Youde Goliath V2

[sos2001]

Goliath arrived in the mail box today. .5 ohm build @ 30 watts. Just been using it for the last half hour watching the NCAA BB game. Nice so far. fairly easy build...will be a lot easier when I get my new glasses. Not a dry hit yet with the juice control wide open, air flow wide open, and 80vg juice.

 

[avpx1]

An RTA that chucks at 0.5 ohms is what I've been looking for. Just jumped on the group buy over at Smogdistribution. Figured I can't go wrong for 30 bucks. How is the flavor on the Goliath?

 

[RANGERmsr]

Flavor is great IME. I coiled @ .7 ohms. First build still going with 12 tanks so far ( 4th day with it ). No leaks, and keeps up with max VG. I have another on the way .

Don't see much improvement other than top fill maybe, and lose the heat sink top cap. The diameter of the liquid control ring is 24.6 mm. That could be a problem for some, but I like the control it gives

 

[zer0zer01n]

An RTA that chucks at 0.5 ohms is what I've been looking for. Just jumped on the group buy over at Smogdistribution. Figured I can't go wrong for 30 bucks. How is the flavor on the Goliath?

Flavor is great, but it eats up juice so fast. It's like a dripper because I still need to carry a bottle around to refill the tank.

 

[GreekDude1821]

An RTA that chucks at 0.5 ohms is what I've been looking for. Just jumped on the group buy over at Smogdistribution. Figured I can't go wrong for 30 bucks. How is the flavor on the Goliath?

Stick with goblin, bigger air holes, bigger deck and can take lower resistances

Flavor is great, but it eats up juice so fast. It's like a dripper because I still need to carry a bottle around to refill the tank.

I use less dripping than this tank :S

 

[zer0zer01n]

I use less dripping than this tank :S

Agreed lol. Even with a larger tank it'd still go pretty fast with the need to carry a bottle around to refill. Only plus side so far is you won't have to refill as often

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[Ray Lopez]

Its not so much a limited edition as a prototype really. As far as I understand it, Youde were going to junk the whole thing but got great feedback from Ray and decided to churn out a few thousand of the design they had in hand while they were working on improvements for the full release version. I don't see a problem with that. Its well known that there will be a new version so if someone buys the prototype they can't really complain imho! Im just happy that they seem to have rescued a design that would otherwise have been filed away and lost! Looking forward to this beast!

When I first saw it back in January they told me they were not gonna release it and that they only made 1,000 units. So I grabbed one built it and messed with it for a day. Next day I told them how great I thought this tank was and how there was nothing like it on the market right now that had the functionality and price point. I started showing it around to vendors at the show and they were all going crazy for it. Showed it to Twisted Messes and he was impressed as well. I took it home after the show and started putting it to the tests. I could not make it fail! I fell in love with it!!! (As seen in my review). A week later I met with the head manager at Youde and we sat down and talked about the device and what could be done to make it even better than it already was. (Yes I am a consultant/designer for Youde). The main reason they were not happy with the V1 was the looks and size since they had just released the tiny little Goblin and people love it.
So I have been working with them to redesign the V2 to make it even better with more functionality, better looks, shorter, and more juice capacity. I can't tell ya everything yet as to not allow other companies to steal the ideas before it is fully released. Plus the V2 prototype is not finished yet and will probably be a few months out.

The demand for this V1 from vendors and customers has been massive so that is why it went from 1k to 4k and now 10k units. This was not a prototype, this was a finished product with 1k made before I ever messed with it. The V2 is coming off of my redesign ideas of the V1.

Being 100% honest with ya I have not put the V1 down since I got it back in January. It is in my opinion the best damn rta I have ever used. I also just sent out 36 Goliath V1's to fellow reviewers to show everyone that I'm not just pumping this device up because I work with Youde. They should all be receiving them by Friday and I've got nothing but positive feedback from others who have bought the deceive already.

Now you got it straight from the horses mouth!! lol

 

[IML8]

...I've got nothing but positive feedback from others who have bought the deceive already.

Then you're not paying close enough attention to what people are saying. I've seen a few complaints (a couple in this very thread). It's not all sunshine and rainbows for the Goliath.

UD had better pick up the pace if they want to retain the market share they've acquired. At the rate they're going, I wouldn't be too surprised to see a competitor improve the Goliath's design and get it to market before UD even manages to fulfill their current obligations to deliver the remainder of V1 orders. This is a fast moving arena to compete in and I'm absolutely certain other company's representatives are watching and listening to what the average end users, in forums such as these, as well as YouTubers, some of which are not in the upper echelon of reviewers, don't like about the Goliath.

If you're not getting anything other than positive feedback, your isolated ideas for how to improve it probably aren't going to address all the ways is should be improved.

None of this is meant as a slight against you, Ray. It just logically follows from observable facts. If you hold any sway over UD executives, you better light a fire under their collective a**.

 

[Mark Spivey]

First of all I will say the Goliath is a very good RTA that is in the mix of the top 5. I haven't had an RTA yet that didn't give me issues with heat transfer to the Mod. So IMHO the heat sink/dissipation fins would be better utilized on the bottom. I agree with removing them from the top in lieu of having the ability to be top filling (perhaps something akin to that of a YiLoong Fogger V6, especially with the juice flow control it has). I love the 6 mm chimney and think that if they were to adopt the aforementioned type of top fill they could go with SS threads set within Delrin that keep the 6 mm opening all the way through a removable Delrin tip (of course including a Delrin adapter to downsize it to utilize 510 tips for some who just prefer those). I would be a fan of having a true 4 ml tank capacity but also believe that maintaining a short chimney profile supports maintaining maximum flavor delivery (provided you have the proper coil(s), wicking, air flow, etc.). Additionally shorten the height of the lower SS band to make it easier to see the lower liquid level.

Now, my other suggestions will likely require you to have some vision:
Juice control – the length of the control slots (IMHO) isn't necessary so what I would propose would be to make them more precise in length and width to what would be needed in proximity to the juice channels and have the ability to be completely closed, one side open/adjustable, and both sides open/adjustable. This also would coincide with adding a third elongated air hole to the AFC band/ring to allow air flow to only one side. Now, with the aforementioned, you have the ability to be a single or dual coil RTA.

Air Flow/Direction within the base – Simply angle the air holes that are drilled in the deck such that you have air flow across the coil doing a swirling cyclonic action with the vaporized liquid within the chamber as it travels upward toward the chimney. This would require thickening (width) of the negative terminal area (actually while you're at it have the negative post milled out of the deck as a solid piece) and moving the air hole and one juice channel on each side. I would keep a thinner section of metal (where the air hole opening is accommodated now) for threads on each side. I even have a design in mind for the cap (funnel) to chimney piece that would capitalize on this flow pattern and make getting juice pops up the chimney to your mouth nearly impossible.

Sorry this post is so long… just wanted to put my in. Now y'all have something from the backside of a horse...

 

[RANGERmsr]

For the past couple of weeks I have used nothing but the Goliath. For me, it's that good. All complaints I've seen are unfounded to the function of this device. The design lends to great performance, and this is partly due to the more conical shape of the chimney IMO.

It is easy to see there was a lot of thought put in to this, and UD has my attention now . For V1, they have knocked it out of the park with this one. Can't wait to see what they do next.

 

[iamlenb]

It's not quite top end dripper quality of flavor and vapor for me. I'd like the ability to cram 3 mm 22g macro coils in there; it's got the juice and air flow to do it, just not the room. Since it sucks the juice down, getting some more room without extending the length would be awesome... If it had another 50% more capacity, I would be inclined to leave the bottle at home.

It's got fantastic flavor, fantastic vapor, it's a topper I'm keeping on my regulated mod. I wouldn't use it on a mech unless I could dial in a build that was flexible enough to perform over the battery voltage drop.

 

[TheotherSteveS]

When I first saw it back in January they told me they were not gonna release it and that they only made 1,000 units. So I grabbed one built it and messed with it for a day. Next day I told them how great I thought this tank was and how there was nothing like it on the market right now that had the functionality and price point. I started showing it around to vendors at the show and they were all going crazy for it. Showed it to Twisted Messes and he was impressed as well. I took it home after the show and started putting it to the tests. I could not make it fail! I fell in love with it!!! (As seen in my review). A week later I met with the head manager at Youde and we sat down and talked about the device and what could be done to make it even better than it already was. (Yes I am a consultant/designer for Youde). The main reason they were not happy with the V1 was the looks and size since they had just released the tiny little Goblin and people love it.
So I have been working with them to redesign the V2 to make it even better with more functionality, better looks, shorter, and more juice capacity. I can't tell ya everything yet as to not allow other companies to steal the ideas before it is fully released. Plus the V2 prototype is not finished yet and will probably be a few months out.

The demand for this V1 from vendors and customers has been massive so that is why it went from 1k to 4k and now 10k units. This was not a prototype, this was a finished product with 1k made before I ever messed with it. The V2 is coming off of my redesign ideas of the V1.

Being 100% honest with ya I have not put the V1 down since I got it back in January. It is in my opinion the best damn rta I have ever used. I also just sent out 36 Goliath V1's to fellow reviewers to show everyone that I'm not just pumping this device up because I work with Youde. They should all be receiving them by Friday and I've got nothing but positive feedback from others who have bought the deceive already.

Now you got it straight from the horses mouth!! lol

Hi Ray,

thanks for that! I guess protoptype want really what I meant, I was trying to make a point to someone and used the term for a bit of empahsis (and with some artistic licenses I guess)

Loved your review but still havent gotten around to securing one of these yet!

Cheers

steve

 

[nelsonm64]

after watching a couple reviews now I kinda like the v1. i'm not to crazy about that huge juice control ring.. but, the V2 sounds freaking great. ALL the bells and whistles now, can I wait for the V2... that's the question

 

[tehmidcap]

I've yet to own any Youde products. The Goliath is definitely intriguing with some nice ideas (juice control with actual variations, and with that deck access with a full tank), but I'll wait for V2 and see what else is available at the time. If the V2 does indeed come with a longer tank option and possibly has a slightly larger building deck then I'll probably consider it, after letting others be the guinea pigs and reading some reviews first. The Zephyrus has some intriguing ideas too but it's just not enough to make me shell out the money to Youde over the competition.

My main concern is that every other review I read about the Goliath and other Youde products mentions quality control issues. Some users who own multiple Goliaths will say that some are fine while others have machining problems (bad threading, burrs/sharp edges, inconsistencies). These things are the exact reason why people will buy the authentic products instead of Chinese clones, so that they don't have to worry about machining inconsistencies (the peace of mind knowing they're paying for consistent quality) -- So if the authentic is going to be a gamble in terms of quality, what motivation is there to buy authentic?

 

[Vapenstein]

 

[Jimi D.]

^^^^ Oh that is so SEXY ! ^^^^

 

[Vapenstein]

the only thing we have from Youde on this so far is over 4 ml

 

[Jimi D.]

the only thing we have from Youde on this so far is over 4 ml

It definitely looks wider. 23 or even 24 mm perhaps.

 

[Vapenstein]

It definitely looks wider. 23 or even 24 mm perhaps.

I don't think so. I think this tank looks wider because of how short the glass is. Almost the whole chamber is below the glass. It looks Lemo 2/Cthulhu sized to me, which is fine. I am guessing 4.2ml, which will get me to work in the morning.

 

[nelsonm64]

man I tell ya Youde is knocking it out of the park these days!!! i'm lovin' the look of that baby