Yes I still Smoke Cigarettes and I am addicted to the smoking habit - support and chat thread.

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ShariR

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You are just too much! Thanks for the thought but ice cream is not the same unless it is real. But it sure looks good. And your timing is always right when I could go for something. Glad to see you again. Are you just the ice cream fairy and flit around delivering delicious ice cream to people?


Hi everyone* and oh* all of this talk about food goodness* I just had to bring some sugar free non- fat 0 calorie ice cream for you all * enjoy * {{{{{hugs}}}} all around * xoxoxo {{{Lori}}}

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Oh Geez. Now I am going to be up all night guessing again. You had to tell me that. I love doing that. DH laughs at me and thinks I am nuts to stay up and do that for hours, but WTH if I am up, why not.

I have gotten involved in a story thread. It gets pretty funny and crazy. You post part of a story and the next poster continues it on. You can add a paragraph of just part of a sentence. It is also a contest for something, don't remember what. Something to do and read when you don't want to learn or think, but do something quiet at night. Here's the link for that if you want to check it out.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/one-stop-diy-shop/452933-another-story-contest.html

Sounds like fun. I'll definitely check it out.

I like to play the Song Title Conversation Game. Dale plays it sometimes, too. You should check out that one.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/lounge/440158-song-title-conversation-game.html

Geez, the things we stay up all night doing. :facepalm:
 
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I am sooo glad you got a good night's sleep. We forget how important sleep is for our general well being. And it's really good you are getting all those tests now. Maybe not too long to get you started on feeling better. I have read a few posts about that Yaeliq juice from Israel. Though I thought I read it was expensive. The $18 for 100ml sounds pretty cheap to me, if you get a flavor you can also use as something to mix with another, looks like it may be worth a try. Unless the shipping cost is a killer.

The Yaeliq would be worth ordering now. The $18 is an August half off special. He also has samplers 5x11ml random but several category's. With $50 order, the shipping is free, otherwise it's $10. I'm surprised reviews are as consistantly good and from sources that would say if they weren't good.

I also ran into another Nude Nic (ECF supplier) that is claiming it's WTA - DVAP is saying prove it, but reviews are comparing it to WL's ICE. They know how to throw around alkaloid words. That's about all I know, however it's got me interested. There's a number of companies that have my curiosity pinged. Gad this stuff is addicting. I wasted most of my (not-so-free) time reading about extraction methods (eek), I shouldn't have done that ...
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Medical stuff went south. Insurance not covering but they haven't billed me. I think they were planning to the same thing again, and dump $10k worth when it's too late to refile to achive clean claim status or for me to appeal. I looked briefly at private insurance and no way. And I know it's that way all over. My brother's got a dinasour union job, ready to retire and he's sweating it. I even took a brief look at the actual ACA bill for the first time and it's consumer protections. I was kinda surprised. Maybe insurance is being stinky as a last hurrah.

I had 2 prescriptions not covered for the first time too. They were covered 3 months ago. Formulary's not online either. I could turn over my entire gross wages and still end up owing and I really don't have intense medical needs, not like diabetes or heart problems. This is stupid.

Shari - come visit me. If we can figure out how to establish your residency here (not hard) you can go to a couple of federal healthcare centers no charge. I've heard good things. I think that's my next stop. I hate this stuff.

Rant over. For now anyway.
 

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I keep reading posts from people in Arizona that have that exact problem. There is an active Phoenix group on here, I think where all the states have their group threads. Bet you will find several answers there. Personally, I have no ideas for you. Hope you find a good solution, and let us know what works. It usually is close to 100 degrees in Nashville around this time, we are having a very cool summer this year.

AC. The heat here is a lot dryer. I spent an August in Houston and I could barely breathe the air was so thick and humid. It wasn't even 90f. It made AZ feel like paradise in comparison. I do fine with an evap and never see a bill over $25. AC? Easy $200. Big difference.

I haven't had the leaking problems and that maybe because I'm using thicker liquids - VG.
 

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Good Night FQ!
Nite Dale...

Just had time to sit down...came home, had to take the cats out, made dinner. We had steak fajitas--I got gluten free tortillas, BF got the "real" flour ones. The gluten free ones weren't too bad, and I can already feel them getting digested; unilke the two regular ones I had last night that sat in my stomach for more than 4 hours. :facepalm:

On my way home tonight, I stopped and got some swedish snus. OMG. I don't know what I was expecting, but what I got was definitely NOT it.

Got some spearmint ones, and the packets are very small. Apparently not small enough, because I couldn't jam the packet in high enough to not have the bag resting over my teeth. It burned, and then it seemed fine. I was getting a little bit of a nicotine rush, and the mint was great. Then....a little more burning, then....

...all of a sudden it felt and tasted like my mouth was bleeding. I kind of freaked out and pulled out the packet, and realized my saliva had just wetted the packet enough to make a little "juice" that was floating back to the back of my throat and down. The taste...OMG the taste...
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And then as I was tossing the packet, I saw the crap on my fingers and wondered if my teeth would end up tea-stained if I used this stuff long term. Overall, not a good experience!

But I might try it again...:p

Thanks. I've kept my eye open for some of that since it was suggested to me when I first came into ECF. I haven't seen it that I know of. I think I'd freak with it too. Did you know snus makes good tobacco extractions?
 

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I used to hold my breath going over tall bridges (we have many here). I still have dreams where I'm driving along on a bridge and I don't really know where I'm going. I'll be following a sign and take an "exit" off the main bridge but it turns out it's just one of those parts of a bridge where the DOT has planned to expand but hasn't built anything there. You know, where the part of the freeway on the bridge just stops at a chain link fence? And I drive off it into the drink. I have those dreams often, and they are terrifying!

You do have the bridges. I used to live off NE Halsey. Is the Burnside still there - with that famous sign, Hung Far Lo? LOL! I love Portland.

 

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Lox, your #7, butterscotch caramel tobacco is wonderful. At 3.7 it was not enough flavor. At 3.8 the butterscotch sings through clear and sweet with some creaminess to it and light tobacco for me. At 3.9 I start losing the sweet butterscotch and don't like it as much. It is delicious. The butterscotch on inhale, the creaminess then the tobacco towards the exhale. Yum. Is that what you taste?

The only butterscotch I have tasted is the High Desert Vapes and I don't like it's chemical taste. I taste no chemicals in your mix. It is easy to see vaping this all day. It reminds me of what my Gold gives me, only in butterscotch. And I love butterscotch.

Now does someone make a butterscotch tobacco? Or do you have to set up shop so I have a supplier. Never paid attention if there are butterscotch tobaccos out there.

... that does sound yummy. :p
 

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Aik - what in the world kind of company do you work for? And the insurance company has to provide you with the formulary info, if not online then in writing. Start an email bombing campaign, it will document your requests for bills and updated formulary. Email them every few days and mail a copy to the company every week or so, certified mail, so someone has to sign for it. There is your proof, acceptable in court. Get your employer benefits person on this. They should have easier access to the insurance company; at least a sales person there who will be more likely to get you a human contact. Something does not sound right about this. Ask your employer for another copy of the insurance handbook, say you lost yours. That should give you all their rules on claims and timeframes you must adhere to. If you have to get your dr to resubmit your claim and med records, get a copy for yourself. You only have so many days to get this done. Normally if they deny a claim, they need to notify you within x amount of days leaving you with plenty of time for you to appeal. Are you going to in network drs? That makes a difference. Out of network can be a whole different procedural process. You may have to follow different rules and submit your own claims. Doctors offices sometimes can make lots of mistakes and fall behind on the process if it is not a run of the mill ins co or an out of network claim. Some of the billing people are fresh out of a school that will pass my Kitty as long as the govt paid the tuition. You sound like you are pretty experienced with this process, so I am probably telling you things you already know.

Are you in Tucson or are you more north and closer to the Indian lands and artist community towns. I know there are a few up in there. And I know you told me this before and I looked through some old posts and could not find it. I forget stuff fairly frequently, my fault. I would love to come visit, but I don't think DH would go for it. And I do not know if I could take Tucson heat with my heart. I feel fine, but in the heat I have trouble breathing and my heart gets wonky. I am not a delicate flower but seem to be on the wiltin side of things.
 

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Swedish Fish according to MBV is a lime flavored gummy candy. Lox's version is quite tasty and I don't go for candy vapes at all. This I enjoy.

I'm not a gummy person either so that's good news. That's why I was so surprised that I liked Unicorn's Blood - it's like a clean tasting Hawaiian Punch. Ewww to drink. Yum to vape. Whodathunk it?

 

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I have not had a cigarette since I started vaping, but oddly enough put with the right group of friends and I smoke a hookah or cigars from time to time, I was one if the lucky ones (can't even stand to smoke a cigarette any more). But I do feel for all of you that couldn't put it down so easy.

As a note for my story I tried many cig alikes, blu, and v2 which didn't help me quit at all, in fact actually made me smoke more, went from 2 pad to 3 when I bought blu. It wasn't until last year that I even realized there was more to vaping than the cig alikes and had one last ditch effort and bought an ego... which actually did the trick, 36 mg e juice was the key for me I think, flavors were decent but not amazing, the juice was from mad vapes.

Hi Mark! :)
 

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Ok. From my last night to now:

PM lox when I get up and am on a computer instead of my phone.

Try for pall mall coupons in the future. people actually smoke them. evidently everyone I actually 'know' is just really friggin picky cuz all of us refuse. the only thing lower on my list tends to be winstons. I'll happily smoke unfiltered before winstons. ugh

and ya'll evidently need to try real haribo gummys, not just the bears you can easily find in the US. they might convert you to the legion of gummy candy lovers.

Yup. I think that covers most of my thoughts over the past few pages.
 

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Aik - what in the world kind of company do you work for? And the insurance company has to provide you with the formulary info, if not online then in writing. Start an email bombing campaign, it will document your requests for bills and updated formulary. Email them every few days and mail a copy to the company every week or so, certified mail, so someone has to sign for it. There is your proof, acceptable in court. Get your employer benefits person on this. They should have easier access to the insurance company; at least a sales person there who will be more likely to get you a human contact. Something does not sound right about this. Ask your employer for another copy of the insurance handbook, say you lost yours. That should give you all their rules on claims and timeframes you must adhere to. If you have to get your dr to resubmit your claim and med records, get a copy for yourself. You only have so many days to get this done. Normally if they deny a claim, they need to notify you within x amount of days leaving you with plenty of time for you to appeal. Are you going to in network drs? That makes a difference. Out of network can be a whole different procedural process. You may have to follow different rules and submit your own claims. Doctors offices sometimes can make lots of mistakes and fall behind on the process if it is not a run of the mill ins co or an out of network claim. Some of the billing people are fresh out of a school that will pass my Kitty as long as the govt paid the tuition. You sound like you are pretty experienced with this process, so I am probably telling you things you already know.

Are you in Tucson or are you more north and closer to the Indian lands and artist community towns. I know there are a few up in there. And I know you told me this before and I looked through some old posts and could not find it. I forget stuff fairly frequently, my fault. I would love to come visit, but I don't think DH would go for it. And I do not know if I could take Tucson heat with my heart. I feel fine, but in the heat I have trouble breathing and my heart gets wonky. I am not a delicate flower but seem to be on the wiltin side of things.

All I can say is there are reason's why attorneys won't touch this with a 10' pole. Yes, there are laws on the books and there is no enforcement, no penalties. Half the time when I push it, a few months later, something gets approved as a "technical change" so they don't have to do it - like accepting medical records from outside of network. They don't have to anymore. That's state law now. Essentially a person needs to be born in network. That appeared when I was trying to get my cancer monitored in network, but because it was treated out of network, no records were accepted and no monitoring. You could say that for any chronic condition. This is what I mean that states control the insurance - at least the ACA will eventually standardize some of that. There are also contridictory laws - like giving you all the treatment options. Then further on, another statute says that if you are referred out of network (i.e. no specialist in network) the doctor can be held financially liable. I think that's pretty standard in most provider contracts now. So who is more likely to enforce? The patient that wasn't given their treatment options (if they know it) or the insurance when a patent steps out of network? The result is that doctors don't give treatment options that they know insurance won't cover.

Part of the problem is utilization. This insurance uses Million Robertson (I think that's the name) M&R. It's based on insurance standards - what most insurance covers and doesn't cover, not medically based standards of care. So that ends a lot of arguements right there. Medical neccessity standards don't apply and they don't get me anywhere. I have to be able to translate EVERYTHING into a legal standard. That's all I got. I am pretty sure a lot of people's insurance does the same but unless they bump up against it, they wouldn't know since insurance considers utilization to be propietary.

If insurance is employer supplied, there is this thing called ERISA that prevents taking them to court or so called "tort reform". Insurance claimed all these misc. court cases cost them too much money and convinced AMA, etc. that premiums would go down. Well, premiums didn't go down and were still stuck with ERISA. That's federal. Again, unless people bump up against it, they probably wouldn't know it's there. Most sick people aren't good at waiting and jumping over all the hurdles that insurance can throw into their way. Yes, there's a grienvence line but no requirement that they answer it and they don't - so it's unreported. Yes they publish a formulary, my scripts were on it. There's no requirement that it's online and who knows where my "notification" went. I may get it before next year. I'd have better luck with a lottery ticket.

My first appeal took over 4 years to get to administrative hearing (which is non-binding anyway). That time I did FINALLY get an attorney to feel sorry for me. They filed a motion of continuance and within hours, once they saw an attorney, my doctor got a call from the medical director saying, "I can't defend this" and approved treatment, It was the FIRST time he even looked at my file. There is also another law saying denials MUST go through medical personal and directors office. Yea, right. Not many conditions can be held off for that long until treated. The next time, I couldn't wait. Insurance never has responded to repeated requests for expedited approvals, never given me written notice, doesn't follow regulations at all. So what. There's no penalty.

It's pretty clear to me that because I did win the appeal again -after I had gotten treatment (not reimbursed) that my medical records disappeared. Some of it was because a doctor got investigated and cleared. He gave me a pathology report saying my tumor was benign (which I have) and sent one to the cancer center, same date, saying I had invasive cancer (which I also have). The doctor was going to let me die because he knew insurance wouldn't treat it and they wouldn't have (no specialist in network). He also stalked me for awhile (another story). Since then, I can't get squat, no medical records etc. That's a problem with the old boy network.

I'm going to U of A medical school, thinking a teaching orgainization would be above the old boy network and I think they are. They are doing medical records, requesting them, etc. It's the insurance throwing monkey wrenches in. I don't have a recourse until they bill/deny care and they aren't doing that until it's too late. Pretty simple.

It's a book that's not my favorite. It helps to blow off steam.

I took a quick look at private insurance (web form) all they know is age and sex. $10,000 deductable with $170/mth payments. $5k deductible with $300/mth payments. Unreal. Give me Medicare - and they are older and sicker and use medical standards. Go figure.
 
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Aik, sounds like you know your stuff. Insurance is state controlled and Obamacare is not touching that with a ten foot pole. It stays the same. In TN is even goes by county. In my county DH has 3 choices for a Medicare Advantage care. If we lived about 3 miles away in the next county, he would have more than 6 choices. I have no choices. I am eligible to go to the County Health Clinic. You are allowed to call one phone # at 8am the first day of the month. I did that every month for a year and a half now. By the end of 3 or 4 minutes th line is no longer busy and I get through. The appts are always gone. Three months ago I talked to the lady and she must have slipped up because she told me they were down to one doctor and were only making 8 new patient appts in the whole month. I had to call back next month. This is for a whole county!

ERiSA is a whole other story. They have their own set of rules and regulations outside of state insurance laws. What a tough one. I think they are just waiting and hoping for all the sick people and old people to hurry up and die. Pretty sad. Just letting the insurance companies compete across state lines and in all counties would solve a little of this problem, more so for the people, not the insurance companies. That's why that won't happen.

There has got to be a way to play their game within their rules. You sound smart enough to figure it out. Gotta be a way. My sister plays the simpering miss and the doctors and nurses go out of their way to fall all over her and she smiles and tells them how smart they are and how kind of them to be so good to her. And she gets her way. She also has great insurance, which is a biggie. I can't play that role, doesn't work for me, I can't pull it off. I don't know what to tell you. Just that you are not alone.
 
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