Yet another explosion

[Burnie]

Same question:
Are you implying that is safe way to carry cells?
Yes or no.

You answer MY question to you first... I have asked it twice and you just avoid answering it.

 

[Ed_C]

Are you implying that is a safe way to treat cells?

That's a yes or no question.

Yes, there's no way for the battery to short, as long as you're diligent in keeping the pocket empty.

 

[Bad Ninja]

You answer MY question to you first... I have asked it twice and you just avoid answering it.

You want hypotheticals?
How many?
Jeans have rivets.
Watch pocket leaves top of battery exposed.
Chairs, stools, benches, seatbelts, metal fixtures when sitting, leaning, driving, etc...

The cell can also fall out.

I have no idea how inactive or active you are but for anyone that works around metal or is active, thats just not safe.



Your turn.

Are you implying that is a safe way to treat a cell?
Simple yes or no question.

 

[classwife]

 

[Bad Ninja]

Yes, there's no way for the battery to short, as long as you're diligent in keeping the pocket empty.

So you think its safe to pocket a loose cell?

You know better.




See? Warning lables will do nothing.
Waste of money and time.
Even people that know better will deny safe usage and argue against it.
And brag about doing it.

 

[Ed_C]

I'd like to see you get a battery to short to the point of venting, by bumping one end into a chair. It's usually my .... that's on the chair. Not sure how you sit. Really?
Perhaps a rivet if it ripped the wrapper and was pressed against it, but still one in a million and not all jeans have rivets.

And yes, a case is safer, but I'd risk putting a single battery in my pocket. I'm a thrill seeker I guess.

 

[Burnie]

Your turn.

Are you implying that is a safe way to treat a cell?
Simple yes or no question.

IMHO Yes, as long as it is the only thing in the pocket. Your examples are just off the wall. I am leaving this as my last comment here, as I would break ECF rules if I continue to post in this thread. I am safe with my batteries, what started this thread is about someone who was not, but just because he was not, does not mean we have to overreact, YES be safe, but just don't put the battery is a situation of being able to short the + and -, which 1 battery in a pocket by itself, WOULD NOT DO. That's it See Ya.....

 

[Bad Ninja]

I'd like to see you get a battery to short to the point of venting, by bumping one end into a chair. It's usually my .... that's on the chair. Not sure how you sit. Really?
Perhaps a rivet if it ripped the wrapper and was pressed against it, but still one in a million and not all jeans have rivets.

And yes, a case is safer, but I'd risk putting a single battery in my pocket. I'm a thrill seeker I guess.

Again, lack of experience with venting cells talking.

I see neither of you have had a violent venting incident.
I have. More than once.
Once you do, you will stop being so careless, and promoting it.
I wont carry a cell in my pocket.
Even in a case.


Proper ways to carry cells:

 

[Ed_C]

Again, lack of experience with venting cells talking.

I see neither of you have had a violent venting incident.
I have. More than once.

No, I've never been so careless as to have a battery vent.

 

[Ed_C]

Louis Vuitton rewraps huh? Pretty classy!

 

[Bad Ninja]

No, I've never been so careless as to have a battery vent.

Lol.
I used to repair mods for a few local B&Ms.
You see alot of dumb stuff in a vape shop.
Ive only had one vent due to my carelessness.

Louis Vuitton rewraps huh? Pretty classy!

Hehe 3F vape.
The wife ordered them.
Thought they would look good in the pic.

 

[Ed_C]

Lol.
I used to repair mods for a few local B&Ms.
You see alot of dumb stuff in a vape shop.
Ive only had one vent due to my carelessness.

I know you did, but you can't fault me for taking advantage of such low-hanging fruit, can ya?

 

[Lessifer]

Hypothetical question, if a loose battery in the pocket entered thermal runaway, could it cause one or more cells inside the mod, that is also in the same pocket, to enter thermal runaway?

 

[Alien Traveler]

See? Warning lables will do nothing.
Waste of money and time.
.

Not at all. What about prevention of lawsuits?

 

[Ed_C]

Hypothetical question, if a loose battery in the pocket entered thermal runaway, could it cause one or more cells inside the mod, that is also in the same pocket, to enter thermal runaway?

That's a good question and one that I was wondering about myself. I'm not sure, but I imagine that I'd have my pants off before that happened.

 

[Lessifer]

That's a good question and one that I was wondering about myself. I'm not sure, but I imagine that I'd have my pants off before that happened.

Well, in the video it looked like three ventings in fairly quick succession, or at least it does to me. I also wouldn't go by the still shot, because in the video he flings the mod pretty far, one battery falls where he was standing and one goes spinning off away from the mod.

We don't know what happened here. We know it was a regulated mod. We assume, from the lack of a battery case in any of the pictures/video, that he had loose batteries in his pocket with the mod.

 

[snork]

Hypothetical question, if a loose battery in the pocket entered thermal runaway, could it cause one or more cells inside the mod, that is also in the same pocket, to enter thermal runaway?

I've wondered that too.
I have an acquaintance who pulled the loose batteries in the pocket routine last year. Burned the crap out of his leg but he's ok now. Both batteries burned through his pants and ricocheted around the room like rockets. No joke. I wasn't there but was called in to survey the aftermath the next day. Anyway, since then I've wondered why *both* went off practically simultaneously. In my mind it would be unlikely both were shorted by random metal objects, could one have set the other off? That seems unlikely too. It's a mystery.

 

[beckdg]

That's one steep slippery slope you got there. I just don't see it.

Yes, I've seen Idiocracy and while I do think there's a thread of truth in it, it's taking an idea and taking it to a ridiculous extreme for comedic effect. Smart people still procreate, just at, perhaps, a someone lower rate then those who shouldn't be continuing their genetic lines.

As I've said, the loose batteries are not safe, but I'm not convinced that it was the loose batteries that started the reaction, as one of the batteries that looked to be inside the mod, looked to be to have vented. Sure it's easy to jump to conclusions, particularly when it goes along with what you'd like to be true, but I demand more evidence before I will make concert statements. I try not to jump to conclusions without strong evidence to back my statements.

Then you should probably stop jumping to the CONSTANT conclusion that my words mean more than what I post.



I know what it can seem like.

I know how my words come off if allowing a negative tone or connotation.

I know I've been quoting you and interjecting opposition a lot.

I also know what it is to see something implied in another's argument that's not there.



Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

Sorry beg to differ For YEARS I have carried a battery in my pocket, not in a case, a loose battery BUT it is in the watch pocket or a cargo pocket, ALL BY IT SELF, nothing ever goes in there but "1 Battery", Nothing it could short with, which is NOT unsafe (IMHO), so I take your statement as incorrect. JMHO

Incorrect, sir.

Batteries aside from lead acid batteries can easily short within themselves.

Could be a manufacturers defect, <ETA>crystalization of old or abused electrolyte </ETA>, an impact or a weight or force that creates an internal disfigurement in the cell.

To add to that, the cell doesn't have to short to go into thermal runaway.

Thermal runaway is a thermo-chemical reaction that in a lithium battery is caused by either A) excessive heat or B) exposure of the electrolyte to oxygen.

So a welder for example could have some slag hit his pocket and not know it until his battery is venting.

Or any scenario that includes impact, puncture or force upon the cell could be a likely cause.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

And I've said this over and over.

And yet you argue it's not an error on the user's part?



Tapatyped