Yihi SX350J temp control

[Crunchy2k]

I am new to GG, about a year of reading and theorizing.

The original Proteus was going to be just VV and VW. He wanted a tiny chip for a 14500 and engineered it. And then Evolv got a patent on VW. Mindblowing stupidity from the patent office. So GG had to start over and that how VIR mode came to be.
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The Evolv patent makes for a good read. It is essentially a 'I did it with a computer' patent. SCOTUS in a unanimous Alice v. CLS Bank decision essentially said in June of 2014, that adding a computer to do what is already done manually is not patentable. The circuit Evolv is using was first described in 1833 by Samuel Hunter Christie (1784-1865.) Evolv decided that trained fleas couldn't change the power to a coil in relation to the change in resistance reliably. Evolv choose to use an arm processor that has a built-in A/D converter which can monitor the coil resistance while the cpu changes the power. Evolv has applied for changes in their original patent in May 2014 and again November 2014. For search purposes, the assignee on record Is Evolv, LLC.

 

[AB Dada]

Won't be long until someone jumps in and gets that patent nuked. Hopefully.

 

[Woofer]

Won't be long until someone jumps in and gets that patent nuked. Hopefully.

Really... who and why

 

[AB Dada]

Because it's a ridiculous patent that has no new invention involved in it and it's a restriction on better engineering coming out from competition.

As to who, I'm sure a bigger manufacturer can afford a lawsuit necessary to fling it off the patent books.

 

[Woofer]

Because it's a ridiculous patent that has no new invention involved in it and it's a restriction on better engineering coming out from competition.

As to who, I'm sure a bigger manufacturer can afford a lawsuit necessary to fling it off the patent books.

Well if better engineering is coming from the competition then it is not much of a restriction.
By competition you mean the cloners and IP thieves because it is not a restriction for them either.
It is extraordinarily unlikely a US patent will be overturned to benefit off shore manufacturers, there are no domestic competitors.

 

[AB Dada]

There are European manufacturers who aren't cloning mods.

 

[SavePaperVapor]

I can't wait for this chip. After getting bent over by evolv I'm so ready for this. I already have an sx mini so I'm going to hold out for a dual battery device.

 

[rockstarr]

Just one more week guys hahahaha but tomorrow I'm realeasing some more stuff that will defiantly be compatible... I need time to make some more changes, is this guy for real? I'm seriously entertained by gg threads! In another yr it'll be another group of folks waiting. I just need 3more days

 

[rockstarr]

Did I say days? Hahaha by Christmas now guys..

 

[AB Dada]

Patience is not something the average person has. I once waited 26 months for a jacket to be tailored.

And a sweater I am having altered has been gone for 10+ months and I figure another 3 months until I know it is being shipped back.

 

[rockstarr]

You seem to be a good dude AB and you do come off as patient and knowledgeable! Maybe I was a little out of line with my previous statements but I can't help but laugh about what I still read over there. I've been around here a long time and was using GG in 09 when they were one of the only and most seeked mods on the market.. It doesn't seem much has changed to me, I used to think it was the coolest thing ever(even though my wife and colleagues thought it looked awful, like I was carrying around some big tool from my toolbox)until the creator...well, you can go back and read, but I will say this: There is a reason most all of the original group from 09 that HUGELY invested and supported GG bailed, mostly because of the over the top ego and crazy ways customers and "friends" were treated. Many of those people are still on here and have clearly moved on and not looked back. I recently started reading the threads again and it still seems like much of the same ol same ol to me, people getting banned, post being deleted, etc., etc.. I do hope you get your VIR and that it"s everything you hope for it to be! I personally will never buy from him again, but if it's everything he's says it is(still no proof) it'll most likely be in more mods than his...right? I've truly enjoyed watching the vape world evolve over the last 7 yrs and haven't had a cig since, after all it's how most of us landed here. I truly hope you find your vape Nirvana!

 

[AB Dada]

Haha nah I'm a total d-bag rockstarr, and I admit that the naysayers have traction.

If evolv hadn't done the douchiest move in the world I think he would have released a horrible outdated product.

But thanks to Evolve's idiocy, he was forced to re-engineer from scratch and I'm hoping it'll be just that Nirvana.

 

[rockstarr]

Why do you believe Evolve done the "douchiest" move in the world?

 

[BigEgo]

You have any studies saying that specifically the proteus and the proteus alone will only stop acrolein production entirely, or that there is even a link between the two in general? No.

Don't need studies when acrolein is a natural by-product of the thermal decomposition of glycerin. From Wiki:

When glycerol (also called glycerin) is heated to 280 °C, it decomposes into acrolein:

(CH2OH)2CHOH → CH2=CHCHO + 2 H2O

280C = 536F. I would bet some people do hit 530F in some of the low subohm, high wattage builds. Of course, acrolein does have a rancid taste and smell, so it's doubtful there would be that much of it without the user noticing it, but it's possible there's small amounts not detectable by the human senses. And small amounts over time (chronic exposure) can be bad too.

Keep in mind too that the above is only when heating pure glycerin. Considering there is a bit of a cocktail going on in our e-juice (PG, flavorings), the decomposition temp might be even lower.

We need research on high end vaping equipment. So far all of the research I have seen on e-cig emissions have been done with cheap gas station cigalikes (with crappy welded tin and copper joints that touch the wire) or egos and a CE4.

I would like to see such a study using a VW device and a RDA or RTA.

 

[peraspera]

Don't need studies when acrolein is a natural by-product of the thermal decomposition of glycerin. From Wiki:

When glycerol (also called glycerin) is heated to 280 °C, it decomposes into acrolein:
(CH2OH)2CHOH → CH2=CHCHO + 2 H2O

280C = 536F. I would bet some people do hit 530F in some of the low subohm, high wattage builds. Of course, acrolein does have a rancid taste and smell, so it's doubtful there would be that much of it without the user noticing it, but it's possible there's small amounts not detectable by the human senses. And small amounts over time (chronic exposure) can be bad too.

Dr. Farsalinos will be studying at what levels real life vapers are able to detect toxic chemicals in their vape. He discusses this starting at 29:44 in his interview with Phil Busardo.

Keep in mind too that the above is only when heating pure glycerin. Considering there is a bit of a cocktail going on in our e-juice (PG, flavorings), the decomposition temp might be even lower.

In the same Busardo interview Dr. Farsalinos speaks briefly about what he has observed regarding the separation of VG and water at the boiling point at 26:21. The boiling point of 90% VG/10% water is 280.4°F/138°C. However it seems because the water and VG separate that at 320F/160°C no vapor is produced. Although he didn't provide details, Dr. Farsalinos did say he will be studying how this impacts the production of toxic substances regarding vaping.

We need research on high end vaping equipment. So far all of the research I have seen on e-cig emissions have been done with cheap gas station cigalikes (with crappy welded tin and copper joints that touch the wire) or egos and a CE4.

I would like to see such a study using a VW device and a RDA or RTA.

Although I've not yet seen details Dimi on Vapour Trails at - 31:55 said that Chinese vendors are funding a Farsalinos study showing 2nd & 3rd generations products versus 1st generation

 

[dr g]

Why do you believe Evolve done the "douchiest" move in the world?

Glad I'm not the only person to ... let's say be confused ... by that comment.

 

[bilboda]

I have an IPV4 on order. Don't know how they are doing this but

 

[Portertown]

I have an IPV4 on order. Don't know how they are doing this but

They are putting the new SX330 V4S board/chip in them and the new firmware to make it work will be available around the first of April.
Here is the link to the new board/chip. Yihiecigar SX330

 

[classwife]

Moved to Temperature Control from Variable Voltage APV Discussion

 

[rockstarr]

Ten more days guys, plus 3 for shipping...