them down with no repercussions. There are physical and mental things you will go through and probably for a while.

Some folks kick the habit easily.....I did. I won't go into the gory details but suffice to say it was an overnight thing. I went to buy my weekly carton, saw the ecig and purchased it and threw away the new carton the next morning. I smoked from 1958 until 2011 @ 2ppd. I have no criticism for peeps that have a hard time quitting cigs 'cause everybody is different. I currently have most of the problems that cigs bring......HBP, chronic severe kidney disease, extremely bad lower body blood circulation etc. No aspersions on you @ShariR and @Lox if this goes against the premise of your thread and you want to delete this post...........feel free. 'just sayin'
 
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Some folks kick the habit easily.....I did. I won't go into the gory details but suffice to say it was an overnight thing. I went to buy my weekly carton, saw the ecig and purchased it and threw away the new carton the next morning. I smoked from 1958 until 2011 @ 2ppd. I have no criticism for peeps that have a hard time quitting cigs 'cause everybody is different. I currently have most of the problems that cigs bring......HBP, chronic severe kidney disease, extremely bad lower body blood circulation etc. No aspersions on you @ShariR and @Lox if this goes against the premise of your thread and you want to delete this post...........feel free. 'just sayin'


I truly rejoice in your success. I wish it was that easy for everyone. I think I am having it easier than many also. I just want to be clear that many are not as fortunate and we are here to help those that are struggling and celebrate those that are having success.

I am I glad to hear that there are people that can have the success that you have had. It shines for others like a beacon of hope.
 

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Getting ready to go to the hospital. They put him in ICU. Not sure why. Admitting doctor did not call for a consult from either his kidney dr or oncologist. Apparently we got a overachiever. :mad: Needless to say I contacted their offices this morning. His sodium is better but he is nasty. (to be expected). I just spoke with the nurse and she gave him a tranquilizer. Trying to get ready to get on the road. Since I made the waves I need to be there to take the splash. There will be chemo on the other end of this. I came in last night one of the dog doors were broken and Rex's raised food bowl broke. So the dog door has been fixed and the food bowl needs to be replaced. I think there is a petsmart on the way back from the hospital. Sandi, his pom is miserable and I am walking around with her in my arms. My pain on a scale of 1-10 is a 12. Will try to pop in tonight. Thanks again for your concern, thoughts and prayers. hugs to all

Lori! Thank God you checked in! We've all been worried :(

Yes, unfortunately every patient these days needs an advocate - and it's not the doctor :mad: I had the chief of surgery and others with their white coats flapping behind them / gotta do what ya gotta do!

Keep us posted as you are able.
 

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Mainly I started this thread because over the years I've seen too many good people drop out of sight because they relapsed and started smoking again or were struggling and ashamed or felt like a failure. They were afraid to post and ask for advice because too many judgmental people attacked or criticized them. I made a post 2 years ago and mentioned I started smoking again and I was overwhelmed by the responses and pm's I received from others in the same boat. As I've always told people - I was never ashamed that I smoked (regret is another story) so why should I be ashamed I'm trying to quit. There's a huge difference between being unsuccessful and being a failure. No one is a failure until they give up trying. You may be unsuccessful but you have to persevere. Thomas Edison tried over 3000 types of filament to make a light bulb before he was successful. When asked if he felt he had wasted his time he replied (to paraphrase) "no now I know 3000 things that don't work"
 

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My wife and I are opposite ends here. I was a smoker for nearly 20 years, she smoked for about 10. I lost the desire for the cigs after my first vape nearly a month and a week ago. My wife on the other hand, is having a hard time giving them up. All I can do is continue supporting her and not ridicule her for her intense lack of willpower LOL.
 

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My wife and I are opposite ends here. I was a smoker for nearly 20 years, she smoked for about 10. I lost the desire for the cigs after my first vape nearly a month and a week ago. My wife on the other hand, is having a hard time giving them up. All I can do is continue supporting her and not ridicule her for her intense lack of willpower LOL.

She is lucky to have you in her corner! Good luck to both of you and welcome. Maybe she would like it here. We welcome her in.

Women have been taught to internalize their feelings on many matters, men are able to use sports or more assertive behavior to exhaust these feelings. I noticed that there are more women posting here. So, that means that most men are unable to admit when they are having this problem. or they have a better success rate due to the ability to release their stress in acceptable ways for men, while women are just called bit...s for the same behavior. I know I fear going off the handle when dealing with people when I am stressed.
 

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She is lucky to have you in her corner! Good luck to both of you and welcome. Maybe she would like it here. We welcome her in.

Women have been taught to internalize their feelings on many matters, men are able to use sports or more assertive behavior to exhaust these feelings. I noticed that there are more women posting here. So, that means that most men are unable to admit when they are having this problem. or they have a better success rate due to the ability to release their stress in acceptable ways for men, while women are just called bit...s for the same behavior. I know I fear going off the handle when dealing with people when I am stressed.

Men and women are also very very different physically, as is every individual. Each person who smokes has a different type or level of addiction as well. They have proven that alcohol affects the female body differently than it does the male body, some people of both sexes can drink daily for years and simply stop without ever having become actual addicts to the alcohol while others are physically addicted in just a short time. There is no way to be able to use the same scale for everyone.
I know in today's world everyone seems to think there really is a one size fits all, but that simply is not true, not with anything. Each individual's body processes everything that it comes in contact with in a completely different manner.

While it does appear that many men can quit smoking easier than most women that may be because the larger more densely muscled male body doesn't absorb the chemicals in cigarettes in the same way a female body does, but we also know that isn't always the case and many men are just as addicted as many women are. I don't think it has anything to do with their minds, I think it is purely physical.
That said I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.
 

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Men and women are also very very different physically, as is every individual. Each person who smokes has a different type or level of addiction as well. They have proven that alcohol affects the female body differently than it does the male body, some people of both sexes can drink daily for years and simply stop without ever having become actual addicts to the alcohol while others are physically addicted in just a short time. There is no way to be able to use the same scale for everyone.
I know in today's world everyone seems to think there really is a one size fits all, but that simply is not true, not with anything. Each individual's body processes everything that it comes in contact with in a completely different manner.

While it does appear that many men can quit smoking easier than most women that may be because the larger more densely muscled male body doesn't absorb the chemicals in cigarettes in the same way a female body does, but we also know that isn't always the case and many men are just as addicted as many women are. I don't think it has anything to do with their minds, I think it is purely physical.
That said I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.


I am sure you are right, One size does not fit all. Just my experience with how men I know handle stress compared to me.
 

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My wife and I are opposite ends here. I was a smoker for nearly 20 years, she smoked for about 10. I lost the desire for the cigs after my first vape nearly a month and a week ago. My wife on the other hand, is having a hard time giving them up. All I can do is continue supporting her and not ridicule her for her intense lack of willpower LOL.

I am 110% convined that quitting has nothing to do with willpower or motivation, nor is nicotine the evilist, most toxic or most addictive substance found in cigarettes. There's about 4,000 unknown chemicals involved, some of those were developed to deaden and anesthesize the effects from smoking and probably masked other problems as well.

Another aspect has been that cigarettes have an effect like an anti-depressent/mood stabilizers. I know handling stress without a cigarette is a big issue for me and that's not replaced with nicotine. But then I can take "speed" (adderall) to fall asleep. There's a wide variation of possible reactions to things that we know very little about, like what is in cigarettes.

My latest approach is to get off those unknown chemicals, including going to RYO and natural tobacco for when I do have to smoke. I figure that I'm just breaking it down into smaller steps.

70% (or more) of smokers WANT to quit. If it was just the nicotine, then IMO, all the "approved nicotine replacement" therapies already available would have been more succesful than 10% (+/-). Yet it's very common to assume 60% of smokers aren't "motivated" or they are weak or some other character flaw that diminishes their efforts and struggles.

Don't misunderstand. A good share of my frustration is not aimed at you but researchers and policy makers who have made broad assumptions about cigarette addiction that has probably kept a significant number of people addicted / pawns. I hear medical science and the media talk solely about evil nicotine, while all the rest of the components in cigs, such as tar, are virtually ignored - leaving many in the dust, blaming themselves.

I've tried quitting thousands of times and shamed because I haven't. My own personal dissapointment with myself can be crushing. Now I realize that successfully quitting didn't have all that much to do with willpower or motivation on my end when I wasn't able to "just quit" like they were able to.

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I absolutely agree with both of you, I am also directing most of what I said at the professional community not at anyone here. It does cause my hackles to raise when I hear it just takes will power, or you are weak, or you could quit if you really wanted to. Just look at one of yesterday's headlines concerning a correlation between induced labor and Autism. There are now accepted normals of every baby's size in utero at each week of gestation, come on every human is a different size as different life stages how could it be possible that every fetus should be the same size at the same week of gestation. How many of you know someone who's ultrasound said the baby was getting too big so they induced labor and the baby turned out to weigh 5,6,or 7 pounds. I know several.

The whole world seems obsessed with setting "norms" for everyone with everything and it just doesn't work that way. It's like they are trying to make sure we are all clones or something.
 

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Good news. Can't wait to hear all about it.

Long story kinda short: I was having serious issues with taking my thyroid in the morning as instructed; within 2 hours, I was essentially worthless; brain fog to the point of not knowing what words to use in conversation, practically passing out, extreme muscle weakness and slow impulse response, complete inability to mentally focus...just plain miserable. This would last until 2-3 in the afternoon, so essentially the entire workday. My doc said this isn't a normal reaction to thyroid meds, but said that even though it's likely to have something to do with impaired adrenal response there was nothing she could do to address it until my thyroid was more stable.

I quickly realized that this was unacceptable -- I work in a very fast paced office, and I wear a lot of hats, so I have to be "on" and extremely highly productive all day. This wasn't going to work for me. So for 3 days I tried taking it at night before bed which worked great for the workday but apparently put me back into some bad symptoms while sleeping. I was experiencing the obstructive sleep apnea I had before starting the thyroid, enough that I had to be awakened every night because it sounded like I was dying (apparently--I was completely unaware).

So I thought going back to the morning routine will be better and maybe my body had gotten used to the thyroid by now...so Wednesday I started doing the morning thing. Same reaction as before but lasted from 8:30 AM until 4:30PM.

I had read that adrenals can be supported with a stress-B complex vitamin, and I have 2 half-used bottles of that on hand. So Friday morning I took my thyroid and when I got to work about 2 hours later took the B-complex. We had our 2 hour meeting, and I was doing OK. By the end of the meeting, I felt great and could handle the whole workday with only very slightly compromised mental function. All of the other issues were non-existent, and I only felt slightly tired, like I could have used a little more sleep.

So I'm going to follow this protocol until my appointment on the 22nd and see if that's the missing link in my feeling better. Hopefully the doc will suggest more thyroid as my progress seems to have plateau'd on that front, and we'll go over the other lab work to see if there is more I can do to help things move along.

This little epiphany about the B complex has been a huge step forward for me, psychologically.


Yeah I pretty much never know what to say either but it doesn't mean and I don't care and that I'm not thinking about and praying for all of you (doesn't matter if you don't believe in prayer I believe enough for everyone). So hang in there everyone and take comfort knowing that even though we're not there with you - your friends are here for you.

My sentiments too...I never really know of anything better to say, if at all, than my thoughts/prayers are with those who are suffering.

First, an apology for not being good at replies, with that said, I would have liked to reply to just about every other entry in this entire thread. I have been lurking behind the curtain reading older posts just to get to know some of you. So many of you sound like me. I can't remember how I found this thread, I thank my lucky stars that I did. After reading so many success stories in this forum, I thought I was crazy that it wasn't working for me, and that it had worked, before I got sick.
Some folks kick the habit easily.....I did. I won't go into the gory details but suffice to say it was an overnight thing. I went to buy my weekly carton, saw the ecig and purchased it and threw away the new carton the next morning. I smoked from 1958 until 2011 @ 2ppd. I have no criticism for peeps that have a hard time quitting cigs 'cause everybody is different. I currently have most of the problems that cigs bring......HBP, chronic severe kidney disease, extremely bad lower body blood circulation etc. No aspersions on you @ShariR and @Lox if this goes against the premise of your thread and you want to delete this post...........feel free. 'just sayin'

My wife and I are opposite ends here. I was a smoker for nearly 20 years, she smoked for about 10. I lost the desire for the cigs after my first vape nearly a month and a week ago. My wife on the other hand, is having a hard time giving them up. All I can do is continue supporting her and not ridicule her for her intense lack of willpower LOL.

I think that a lot of ex-smokers and non-smokers who haven't had to deal with underlying mental/physical issues really have no clue how hard it really is.

If you look at my banner, I started vaping at the end of March. I quit smoking immediately after, and it was "easy". I was amazed. 3 weeks later, my SO of over 20+ years and I had decided that it was best if he leave, and a few days prior to that I had a final meeting with a bankruptcy attorney to lay out my plan to file. I had previously had excellent credit and was current on on my bills, but 3 years prior lost 1/2 my income due to the construction crash and have never been able to recover enough to pay my debts back. It would take me 30 years to do it, and at less than any of my creditors were willing to accept.

So that was what triggered my first "relapse". I started vaping exclusively again after 2 weeks. My SO and I worked out our issues as best as can be done. I am still in a holding pattern with filing BK due to some dumb financial decisions I made at the beginning of the year when I thought I would be able to handle my situation better. Within a month starting to vape exclusively, I was having what I thought were allergy issues with juice. It got to the point where I could not vape any of the 30 or so juices I had. But I dealt with it by using antihistamines for nearly 60 days.

Then I got progressively worse, sicker, and finally went to a doctor who diagnosed me with severe auto-immune hypothyroidism (Hashimoto's). My theory is that quitting smoking put my hypo into full-swing (the smoking having repressed the production of the thyroid antibodies), and that the auto-immune response is what has been giving me the "allergic reactions" since I quit smoking. So for 2 weeks now, I have been smoking, vaping, and snussing to try to get what my body is craving to feel well again. I am smoking more than the other two--mostly because my subconscious is trying to convince me that I will feel better if I do, even if I don't, and because I am too exhausted to fight the urge to do it. To be honest, the snussing and vaping do make me feel better than smoking but it's really hard to fight a 30 year old reflex when you're sick.

I intend to try vaping exclusively again once I get more regulated; I have no doubt that I will be able to completely quit smoking once that happens. But the feeling of knowing it can be done (since I did it twice before) is sort of gnawing at me and making me feel inadequate.

Quitting smoking has NOT been a very good experience for me and I'm a bit ...... about it.



I think my biggest worry was how well I would do out all day with just the eroll, how well it would work and all and it did just fine. Unlike the normal cig-a-likes it really produces a satisfying vapor and since I got the new juices that are all 24 mg I'm not wanting a cig and not even thinking about wanting one. When I think about a cig the thought is more surprise that I really don't want one.

Yay! Another eRoll convert...first Thaya and now Claudia. I concur--the eRoll is a different kind of e-cig. Certainly doesn't work for everyone, but I credit mine for my 24 hour quit time the first time around. I haven't used mine in about a month now, maybe I should give it a go again. :D
 
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