Yet another explosion

[beckdg]

I only suggested the CPSC since it's actually already their job. They have education information out about many other products, but the only thing I could find about batteries from them was the swallowing hazard of the little ones.

Safe to say they're doing a bang up job.

Pun intended.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

So did you do extensive research on electric toothbrushes, shavers, beard trimmers, wireless headphones and cell phones before you dared put them next to your head?

And since all that technology, except for the cell phones, existed long before the internet, did you go to the library to do your research?

I'm really curious to know.

Actually, that's only 3 topics.

Nickel based rechargeables.
Lithium based rechargeables.
Non-rechargeable batteries.

And I did.

I took electronics for my shop class in fifth and sixth grades.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

The problem is, I don't know what can or should be done. I don't believe regulating warning labels and instructions would actually help, other than to minimize lawsuits filed. We can't require vendors to educate. So, we can, as consumers, promote knowledge of safe battery handling practices, but that's about it. As far as I can tell.

I suggested spreading the word earlier.

Which would work.

But all it got was some likes.

Everyone is still here arguing instead of putting a simple, effective plan into action.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

I would agree, to a point, with you when you're talking about professional tools or even perhaps hobbyist tools. But with consumer products, there should be warnings as to proper safe use. That's all I'm saying. If the person has been warned and then he/she chooses to disregard the warnings, then I'd say it's 100% on them.

My dad used to slap me on the back of the head and say "act like you got some sense, boy".

I've been warned...

Tapatyped

 

[Lessifer]

IMO a warning label on the batteries or the devices, not going to really help. Trying to insure that EVERY vendor gives out safety info voluntarily? Not going to happen. Mandated safety info? No thanks.

For the masses of people today, I think we're going to need national television spots with info condensed to sound bites. Y'all don't pay me enough to come up with the copy for that though.

 

[DC2]

I took electronics for my shop class in fifth and sixth grades.

Then with all due respect, why are you so adamant about this topic?
You are clearly not a "normal person" when it comes to this topic.

And if asked I would add Bad Ninja and Cheallaigh to that list.
You all seem to have specialized knowledge and expect others to have it as well.

This is what I have been saying all along.


EDITED TO ADD:
And by the way, I took wood shop and metal shop.
Neither of which involved batteries.


I also took typing, which was by far the most useful class I ever took.
And that also did not involve batteries.

 

[mongo74]

Everything I learned about power, it was thru trial and error.

For instance: DON'T lick the terminals on a 9 volt
DON'T play with an alternator in a running engine
DON'T stick a knife in a toaster while it's toasting
DO just laugh at my obvious chicanery

 

[beckdg]

Then with all due respect, why are you so adamant about this topic?
You are clearly not a "normal person" when it comes to this topic.

And if asked I would add Bad Ninja and Cheallaigh to that list.
You all seem to have specialized knowledge and expect others to have it as well.

This is what I have been saying all along.


EDITED TO ADD:
And by the way, I took wood shop and metal shop.
Neither of which involved batteries.


I also took typing, which was by far the most useful class I ever took.
And that also did not involve batteries.
[emoji23]

If that was your first clue of my specialized, relevant knowledge, there's a pretty serious problem.

The fact that you believe that stored energy equalling danger is specialized knowledge is also a problem.

This thread is a perfect example of where our progress in our education system is at.

And the complacency that perpetuates that continuing failure.

When it should be no less than here...



Tapatyped

 

[mongo74]

I saw a .15 build on a hybrid today. I told him he was crazy. He said yes.

 

[Cheallaigh]

And if asked I would add Bad Ninja and Cheallaigh to that list.
You all seem to have specialized knowledge and expect others to have it as well.

why?

 

[beckdg]

why?

Your tech knowledge.,)

Tapatyped

 

[DC2]

If that was your first clue of my specialized, relevant knowledge, there's a pretty serious problem.

No, I've known it all along.
It was the first opportunity to point it out so clearly.

The fact that you believe that stored energy equalling danger is specialized knowledge is also a problem.

The fact that it IS specialized knowledge is the problem.
The fact that you don't see that is why we are still here arguing about it.

 

[beckdg]

No, I've known it all along.
It was the first opportunity to point it out so clearly.

You mean manipulate to serve your purpose?

Can't help but notice Baditude is lacking from that list.

Yet my intimate knowledge has been largely ignored in favor of repeated Internet myths and fear mongering for 3 years now.

You can't have both.

Which is it?

Am I special?

Or am I "special"?

You can't keep choosing to fit your agenda.

Tapatyped

 

[DC2]

I have neither an agenda nor a purpose.
I think you're mostly talking to someone else with that reply.

I'm just tired of seeing people claim that those that were not born with an inherent understanding that batteries are dangerous are stupid or somehow Darwin material. It's possibly one of the most misguided arguments I've ever seen on the internets.

I guess if you want to call that an agenda you can.

Although if I DID have a purpose in mind, it would probably be that vendors should provide impossible to ignore warnings with their batteries. But that's only in their best interest, costs a few pennies, and they would be stupid NOT to do so. Which is probably why so many now do in fact do so.

It's also in the best interest of all vapers everywhere.

 

[beckdg]

The fact that it IS specialized knowledge is the problem.
The fact that you don't see that is why we are still here arguing about it.
[emoji23]

Nice edit.

I got this though.

You're mistaken.

The fact that I ACTUALLY HAVE done something about it IRL...

Including educating friends, family, small children and strangers across the nation...

And the fact I see you justifying NOT EDUCATING grown adults UNLESS you're able to pass that responsibility off...

THAT'S the reason WE'RE arguing.

YOU can make a difference AS I HAVE.

Between that and people being responsible for their own actions...

THERE'S NO EXCUSE for this to be specialized knowledge.

If it weren't against TOS, I could have a dozen 14 yr Olds blowing your mind with battery knowledge within the hour.

There's no excuse for a grown adult to pass the buck.

And to not understand a lot of power in an Itty bitty package = danger?

You can't be serious.

Tapatyped

 

[DC2]

You can't be serious.

I sure can... see post above.

 

[BreSha6869]

For instance: DON'T lick the terminals on a 9 volt

How else are you gonna know if the battery is dead or not?

 

[Lessifer]

I have neither an agenda nor a purpose.
I think you're mostly talking to someone else with that reply.

I'm just tired of seeing people claim that those that were not born with an inherent understanding that batteries are dangerous are stupid or somehow Darwin material. It's possibly one of the most misguided arguments I've ever seen on the internets.

I guess if you want to call that an agenda you can.

Although if I DID have a purpose in mind, it would probably be that vendors should provide impossible to ignore warnings with their batteries. But that's only in their best interest, costs a few pennies, and they would be stupid NOT to do so. Which is probably why so many now do in fact do so.

It's also in the best interest of all vapers everywhere.

As you yourself point out, that's already something that is being done. We're not going to get all vendors to do this, because these batteries are sold by multitudes of vendors, not all domestic, and not all for vaping purposes. Would that also exempt devices with built in batteries? Would battery safety even have prevented this particular incident?

I don't think we have a battery explosion epidemic. It does happen, and there are some fairly high profile examples. However, I'm not sure that the rate of occurrence demands action. Yes, that sucks for the people that it happens to.

In the interest of moving forward. What key pieces of information would be on a sheet that is included with every battery/device purchase? Let's see if we can agree on that.

 

[beckdg]

I have neither an agenda nor a purpose.
I think you're mostly talking to someone else with that reply.

I'm just tired of seeing people claim that those that were not born with an inherent understanding that batteries are dangerous are stupid or somehow Darwin material. It's possibly one of the most misguided arguments I've ever seen on the internets.

I guess if you want to call that an agenda you can.

Although if I DID have a purpose in mind, it would probably be that vendors should provide impossible to ignore warnings with their batteries. But that's only in their best interest, costs a few pennies, and they would be stupid NOT to do so. Which is probably why so many now do in fact do so.

It's also in the best interest of all vapers everywhere.

Who did I call stupid?

I actually complimented your wife.

When did I reference Darwin?

There's your agenda.

Impossible to ignore warnings?

Impossible to create.

You're expectations are never going to happen. They can't.

We both want the same thing. People educated into safety.

Except you want it from people who can't keep themselves safe.

Hence why personal responsibility is so important.

I've taken more than my share.

I issue the same challenge to you.

Tapatyped

 

[mongo74]

I licked an HB6. It was sour.