Yet another explosion

[Ed_C]

Unless you can express quantitatively and fairly accurately, the connection between your 1 in 10 and ecig usage, there's absolutely no significance in your assertion in conjunction with ecig battery education or lack thereof.

ETA; Furthermore, once again... not one article or news story outlines any data about the user of an exploded ecig suggesting they were sans Internet capabilities.



Tapatyped

Why don't you provide evidence that all those who have had ecigs experience thermal runaway have factors that place them outside of the general population, where 1 in 10 people do not have the internet.
The reasonable assumption would be that they are part of the general population, unless there's other evidence to the contrary.

I would not expect these articles to have information on the internet usage of the subject in the piece. These are short, not very in-depth, articles, not detailed analysis.

And all this is really missing that point, that all ecig users should be warned of the possible hazards, because it's not only good for them, it's good for all of us in the vaping community. If you could care less for your fellow man, I would think you'd at least have your own self-interest in mind.

 

[Ed_C]

This is changing.

Mechs are phasing out.

It used to be only an ego issue.

Then mechs took center stage.

Next phase will be largely regulated devices again.

Tapatyped

So, you're saying that most of the "user error" is now taking place in regulated mods that have things like short protection, reverse battery protection and amp limits? Hmmmm Anyone ever read of a DNA or ProVari venting?

 

[beckdg]

The reasonable assumption would be that they are part of the general population, unless there's other evidence to the contrary.

No.

No it wouldn't.

The words "electronic" and "technology" immediately rule out a segment of the population that are resistant to such whom also would be ruled out of your 90% because Internet is "electronic" and "technology".

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

So, you're saying that most of the "user error" is now taking place in regulated mods that have things like short protection, reverse battery protection and amp limits? Hmmmm Anyone ever read of a DNA or ProVari venting?

What's your point?

To limit the possibilities to 2 devices when the category that's used and sells more changes?

Well... that's not realistic.

And who said "now" and "is"?

Tapatyped

 

[Ed_C]

Grasping at straws. You're making an incorrect assumption that all of those in the 10% are Luddites. I've already gone over this.

 

[I'mnotZak]

 

[Ed_C]

What's your point?

To limit the possibilities to 2 devices when the category that's used and sells more changes?

Well... that's not realistic.

And who said "now" and "is"?

Tapatyped

Huh?

I was just questioning the ascertain that all of these venting accidents are operator error, when it comes to regulated devices and asking if anyone has heard of venting in higher end devices. I have not and have always questioned the assumption, that some make here, that all of these incidents are user error.

 

[beckdg]

Huh?

I was just questioning the ascertain that all of these venting accidents are operator error, when it comes to regulated devices and asking if anyone has heard of venting in higher end devices. I have not and have always questioned the assumption, that some make here, that all of these incidents are user error.

Huh?

You actually have to search out the devices you mentioned.

Meanwhile probably learning something.

And paying a lot more for them... so probably wanting to take better care as well.

But we don't have interwebs these days, so they're not available to most of us.

And the coupe de gras...

What did your question have to do with the post you quoted?

Tapatyped

 

[Ed_C]

I really don't know why I bother. There's clearly a faction here that follows the tenets of Social Darwinism and could care less about others. So be it. It's obvious that no one will change their minds. Unless perhaps someday they overlook something that they were unaware that they didn't know and get hurt.

You're right, it's unlikely that those with high end mods would not have the internet.
This was not related to that line of debate, just the larger issue of venting accidents. I wouldn't necessarily agree that just because you purchased a high end product, that you would be more knowledgeable. But perhaps somewhat more likely.
Sorry if this was not clear.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

This thread is proof, some folks will argue with a fence post.

 

[Lessifer]

I would love it if everyone were made aware of battery/mod safety. I don't believe this is something that should be mandated by regulations. So, I'm not sure what alternative there is to the current status quo of most manufacturers/vendors including warnings.

We will never get the incidence level down to zero, as long as it can happen, someone will "find" a way to make it happen.

 

[Ed_C]

I'd be afraid to look back and see how many times I've restated the same case.

 

[beckdg]

There's clearly a faction here that follows the tenets of Social Darwinism and could care less about others.

Really?

What misconceptions are you battling?

Who have you personally educated?

Just today I personally replaced an electricians paired batteries with two of my own because his mod Drew one battery down below 2 volts.

Then I showed him the difference between his counterfeit batteries and my authentic ones.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

I'd be afraid to look back and see how many times I've restated the same case.

Me too.

But when I say it all you see is Darwin Award.

Tapatyped

 

[Ed_C]

I would love it if everyone were made aware of battery/mod safety. I don't believe this is something that should be mandated by regulations. So, I'm not sure what alternative there is to the current status quo of most manufacturers/vendors including warnings.

We will never get the incidence level down to zero, as long as it can happen, someone will "find" a way to make it happen.

I wouldn't mind a requirement to include instructions on proper use. Would it stop everyone from behaving carelessly? Of course not. It might not even lower the number of accidents significantly. I'm not sure. But at least we can say that they were warned and if you guys wanted to say that they got what the had coming, I would not argue with you.

 

[beckdg]

I wouldn't mind a requirement to include instructions on proper use. Would it stop everyone from behaving carelessly? Of course not. It might not even lower the number of accidents significantly. I'm not sure. But at least we can say that they were warned and if you guys wanted to say that they got what the had coming, I would not argue with you.

Tapatyped

 

[Ed_C]

Really?

What misconceptions are you battling?

Who have you personally educated?

Just today I personally replaced an electricians paired batteries with two of my own because his mod Drew one battery down below 2 volts.

Then I showed him the difference between his counterfeit batteries and my authentic ones.

Tapatyped

Good for you then. So why do you seem to be opposed to more global education?

I'm just responding to all the yucking it up, saying that they got what they deserved etc.
My point of view is, and has always been, that I don't think that the dangers of high drain batteries are commonly known and because of this, people should be made aware.

I do try and pass on information on battery safety whenever it comes up.

 

[Ed_C]

Tapatyped

That's a start. I don't have any batteries with any warnings on them.

 

[beckdg]

Good for you then. So why do you seem to be opposed to more global education?

I'm just responding to all the yucking it up, saying that they got what they deserved etc.
My point of view is, and has always been, that I don't think that the dangers of high drain batteries is commonly known and because of this, people should be made aware.

I do try and pass on information on battery safety whenever it comes up.

I forced the issue when it's necessary

I don't wait for it to come up

Global national local enforcement of education is not what we're looking for

We're simply looking for a better awareness

People need to take responsibility

Be that you and I getting the ball rolling and educating the people around us so that they can educate more people

Or be that more people taking the responsibility on the road instead of winding up in the news

I've mentioned countless times that my children are better educated with batteries than the totality of this entire website on average

Personally I think it's embarrassing how long high drain batteries have been out almost as long as cars and how little people know about them

I think it's high time instead of asking someone else to do it for us we take the bull by the horns and do something about it

Tapatyped

 

[Lessifer]

I wouldn't mind a requirement to include instructions on proper use. Would it stop everyone from behaving carelessly? Of course not. It might not even lower the number of accidents significantly. I'm not sure. But at least we can say that they were warned and if you guys wanted to say that they got what the had coming, I would not argue with you.

Ok, ignoring the likelihood that something like this would have little to no effect at an increased cost to the manufacturers, who would be required to include these instructions?

It can't be the battery manufacturers, the batteries have many uses and they have no idea what the end user will do with them, though the general warnings like in beck's pic are usually on those labeled for individual sale. I don't believe the vendors should be required to provide product specific instructions, it's not really their responsibility, so that leaves the mod manufacturers. I believe most of them already do provide this, the ones that don't are usually the ones that you can't really identify as they're manufacturing cloned products, and they're not US companies. So do we ban the sale of mods that don't include these instructions?