You all want answers? Look to the Vets!

[cliff5550]

I agree we already have enough "experts" who have little tolerance for those suggesting anything other than what they are currently vaping. I am really tired of hearing the worn out phrase "the more it looks like a cigarette, the worse it is" from the "experts". We started with the (much maligned) RN4081, which looks a lot like an analog, and I now have the M401, which looks like an analog, size wise. Both are great little vapes.
I think the noobs forum is a very useful spot on the e-cig forum.

 

[Red Handed]

Newbie here!! thanks for all the helpful info on this forum. lots of info here to help make my first decisions on electronic cigs!

 

[kristin]

I can't see it either and would like to know why???????

It's supposed to be for members who have been here over 6 months with 1,000+ posts or over 1 year with 75+ posts, but there is a glitch that lets in anyone who paid to be a supporting member.

 

[Kent C]

A new person stating his experience with his e-cig is very good information for others.

What I frown upon, is folks who tell someone they bought "Junk", and then tell them to trash it & buy another model. With patience and understanding, any e-cig can be made to work. Maybe not as well as others, but well enough to become familiar with the process.

I recommend to take an undesirable model that you have bought, learn to use it, make a choice to keep it or not, and put it away as a back-up if you don't like it as well as another. You may not like it as much as another, but it could save your .... if you run into a problem with your regular e-cig.

We're all here for a common cause. Bashing anothers choice will not get us any further ahead.

I agree. There's a fine distinction between:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/rn-4081-super-mini/42170-us-vendors-rn4081.html#post673629

and:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/35775-smoking-everywhere.html#post548073

And for someone new, sometimes it's hard to see that difference, which is why it must be reiterated from time to time. And for someone 'old' it's may be hard to see the difference in a company and a model ;-)

There's another one of your posts where you differenciated between someone who has bought and someone who hasn't, which, imho was well put. Couldn't find that one ;-) but it went along the same lines of if you've already bought, learn to use it, but if you haven't bought, there are better choices.

 

[jj2]

It's supposed to be for members who have been here over 6 months with 1,000+ posts or over 1 year with 75+ posts, but there is a glitch that lets in anyone who paid to be a supporting member.

Well, I seem to be stuck on 662 post8-o so I guess I have to wait until I've been around a year.

An edit here
<-----------after doing 662 for about three times, I finally turned over 663.

 

[DC2]

And the world keeps spinning in the same direction it always has.

The wisdom of experience is obviously very useful and important.
Although sometimes it can become stagnant.

Youth and new blood, passion and a sense of adventure, that is important too.
Remember, what is considered wisdom now was once new and cutting edge.

And as any population grows, it follows the rules of growing populations.
That means more idiots, more douchebags, and more loudmouths.

Welcome to life in general.

 

[Kent C]

I agree we already have enough "experts" who have little tolerance for those suggesting anything other than what they are currently vaping. I am really tired of hearing the worn out phrase "the more it looks like a cigarette, the worse it is" from the "experts". We started with the (much maligned) RN4081, which looks a lot like an analog, and I now have the M401, which looks like an analog, size wise. Both are great little vapes.
I think the noobs forum is a very useful spot on the e-cig forum.

I'll respond to this because I have quoted someone's 'rule' that I found to be valid - you've altered it a bit - it's "the more it looks like a cigarette the less it performs like one" - not 'the worse it is', and by my own experience and that of many others that have posted the problems they've had with certain models here many times, there is some credence to the idea. I also agree with JD that the best solution is, if you have one, not to buy another ecig, but to get what you can from what you have. I, unlike some, don't advocate trashing what you have and buying something else. Check my posts for that and if you find one let me know.

And the person who used to post that, and others and myself who have reposted it, with many replying validations of it from experience, have never claimed to be 'experts' - so you can put that in your pipe and vape it, because that simply isn't the case. I still consider myself a newbie in many ways and am still learning a lot from the vets and the newbies. I'm no expert and on that I'm sure we can agree from your earlier insinuations. Are you and "expert" because you seem to think (wrongly) that you see this in others?

As far as your "have enough "experts" who have little tolerance for those suggesting anything other than what they are currently vaping."

.. that could be applied to almost any model being used, and maybe even more so for your M series and the Chuck, 901, 510, JS, VK... we see that all the time, so now you're insulting almost everyone who posts showing a favoritism for any model over another, but if you only mean to insult, fine. I'll continue to reply for as long as you wish.

 

[cliff5550]

I was referring to the comments and insinuations I received, and ones I've read which were made to others, that were, let's say, less than welcoming when I first came onto the forums and mentioned I had a SmokeStik. I didn't say you. I didn't single out anyone. If you see yourself there, so be it.
How you could possibly think I was setting myself as an expert because I get that impression from others is beyond me.
Someone who enters a post stating what their favorite is, and giving the reasons why, is only doing that, stating their favorite and reasons why. That, I feel, is quality information for noobs and a big part of the good this forum performs. My problem is with those who insinuate anything other than their particular model is just not as good.
I don't want to get into a pissing contest with you or anyone else on the forums. We've both read a few of those and they don't really help anyone. That's all I have to say.

 

[Kent C]

cliff5550 says: I was referring to the comments and insinuations I received, and ones I've read which were made to others, that were, let's say, less than welcoming when I first came onto the forums and mentioned I had a SmokeStik. I didn't say you. I didn't single out anyone. If you see yourself there, so be it.

Ah, the intended purpose of not naming anyone - so you can deny it... even though you've followed up with basically the same reply whenever I've invoked it in earlier threads.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ano-revolver-m702-good-lord-2.html#post724037

I don't deny it. I have quoted that on occasions where I thought it would be helpful to someone just looking for 'looks' alone, including you if I recall without grabbing the link. If you took offense, then I'm sorry, but there is some validation to the statement and there are a host of posts by people saying just that after having tried a few different PVs. I do have those links if you're interested.


How you could possibly think I was setting myself as an expert because I get that impression from others is beyond me.

I don't see why if someone states that 'if an ecig looks like a cigarette, the less it will perform like one' makes one an 'expert' either but you seem to think that one who says that thinks they are an expert, so I'm just using the same reasoning as you - iow, whatever I subjectively think that someone is claiming to be an expert then I can use that in quotes too, in order to denigrate the other person. Get it? I don't do that, but I can play that game, if that's the game being played. And you threw out the first ball here.

Someone who enters a post stating what their favorite is, and giving the reasons why, is only doing that, stating their favorite and reasons why. That, I feel, is quality information for noobs and a big part of the good this forum performs. My problem is with those who insinuate anything other than their particular model is just not as good.

I happen to agree and I've went into considerable lengths to explain why I thought that was the case. Have you ever read this post?

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...g-electronic-cigarette-primer.html#post505870

I think that is one aspect of the 'looks' instead of 'performs' of what the 'rule' states. That's not the only place where I've given my experience and have posted links to others who experienced much the same. That, imo, is the type of information a newbie needs in order to make an informed decision. And, I'll agree, not everyone who uses that phrase goes to that extent to explain why but I'll challenge you to find where I haven't fully answered any question with regards to the statement - in the same thread as the first link above, I explain with reasons why. And when I answer fully from my viewpoint I'm not claiming to be an 'expert' and I think most people understand that.

I don't want to get into a pissing contest with you or anyone else on the forums. We've both read a few of those and they don't really help anyone. That's all I have to say.

I agree, but you're the one who felt you had to attack someone in your post above about how your 'tired of 'experts' who say ... yada, yada, and when you follow up a post of mine with those type of comments, like yuou have before - even though you might not mention my name, that isn't all I'll have to say on it. No one deserves those petty snipes and while some may let it go, I will not. And if that is all you have to say, that is all I have to say.

 

[Beer Man]

Don't get discouraged Kent. I've enjoyed your posts and like your input. I learn the most from those that are usually positive. Ok, I'm done sucking you off. Back to the boards...

 

[angjen0816]

Kent, you are awesome. you have given me- both directly and through reading your posts-some of the best advice of any member on here If it wasn't for you and the other Vets on here I would of never made it this far!

 

[Kent C]

Don't get discouraged Kent. I've enjoyed your posts and like your input. I learn the most from those that are usually positive. Ok, I'm done sucking you off. Back to the boards...

Lol. Thanks. Back to CSI Miami. ;-)

 

[Kent C]

Kent, you are awesome. you have given me- both directly and through reading your posts-some of the best advice of any member on here If it wasn't for you and the other Vets on here I would of never made it this far!

Thanks for your comments. They are appreciated. And I agree with 'the other Vets' part too. Most of what I've done is to link to their posts that made the most sense to me, or to vendors that have what the person may want. I started keeping links for myself so it's rather easy to post them for someone who is asking the same questions I did. If it weren't for the vets' posts, I'd have little to refer people to.

 

[k lady]

It's supposed to be for members who have been here over 6 months with 1,000+ posts or over 1 year with 75+ posts, but there is a glitch that lets in anyone who paid to be a supporting member.

Forking over 20 bucks seemed like the least I could do to support a website that just might add years to my life and has offered such a wealth of information. You should consider it.

 

[Jim Davis]

Another thought here guys.
If you're questioning a specific model, try the Model specific forums. An experienced e-cig user sometimes tends to hang out in their favorite models forum. You can get good information, and discuss the bad points as well as the good, with great feedback. If your favorite model is not listed, shoot of a PM to a Moderator requesting it be added.

 

[AngusATAT]

Forking over 20 bucks seemed like the least I could do to support a website that just might add years to my life and has offered such a wealth of information. You should consider it.

I agree. I've been a supporting member since I started vaping (although my supporting member status seems to be glitched at the moment). The ECF is pretty much responsible for turning me on to e-cigs, so it was the least I could do. $2 a month for the wealth of information I have received is chump change.

 

[JustJulie]

Well, this is an interesting thread. Seems like it was just yesterday that I was reading the posts of TropicalBob, Kate, Leaford, and so many others . . . learning at the feet of the masters. Hard to believe that it's been almost 10 months for me, and the e-cig world has changed so much!

When I first started exploring e-cigs, there were a handful of YouTube videos out there. In fact, it was one of Leaford's videos that convinced me to try e-cigs. Seeing the billows of vapor convinced me that this was probably more than a novelty toy.

Because there were so few models to choose from, the choices were relatively easy. Basically, if you wanted a longer battery life, you either got a passthrough or you bought a Screwdriver. End of story. If you wanted a manual battery, you got a Kissbox or a Screwdriver. End of story. Well, sometimes you might be able to convince an electronically gifted friend to make you a mod, but that sure was hit and miss.

Now, it seems as if the sky is the limit in terms of choices. And while that makes for a bit more confusion and head scratching deciding what is "best" for any one person, it is nonetheless a welcome development. And we have the influx of new people to thank for that . . . without new vapers, there wouldn't be the incentive for people and businesses to keep innovating and developing.

So a big thank you to each and every one of you "newbies."

And also a big thank you to the newer vets like Kent who have stepped up to the plate to help newcomers become successful vapers. With the addition of new vapers, our voices grow stronger and we become less of a fad and more of a movement.

I used to be a lot more active on the newcomer board, but I got kind of busy with my "PV activism." There are only so many hours in a day. But I have to admit that I miss hanging out on the newcomer forum, offering advice or just a word of encouragement. If, like me, you feel that PVs have saved your life, it is a privilege and a labor of love to help others discover the joys of vaping.

As for the tired and worn phrase, "The more it looks like a cigarette, the worse it is" from the "experts," well, it's often repeated because there is some truth to it. Battery life for devices that are designed to look like a cigarette tend to be not so great. For those who are moderate to light vapers, that may not be an issue. For those who are heavy vapers, it can quickly get very tiresome constantly charging and switching out batteries.

Still, I don't dismiss the "cigarette-like" PVs. I think that when I first started vaping, it would have been difficult for me to jump in with both feet and use a larger, less familiar looking/feeling device. Also, some people have remained quite satisfied with their smaller, more discrete devices, and it's hard (and foolish) to argue with success.

So my one bit of advice for the day . . . there is not one "perfect" device out there. Each device offers strengths and weaknesses. When you first start vaping, whatever your choice is for a first PV, stick with it for at least two weeks (unless it's mechanically defective). Learn how to use the PV (there's always a learning curve) and figure out what you like and don't like about the particular model. After two weeks if you want to try something different, at least you'll have a baseline to move forward and make comparisons.

 

[Oliver]

Just to confirm - there was a glitch that allowed supporting members to access the Vets forum. This has now been changed - supporting members do not any longer have access (unless they qualify as Vets).

I hope no one is offended by this, but the Vets forum was intended to be a private space for the forum's longest standing members to post.

We will at some point be introducing a forum whereby the most experienced members will be able to offer their advice.......... stay tuned!

SJ