We wouldn't need warning labels in a perfect world were the consumer is taught how to properly use said consumable by the retailer selling said consumable.
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I bought a new car, the dealer didn't tell me how to drive it.
It does have an annoying permanent sticker on the visor tho.
Apparently my car can roll over....
It does have an annoying permanent sticker on the visor tho.
Apparently my car can roll over....
@Bad Ninja You know, I don't disagree with you that critical thinking skills can be lacking with some people these days. As a teacher, when asked what are the most important things to teach, the first thing that comes out of my mouth is critical and creative thinking skills. I don't disagree with you on that point. I do however, think that when you buy a consumer product, that the manufacturer/distributor has an obligation to include instructions on proper and safe use. As mentioned, many if not most, in the vaping industry do this. Is this going to stop everyone from ignoring what's safe use or not reading the instruction sheet? Of course not. But I for one, do read the warning/instruction sheets that come with the products that I buy and I'm pretty sure I'm not that only one. I just think you're taking this point of view, that it's an issue of critical thinking to an extreme. If you have no idea that these batteries can be dangerous, why would you look it up in the first place? I do agree that with the number of stories lately, it's becoming harder to imagine that most people wouldn't be clued in. But then some people don't watch/read the news.
Cars can roll over. Table saws can remove fingers. Drinking out of toilets is bad, but some hotels still put up signs saying don't drink out of the toilet. Go figure.
BTW, we are talking about a population of ex-smokers. Apparently none of us researched the dangers of smoking before we started or decided to ignore the dangers. Add to the health dangers, approximately 800 people are killed every year due to smoking related fires.
So much for our collective critical thinking skills.
So much for our collective critical thinking skills.
BTW, we are talking about a population of ex-smokers. Apparently none of us researched the dangers of smoking before we started or decided to ignore the dangers. Add to the health dangers, approximately 800 people are killed every year due to smoking related fires.
So much for our collective critical thinking skills.
Well, there's a big fat warning lable right on every single pack we bought and smoked.
Lotta good that did.
Well, it did bring in taxes upon taxes upon sin taxes. And alot of wonderful FDA oversight.
Yep.
Warning lables and restrictions.
That will obviously work.
Now Im thinking maybe we should focus more on history in school.
Warnings and education didn't do any good?
Warnings and education didn't do any good?
Actually, use went up by 10% in the 5 years immediately after lables were enacted.
Then resumed the same steady decline as before.
Education.
Not regulation.
How many people who buy a car ever bother to read the few hundred page manual filled with all sorts of useful stuff and information, including safety information and warnings? Still, while a significant number of people do overlook that helpful manual, it is appropriate that it's provided. It is also appropriate for common sense regulation to assure it HAS to be in there, even if a segment of buyers are too lazy, or unable due to illiteracy to ever read it.
How many recall letters go out about known defects in cars (and lots of other products) yet many will simply toss the notice out like junk mail and never do something simple, like get their brake lines fixed for free before they might fail? Of course, if and when they do fail, they'll still sue the car maker (or whoever) claiming they never received proper notice or notice that was understandable (it's a sad commentary on our society, but not only do we not have close to a 100% literacy in this country, our rates trail many developing countries with far fewer resources).
Regulation cannot substitute for information and education. But given the real world we live in, regulation is required to attempt at least a modicum of safety in the marketplace. It will never go away. It should be kept to the minimum required to achieve a reasonable reduction in risk to the public. It will never eliminate all risk, and should not be designed with the intention of doing so as it is an impossible goal as risk can never be eliminated in every circumstance.
In a real world context, I'd rather have a regulation for a printed warning about proper battery use than a regulation banning replaceable batteries in something like a mod as too risky to be allowed on the market. There will never be zero regulation, so the goal should be a thoughtful process of what is a reasonable set of regulations that do not burden business or users with excessive and overly restrictive requirements.
The general consensus is that the mod involved in the incident that started this thread is a reuleaux 2/3 right? If I'm not mistaken, this mod comes with a user manual, with the appropriate warnings.
While correlation doesn't prove causation, I do think that the warning labels were, likely, not too effective. Choosing to smoke hasn't been a rational choice since before I started. Most people who pick it up are kids who are not concerned with long term issues.
I just added that we are all ex-smokers as a tongue in cheek comment.
True.
We also don't have conclusive evidence that it was user error. Granted the pocket full of batteries was not good, but as I've noted before, it looked like there was an internal battery that vented and at least one of the spares looks to be intact.
Warning labels didn't stop me from buying a pack of red 72's...
I have high doubts that the device caused an 18650 to vent. Of course it's possible but I'm betting on the pocket full of 18650's and change.
But then instructions on proper use of a product and heath warnings are really apples and oranges. People have reasons they want to smoke, as unfounded as they may be. I'm not sure why anyone would want to burn their legs or hands. Is it considered cool to have a pocket full of loose 18650s?
since it keeps happening.. i guess it is... i'll go with a couple of stores in my area, they won't sell certain types of mods or batteries to their customers unless they do a quick test for the mechs and a lecture about the batteries from them, anyone who leaves their stores and pockets the mod/batteries and they torch them, is a darwin award runner up. this is owners who decided to be proactive and work to prevent user error as being part of the equation, one customer at a time.
most aren't.. or they are and the customer doesn't listen anyhow. we're trying to prevent the same garbage as the FDA has done there... there's enough against vapers already with all the misinformation out there. as i've said before, i got lucky, one of my friends opened a shop (he's plotting to open his 6th now) a few years ago. he made sure i knew the basics and didn't get ripped off when we finally bought ours, we just had to wait till the nearest shop was only a 3 hour round trip... not over 4 hours.
So do I.
I think ita a great way to limit liability and keep customers coming back.
But keep in mind most vape stores have minimum wage employees.
Expecting to get quality information from a vape store clerk is like expecting nutritional information from the fry cook at burger king.
You still need to actually do the research to be safe.
i agree, he started me on the path the right way and i continued to educate myself more, especially once i started building my own.
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