Yet another explosion

[beckdg]

@Bad NinjaI do however, think that when you buy a consumer product, that the manufacturer/distributor has an obligation to include instructions on proper and safe use.

And this is why self driving cars will be forced on the motoring public.

Uber stops California self-driving car program after DMV puts the brakes on

When I was younger, I had jobs working with machines that had open, accessible gears with tens of thousands of pounds of force behind them.

Nobody had to tell someone to unplug them before putting hands near those gears.

That's sadly not the case these days.

Seems all these warnings and safety features have mentally numbed society having the opposite effect of what is desirable.

I'm honestly surprised weed whackers are legal these days.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

How many people who buy a car ever bother to read the few hundred page manual filled with all sorts of useful stuff and information, including safety information and warnings? Still, while a significant number of people do overlook that helpful manual, it is appropriate that it's provided. It is also appropriate for common sense regulation to assure it HAS to be in there, even if a segment of buyers are too lazy, or unable due to illiteracy to ever read it.

How many recall letters go out about known defects in cars (and lots of other products) yet many will simply toss the notice out like junk mail and never do something simple, like get their brake lines fixed for free before they might fail? Of course, if and when they do fail, they'll still sue the car maker (or whoever) claiming they never received proper notice or notice that was understandable (it's a sad commentary on our society, but not only do we not have close to a 100% literacy in this country, our rates trail many developing countries with far fewer resources).

Regulation cannot substitute for information and education. But given the real world we live in, regulation is required to attempt at least a modicum of safety in the marketplace. It will never go away. It should be kept to the minimum required to achieve a reasonable reduction in risk to the public. It will never eliminate all risk, and should not be designed with the intention of doing so as it is an impossible goal as risk can never be eliminated in every circumstance.

In a real world context, I'd rather have a regulation for a printed warning about proper battery use than a regulation banning replaceable batteries in something like a mod as too risky to be allowed on the market. There will never be zero regulation, so the goal should be a thoughtful process of what is a reasonable set of regulations that do not burden business or users with excessive and overly restrictive requirements.

I read every page when I signed for my mortgage.



I'm an anomaly.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

True.

We also don't have conclusive evidence that it was user error. Granted the pocket full of batteries was not good, but as I've noted before, it looked like there was an internal battery that vented and at least one of the spares looks to be intact.

Oh, there WAS user error.

That's undeniable.

All those batteries and not a single case.

That IS error.

What caused the fire is ALMOST undoubtable.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

Is it considered cool to have a pocket full of loose 18650s?

Evidence suggests popularity is growing amongst the cool kids.



Tapatyped

 

[Ed_C]

I'm not sure how an article on self-driving cars being pulled off the roads has anything to do with this.

 

[Ed_C]

Oh, there WAS user error.

That's undeniable.

All those batteries and not a single case.

That IS error.

What caused the fire is ALMOST undoubtable.

Tapatyped

I'm glad you're so sure. Hopefully you're not a forensic investigator.

 

[beckdg]

I'm not sure how an article on self-driving cars being pulled off the roads has anything to do with this.

It's where our society is going.

We're not just going to have warnings.

We're going to be replaced in our own vehicles.

The means are already roaming the streets.

Ever seen the movie idiocracy?

Pretty sure it'll be a historical documentary one day.

I'm glad you're so sure. Hopefully you're not a forensic investigator.

So batteries loose in the pocket isn't an error?

Or did you see battery cases nobody else sees?

Tapatyped

 

[Bad Ninja]

I can tell you this as fact:
Anyone that carries loose batteries in their pocket doesnt have any experience with doing so.
Not even a regular AA cell.
Or they wouldnt.

Assuming that everything is safe unless you are warned beforehand is akin to having a deathwish.

 

[Ed_C]

That's one steep slippery slope you got there. I just don't see it.

Yes, I've seen Idiocracy and while I do think there's a thread of truth in it, it's taking an idea and taking it to a ridiculous extreme for comedic effect. Smart people still procreate, just at, perhaps, a someone lower rate than those who shouldn't be continuing their genetic lines.

As I've said, the loose batteries are not safe, but I'm not convinced that it was the loose batteries that started the reaction, as one of the batteries that looked to be inside the mod, looked to be to have vented. Sure it's easy to jump to conclusions, particularly when it goes along with what you'd like to be true, but I demand more evidence before I will make concert statements. I try not to jump to conclusions without strong evidence to back my statements.

 

[Burnie]

I can tell you this as fact:
Anyone that carries loose batteries in their pocket doesnt have any experience with doing so.
Not even a regular AA cell.
Or they wouldnt.

Assuming that everything is safe unless you are warned beforehand is akin to having a deathwish.

Sorry beg to differ For YEARS I have carried a battery in my pocket, not in a case, a loose battery BUT it is in the watch pocket or a cargo pocket, ALL BY IT SELF, nothing ever goes in there but "1 Battery", Nothing it could short with, which is NOT unsafe (IMHO), so I take your statement as incorrect. JMHO

 

[Bad Ninja]

That's one steep slippery slope you got there. I just don't see it.

Yes, I've seen Idiocracy and while I do think there's a thread of truth in it, it's taking an idea and taking it to a ridiculous extreme for comedic effect. Smart people still procreate, just at, perhaps, a someone lower rate then those who shouldn't be continuing their genetic lines.

As I've said, the loose batteries are not safe, but I'm not convinced that it was the loose batteries that started the reaction, as one of the batteries that looked to be inside the mod, looked to be to have vented. Sure it's easy to jump to conclusions, particularly when it goes along with what you'd like to be true, but I demand more evidence before I will make concert statements. I try not to jump to conclusions without strong evidence to back my statements.

We DO see loose cells. And vented cells.
Ray Charles could see this person had no idea how to use their gear safely.

The evidence is clear.

No imaginary scenario will change that.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Sorry beg to differ For YEARS I have carried a battery in my pocket, not in a case, a loose battery BUT it is in the watch pocket or a cargo pocket, ALL BY IT SELF, nothing ever goes in there but "1 Battery", Nothing it could short with, which is NOT unsafe (IMHO), so I take your statement as incorrect. JMHO

And you know this is a risk, yet you still do it.
(Bet you wont throw two in your front pocket along with a mod, like the pics show that person did. )


You are a grown adult and can make decisions. I believe you should have the right to do so.
If you sit wrong and vent a cell I doubt youll blame the shop that sold you the cell.

I also think when you eventually vent one youll stop that silliness and start being safe.

 

[Ed_C]

We DO see loose cells. And vented cells.

And I've said this over and over.

 

[Burnie]

If you sit wrong and vent a cell

Please tell me how that would be possible? NOTHING else in the pocket to connect the + and -, so not possible for it to short??? Or do you know something I don't about how batteries short???

 

[Bad Ninja]

Please tell me how that would be possible? NOTHING else in the pocket to connect the + and -, so not possible for it to short??? Or do you know something I don't about how batteries short???

Lmao.
If you carry loose cells in your pocket and brag about it in a thread discussion exploding batteries, then yeah.. I probably know alot more about them than you. Definitely have more experience with thermal runaway...unless of course you wear asbestos underwear.




And you guys still think mandatory warning lables will help?
Lol

 

[Ed_C]

1. Battery next to mod vented and deformed. 2. At least one battery away from mod, not vented and still wrapped. Now obviously, this is not conclusive, as there's no telling how these landed on the floor, but it's enough to make me question.

 

[Ed_C]

Lmao.
If you carry loose cells in your pocket and brag about it in a thread discussion exploding batteries, then yeah.. I probably know alot more about them than you. Definitely have more experience with thermal runaway...unless of course you wear asbestos underwear.




And you guys still think mandatory warning lables will help?
Lol

So how is a single battery going to short in an empty pocket? Metal pants?

 

[Burnie]

Lmao.
If you carry loose cells in your pocket and brag about it in a thread discussion exploding batteries, then yeah.. I probably know alot more about them than you. Definitely have more experience with thermal runaway...unless of course you wear asbestos underwear.




And you guys still think mandatory warning lables will help?
Lol

Well I guess you DON'T know a LOT more about them because you Didn't answer my question as to "How a SINGLE battery can short WITHOUT anything to connect the + and -". As I said in my first post, it was not "Loose Cells", it was ONE battery in a pocket ALL BY ITSELF (no keys, no change, no mod, nothing but 1 battery), I asked you how could that short, and you just avoid the question, so I ASK YOU AGAIN, HOW CAN ONE BATTERY SHORT WITHOUT THE + and - BEING ABLE TO CONNECT. Can't answer that can you. The incident that happened with the explosion was NOT one battery by itself in his pocket, it was several and other stuff in his pockets, totally different situation. If I want to carry more than one battery I always use a plastic case to carry them in, but that is a different situation all together.

 

[Bad Ninja]

So how is a single battery going to short in an empty pocket? Metal pants?

Are you implying that is a safe way to treat cells?

That's a yes or no question.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Well I guess you DON'T know a LOT more about them because you Didn't answer my question as to "How a SINGLE battery can short WITHOUT anything to connect the + and -". As I said in my first post, it was not "Loose Cells", it was ONE battery in a pocket ALL BY ITSELF (no keys, no change, no mod, nothing but 1 battery), I asked you how could that short, and you just avoid the question, so I ASK YOU AGAIN, HOW CAN ONE BATTERY SHORT WITHOUT THE + and - BEING ABLE TO CONNECT. Can't answer that can you. The incident that happened with the explosion was NOT one battery by itself in his pocket, it was several and other stuff in his pockets, totally different situation. If I want to carry more than one battery I always use a plastic case to carry them in, but that is a different situation all together.

Same question:
Are you implying that is safe way to carry cells?
Yes or no.