Yes please allow me to place my lips on that
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Vape shops sell cigalikes and do have displays. If vaping companies are using these type of displays then anywhere that sells their product is going to have displays like this...including vape shops. Maybe this type of practice does not stop with cigalikes...maybe some B&M's have been noted practicing this same method with flavor tasting. You and another poster say you have witnessed these types of displays and I agree who in their right mind would think this is ok..but apparently it's ok in the eyes of many who are allowing it....so how many more businesses are out there that think it's ok. Yes, i think this very well could be a connection for the local bannings we are seeing across the country for flavor testing in B&M's. Neither one of us can say for sure..but it sure is interesting when one ask on what basis would flavor testing need to be banned?
The vaping industry shots itself in the foot all the time I am not terribly surprised at the can of worms this may have opened up to support such bans.
My experience. ..
44 states this past year
Hundreds of grocery and convenience stores.
Dozens of vape shops.
Not a single one in a vape shop so far.
Very few elsewhere anyway.
You're wrong. Period.
Your association is grossly and patently presumptuous, depending greatly on a massive ignorance of how and why we came to face regulation.
But hey. If what's on display in hundreds of stores across nearly the entire CONUS isn't evidence of fact, you're free to believe what you want. I hope you understand it's only because you want to and flies in the face of greater experience and evidence for your sake.
ETA: I'd like to also point out that vape shops with juice bars use disposable condoms over their drip tips... And that if you're in a vape shop you likely don't need to be coerced into trying vaping.
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I will only address one part of this post. A little back story first. This takes place a few years back when the smoking indoors ban was sweeping the country. A friend of ours built his own convenience store a few years before it hit. It is a nice sized store that also has a deli that serves home style cooking. He built it with his own money, on his own land.
It became the local hang out for a lot of the older folks that would stop in for breakfast and sometimes would end up spending half the day there. Most of them were smokers. It wasn't a problem for the owner or the folks that worked there since most of them were smokers too. He installed good ventilation because he knew that smoking would take place in there. Once the indoor smoking ban swept the country he was FORCED to put up the no smoking signs and was FORCED to enforce the law. He personally would be fined if he didn't follow the law.
That, my friend, is what is behind the ban on testing flavors. The busybodies are again hard at work. They don't like the fact that it looks like smoke and folks are enjoying themselves so they are going to put a stop to it.
and this isn't directed at any one person. the ones it applies to know who they are. I have come to the conclusion that folks are gonna do dumb things (for example, convenience store cig-a-like tester) and some folks like to argue, just for the sake of arguing, no matter the subject. Two sides of a coin is one thing but there comes a point to where it gets totally off the wall and downright ridiculous. Seems like most of the threads lately quickly end up that way. Must be something in the air or water
I am just going to say this...if the goal is to hamper vaping then taking away the ability to hang out in shops and test products and flavors is a good way to knock down shop traffic and sales. The longer someone is in a vape shop the more likely they will buy vape related products. I am not saying they care about health outbreaks caused by doing this stuff or care about vapers...but if there is a way to hamper and deter vaping gatherings and sales in shops this would fit right into accomplishing that. Getting wind that these types of practices are taking place whether in gas stations or shops..or both...is a good reason for local officials to jump on the opportunity and say they are justified and protecting the health of the public by banning product and flavoring sampling.
Seriously though..how do we fight and defend these practices when it's thrown back in our faces for why such action has been taken? There are just some things the vaping industry inflicts on itself.
Ya know everybody seems to have their own conspiracy theory for everything that happens, but at the end of the day when it comes to this matter..vaping companies are putting out displays for people to sample off of with no regard for health concerns..it's wrong, irresponsible and it's going to warrant a response in dealing with it. I believe bans on this kind of activity is going to result and has already extended out to other like practices such as flavor sampling...it is what it is and it was self inflicted period...no conspiracy theory or antz needed on this one.
Let's cut the BS.
I think we all know that regulations were comming regardless of store displays or cloud size.
Let's be honest.
It's all about money and protecting the cash flow from BT and everyone knows it.
I think we all know that regulations were comming regardless of store displays or cloud size.
Let's be honest.
It's all about money and protecting the cash flow from BT and everyone knows it.
Federal Regulations: Yes. This type of Display isn't going to Cause Federal Regulations. Because those Regulations have been in the works for Many Years.
It's State and Local Regulations that things like this become the "Poster Child" for.
It's State and Local Regulations that things like this become the "Poster Child" for.
I get what you are saying, I think.
Are you trying to say we need to protect the sincerely stupid people from Possibly causing harm to themselves?
Or are you trying to say we as a people need to be controlled in our every action and movement, for the better of humanity?
If it is either of the above, where does it end? When do we stop trying to control each other?
What do we do if there is a sudden rash of people licking the handle of the crapper at the local truck stop? Hey, might sound off the wall, there have been national, hell, international laws, regulations and some very stiff penalties including prison time for people licking the 'wrong' thing.
Ya know it's comments like this that are soo out of touch with reality i don't know why i bother. This is the world we live in and these are the issues we are faced with...back to planet earth. Whether we like it or not, we are surrounded by fed, state and local "powers that be" who will ban and regulate what they see fit. It's in our best interest to accept that and until we can change it, let's not give them anymore reason then the ones they come up with to ban and regulate things we do not want ban and regulated.
Ok lets break it down to something your willing to entertain then. But look up laws about licking things, you'll shock yourself.
You believe that having an ecig out in open display for public use, is cause for regulation tightening.
What about the pumps that we put gas in the cars with? I mean seriously, people pick their noses while driving, scratch their poop boxes, then pump gas. next person goes up and pumps gas, then stops at the local choke and puke for a fast fried heart attack on a concrete filled bun.
Now, who should we blame when the guy gets sick and hocks up that cat rib sammich posing as beef which was caught two weeks ago Thursday in the neighborhood, and has not been refrigerated since?
I mean hell, should we not be regulating what people are introducing to their bodies? Is this not pure unadulterated cause for regulation to use the same hospital type glove that doc uses to perform prostrate exams?
A vape shop I have never been back to, had some CE4s and spinners for testing flavors (fairly typical), but He handed me the tanks I requested, and then a battery and no mouth condom... I asked for one, and he assured me that the drip tips were cleaned with alcohol pads after every use...
Same way any other group SUCCESSFULLY fights back...
1 Facts
2 Cutting through the BS rhetoric (that you're supporting and even creating)
3 DO SOMETHING
4 ACTUALLY do something
5 support those that are DOING SOMETHING
6 lend your voice to those groups that are fighting and DOING SOMETHING
7 STAND UP for your liberties UNTIL THEY'RE RIGHTS
8 GIVE NOTHING to the opposition (opposite of your arguments here)
9 TAKE EVERY liberty by force and with numbers
10 discuss WHAT WE WANT, NOT WHAT THEY'LL TAKE AND HOW
11 progress FORWARD with every breath spoken and every stroke typed (instead of feeding the opposition ideas in an open forum)
12 Realize there's such a thing as choosing your own destiny (don't choose mine by repeating what they can do and how to take my liberties in a public forum THEY DON'T NEED ANYMORE OF YOUR IDEAS)
13 DO SOMETHING THAT SOLIDIFIES YOUR LIBERTIES AS RIGHTS
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@DeAnna2112 I feel your passion and energy, I just thinks it's a bit misdirected.
Many of us feel much the same way as you.
Take that enthusiasm and direct it towards the cause. I think you could do a lot of good with it.
Too many people take their energy and waste it. Seriously, the world requires your kind of energy, focused properly people can do a lot of awesome things.
Many of us feel much the same way as you.
Take that enthusiasm and direct it towards the cause. I think you could do a lot of good with it.
Too many people take their energy and waste it. Seriously, the world requires your kind of energy, focused properly people can do a lot of awesome things.
This exactly. This crude "try before you buy" display is merely an attempt of some gas station or convenience store to embrace the "tasting bar" concept, while being WOEFULLY unprepared to do so -- real vape shops have either the disposable condom covers, or disposable driptips for each patron to use -- the cost of those is figured into the shop's overhead. This crude display is an attempt to "be like the big boys" while making zero attempt to insure hygiene for their customers. This is a matter for the health dept, not the FDA; the FDA has zero interest in stupid crap like this!
Those localities who have banned test-vaping are not concerned with health either -- they're concerned for MONEY! If people don't buy cigarettes, they're out a substantial amount of money -- which is the crux of the entire effort to ban and/or discredit vaping. Those localities are also governed by knee-jerk control-freak puritans, who see something that looks like smoke, so they ASSUME it's just as bad as smoke -- which makes them ignorant fools. You know what ASSuming does to those who do it.
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I see what you did there.Yeah, it probably is zero milligram.
As a person who believes in exposing myself to and collecting germs...
Even I wouldn't touch that thing with a 10-foot pole...
^^^Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a Winner!^^^
Baskin & Robbins uses disposable tasting spoons for a reason, and it's not FDA regs. Standard health codes and application of some common sense.
I immediately thought that set up might get better use if it were protruding through a hole in the restroom wall.
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I have no choice in the matter: my wife works with two year-olds all day. Little walking, talking Petri dishes.
If there's any strain of the Plague of the Week going around, we get exposed to it.
I spent Memorial Day weekend afflicted with a particularly virulent strain of a stomach bug they were passing around, and I pride myself for having a very robust immune system that usually kicks those things to the curb.
I passed my compliments on to them for sharing a virus that was able to have me on the toilet and barfing into a garbage can simultaneously.
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