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No, we don't ban the sell, we require instructions on safe handling with mods. And I do agree that most have this now. batteries, like you said, are harder to deal with because they are multi-use and there's many sources that don't market to vapers. I agree self-policing is always desirable, but there's all kinds of products that are required to have warnings and I'm not opposed to some sort of mandate. I'm not of the mindset, that if it comes from the government it must be evil.
How do you require it without banning the sale if they're not included?
I'm not of the mindset that anything that comes from the government is evil, however, I don't like wasteful regulations that will likely provide no results. The overabundance of warning labels, IMO, is contributing to the mindset that others are talking about. No one takes responsibility for their actions because they figure if it was dangerous, SOMEONE would stop them.
I agree it doesn't need to be on every battery, but I do think every vaper needs to be given good information with their purchase. Particularly newbies with a first purchase. If every vape shop was good and talked with their customers about what they knew and what they didn't know, it wouldn't be an issue. But what do we do about the other shops that sell newbies Boomfire 5 amp batteries with their 300 watts mods? People assume that the stores they frequent, know what they are talking about. Not everyone researches, what they believe to be, simple consumer products. Yes it is getting better and hopefully it will be a non-issue soon.
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I do agree that warnings can become overwhelming and turn into white noise. I'm not sure if there are statistics on the effectiveness of warnings with packaging. I'm sure there are, but I have not seen them. In a prefect world, everyone would deal with good customer service, where the employee was knowledgeable and would educate their customers when needed. It was more like this when I was young.
I don't have any brilliant answers. I just object with to attitude, that if someone doesn't know what they don't know, the deserve what they get.
I'm of the mindset, that if it comes from the government the government will have to "improve upon it" until it must be evil.
They have to look like they're doing something with their time.
Tapatyped
And there's the rub.
What's the chemistry of that 5 amp battery?
If it's imr/inr, that battery simply cannot blow in that mod from over discharge.
It won't put out the current to trigger the heat to cause thermal runaway.
The mod will simply perform dismally the higher the wattage.
Almost the entire user base here still barely knows the basics.
Some of which THEY KNOW they're good with THEY'RE WRONG about.
And sadly, these are people who know?!?!?!!!!
And where do we draw the line in education provided?
More than 3 words or a flashy symbol and you've lost 95+% of your audience before you got them.
Include it as a reference card in the package and most will never see it.
I'd rather grade school include basic potential energy danger class and conclude with "always search proper care and usage for your particular chemistry and/or component".
Did you know the back of an old t.v. set screen can zap and instantly kill you with an order of magnitude of around 60,000 volts at high amps?
Tapatyped
I agree it can seem that way sometimes, but they do get lucky and get it right sometimes.
Air quality is better some places, than it used to be, not so many rivers on fire, etc
I happen to work in the industry that bares much of that cost.
CARB compliance is pushing many good drivers out of the industry.
Couple that with being told when to stop and sleep despite whether your tired.
Split speed limits.
And deadlines don't change.
And all this safety and life quality improvement legislation actually results in more deaths on the highways despite constantly engineering more safety into vehicles.
Tapatyped
I agree totally with education from an early age.
Unrelated, but cool, I was subbing in a third grade class the other day and they were leaning the basic concepts of coding.
Not sure how stop and sleep relates to air quality, or maybe that's your point.
So, I looked at the stats for highway deaths and it looks like urban has been climbing and rural has been dropping since 2002. You can't help but wonder how texting while driving plays into this.
Then in 2015 there was this odd uptick in rural and a downtick in urban
Not sure how stop and sleep relates to air quality, or maybe that's your point.
So, I looked at the stats for highway deaths and it looks like urban has been climbing and rural has been dropping since 2002. You can't help but wonder how texting while driving plays into this.
Then in 2015 there was this odd uptick in rural and a downtick in urban
For one...
Quick Guide to Diesel Regulations | The TruckStop
Clean air idle laws
Auxiliary power units (APU)
Idling laws
2007 & 2010 Emissions
That's how it relates to air quality.
With safety regulations and mandates constantly thrown at the motoring public (which don't much affect them) and CMV drivers and owners (which turn our lives upside down and drive costs up... and everyone pays the price because we deliver nearly everything you own), all those stats should be at a steady decline with periodic down ticks to mark new regulations.
But they're not.
And we're constantly getting more specific stats thrown at us.
For example;
State by state secondary accidents and secondary accident fatalities. (Accidents that happen in the backup behind another accident.)
Work zone accidents and fatalities.
Work zone speeding fines, accidents and fatalities (which should be going up as more trucks have their top speed limited and won't slow down in a work zone so they don't lose time).
Etc.
Tapatyped
even if the education was required... you know, like learning to drive and passing an exam to demonstrate you know what you're doing and comprehend the priveledge of driving... we've all seen how well that works.
this is why we joke about darwin awards.. the education is available, people can be told, consequences can be demostrated, but common sense is no longer common. my hubby and i own a garage, i've seen the paper thin rotors, pads of brakes worn to nothing, tires with the metal wires showing,hearing the squealing or grinding as they pull up and people going "i can't stop and i have no idea why, it just started happening today!". learning that your tires and brakes make the cars stop at a sign or light etc is part of the basic driving education and the exam on the drivers test before you can get that licence... i've already shared some of my tech support horror stories. a lot of people just don't care, it's always someone else's fault! this is especially true of some of the younger generation, look at the pokemun go craze recently as a prime example of stupidity... i'm not going to list the examples, they're easy to look up and sadly amusing.
this is why we joke about darwin awards.. the education is available, people can be told, consequences can be demostrated, but common sense is no longer common. my hubby and i own a garage, i've seen the paper thin rotors, pads of brakes worn to nothing, tires with the metal wires showing,hearing the squealing or grinding as they pull up and people going "i can't stop and i have no idea why, it just started happening today!". learning that your tires and brakes make the cars stop at a sign or light etc is part of the basic driving education and the exam on the drivers test before you can get that licence... i've already shared some of my tech support horror stories. a lot of people just don't care, it's always someone else's fault! this is especially true of some of the younger generation, look at the pokemun go craze recently as a prime example of stupidity... i'm not going to list the examples, they're easy to look up and sadly amusing.
I oppose giving any government agency any more control over MY life.
I dont need regulations to keep me safe. Why restrict me because some other fool cant think for themselves?
Crazy, insane talk.
Yep. Its a lack of critical thinking skills and fear of personal responsibility.
It is permeating the youth of today.
Not a good sign.
So how exactly would including safety warnings with every ecig impact your life? I guess you'd have one more piece of paper to throw in the trash. This would not exactly be an intrusive regulation and just because "you"don't need it, that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be useful for others.
TBH, if there was one thing that could be done with batteries to improve safety, it would be some sort of scratch off authenticity sticker on the battery so you're not stuck with some no name crappy rewrap being sold as an LG or Samsung. Might not be very cost effective on a $5 battery, but maybe if they were sold in pairs or other count packaging it wouldn't be all that burdensome.
Unfortunately, that falls apart as these batteries were never officially designed to be in the consumer retail chain and just to manufacturers who were using them to be built into their own protected battery packs. Those types of manufacturers don't buy these batteries one at a time, and buy from proper distributors, not off of eBay.
The issue I have isnt with warnings.
Its with regulations.
Thats the lazy excuse.
We need to address the real issue:
A lack of critical thinking.
Reducing and regulating society to the lowest common denominator is crazy.
It wont solve the problem and it encourages carelessness.
Expecting the government (who cant seem to balance the same budget that they write) to safely regulate the industry is doubling down on stupid.
Education>regulation every time.
That one is an easier fix.
Counterfeiting is illegal. So is fraud.
Its not glamourous work so law enforcment doesnt really care.
Enforcing the laws we have would go along way.
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