Young Kids Vaping. How do you feel about it?
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I believe cigalikes were used in 1, then gum/patches in other.
This isn't the exact source i seen when i first read it, not to sure on the website as a whole but they concluded through a few surveys that with vaping is generally equivalent to nicotine gum in terms of addictivness or below that. Il try to find my other one later but it was in a very long read.
New study shows addictive potency of e-cigs far less than cigarettes; less than nicotine gum! - American Council on Science and Health
Less addictive does not mean not addictive. Given what I have read just on this forum, it seems many are highly dependent, if not addicted to e-nic. Some chain vape all day everyday...
It just depends on the person I suppose.
We have some neighbors a couple houses up the street, the one lady chain vapes all day long, (other than when she's in a production meeting) and can hardly put it down. My partner is basically the same, he needs to vape all day other than when he's teaching his classes. Then there is me that can sit through 9 hours at work and not vape. I have met (talked to) some people that do tell me they can't do without their e-cigs and are as addicted to them as they were to tobacco cigs. Personally I can put down the e-cig at this point and likely will one day where as it took me at least the past 10 years of when I was smoking (was a smoker for 31+ years) trying to give up the tobacco, now it's only been about 15 to 18 months of e-cigs and I find I don't really have to have them, some days I don't vape at all anymore. I feel like I could have actually stopped vaping 6 months after starting, I really don't find that calming effect from vaping as I did when I first started vaping (and which was present from cigarettes) but I also don't crave that feeling anymore like I did when smoking cigarettes and would use them to help lower my stress.
It always makes me a little sad when I go to my neighbors house and she says she'll be right back, she just needs to make a run to the vape shop before it closes or she'll be jonesing all night for nicotine. But as long as it keeps her off tobacco products.
Most are former smokers aswell. That have been dealing with that addiction for years. As a new user without prior smoking history, addiction rates would generally be much lower.
As a non smoker prior to vaping i never felt a need to pop in some dip every few hours. It would be a at work or drinking type of thing then leave it alone for rest of day. So i wasn't hooked on it before i switched over to vaping and won't flip my top if my batteries run out or my mod breaks on me.
Theoretically everything is addictive depending on your behavior. Theres a show (my crazy addiction or something) that is more on the extreme spectrum but still.
thats right. Anything can be addictive, so why start 13 year olds on the way to a life of addiction or dependency?
Assuming they would, That would cut out almost everything they eat/drink besides water.
They will try something no matter if its bad or not for them, and its their choice in life. We can inform them as to whats bad or whats good, but at the end of the day their the ones who will be living with their choices in life.
Now if it something that is ruining their life I would try to get them off of it/get them help (ect hard drugs or alcoholic) as those are worse then a nicotine habit or caffeine addict.
Kids need food and water. They don't need nicotine, unless they become addicted to it...
Should kids be allowed to drink beer if they have an addiction to liquor? Beer isn't as bad as liquor, right?
It's all moot anyway. Kids won't be allowed to legally purchase e-nic anywhere in the US...
The water only was in response to your "lets not start them on a life of dependency" not really a statement to take to heart.
And they will still get their hands on it if they desire to wether its illegal for under 18 or not. Would rather they vape to get their nicotine then coat their lungs in tar. I can't judge them for wanting to use nicotine as i do myself. I only offer my advice and let them find their path.
I don't care what kids do. They can drink hard liquor, for all I care. Society won't tolerate it, however, hence age restrictions...
Your definition of young kids is likely different than mine. A young kid to me is thirty years of age and younger. So if twenty to thirty I am fine with kids vaping. OH HUM! It sucks getting old.
Your definition of young kids is likely different than mine. A young kid to me is thirty years of age and younger. So if twenty to thirty I am fine with kids vaping. OH HUM! It sucks getting old.
Oh, well, there are some who thing 10 year olds should have unfettered access to e-nic...
I must be sheltered because I never witness any of the stuff you people talk about. Ive never seen 13yo vaping, ive never seen people blowing clouds in restraunts or any of the other things people mention.
The issue with physical addictiveness is it slants the situation towards continuing to use something not being a reflection of the ordinary like or dislike of a product. Without nicotine, there's a good chance that a 13 year vaper will be bored with it by 16. If we could really keep them away from nicotine until 18, starting young would reduce long-term nic addictions. However, vaping nicotine is less addictive. Smoking cigarettes is the most addictive: not only is there real tobacco and possible additives (I think it's mainly the tobacco, actually), but a single cigarette contains so much of it that most beginning smokers have to work at it to build up a tolerance. When someone has a choice of nicotine levels, they usually gravitate towards a much lower level.
My main problem with kids doing "adult" things is actually "what's the hurry?" We may a have big problem these days anyway, with constant electronic stimulation, in a lack of the painful but essential role of boredom in the development of young imaginations.
I have to bring up the subject of caffiene in this thread. I know I spoke against "pointing fingers" tactics yesterday and it's not my intent to shift blame or suggest rules. However, I do think it is the one thing that is extremely comparable to nicotine except for the issue of smoke. In the case of consuming caffiene in highly sweetened drinks, it may be comparable to vaping or worse. Caffiene is extremely addictive. I have been addicted to it since the age of about 11 and as close to a driver or gateway as can be to every other intoxicant I have ever consumed. I go into a store that sells 10 kinds of soda, 9 contain caffiene and the other flavor is sold out. You'd think if they keep selling out, they'd start ordering more, maybe even realize noncaffienated is what people want. But, the makers and vendors apparently realize the addictiveness keeps selling product.
My main problem with kids doing "adult" things is actually "what's the hurry?" We may a have big problem these days anyway, with constant electronic stimulation, in a lack of the painful but essential role of boredom in the development of young imaginations.
I have to bring up the subject of caffiene in this thread. I know I spoke against "pointing fingers" tactics yesterday and it's not my intent to shift blame or suggest rules. However, I do think it is the one thing that is extremely comparable to nicotine except for the issue of smoke. In the case of consuming caffiene in highly sweetened drinks, it may be comparable to vaping or worse. Caffiene is extremely addictive. I have been addicted to it since the age of about 11 and as close to a driver or gateway as can be to every other intoxicant I have ever consumed. I go into a store that sells 10 kinds of soda, 9 contain caffiene and the other flavor is sold out. You'd think if they keep selling out, they'd start ordering more, maybe even realize noncaffienated is what people want. But, the makers and vendors apparently realize the addictiveness keeps selling product.
Actually, I find caffeine's 'addictive potential' to be fairly mild; I've gone off and on and off it many times in my life, and the 'withdrawal' (godawful headaches mainly) can be pretty tough, but they don't take too long to ease; the first time I weaned myself from it, it was from a 10-cup-a-day coffee habit, and sometime in the late afternoon when that horrible headache would really start pounding, I'd drink a little tea and it would ease; since tea has so much less caffeine than coffee, it's a good way to wean off the high caffeine levels of coffee or Mtn Dew or Dr Pepper. That first time getting off caffeine was the worst, but it was done within a week.
Last summer I discovered I needed to drastically reduce my caffeine intake so I could hang on to more of my body's hydration, and I went from 10 cups a day of hot tea to just 2 in the morning, and decaf tea the rest of the day -- since it wasn't a total elimination of caffeine, just an 80% reduction, I suffered no headaches at all -- but my hydration issues almost completely vanished.
If that type of tolerance/dependence is the worst that can happen to those who use nicotine without having first been a smoker, then I really don't see any problem with adolescents using it; it can be a real boon with ADD, and isn't nearly as harmful as the BP drugs to treat that problem. If the kid has never developed an addiction to *smoking* then he or she is NOT going to become a "lifelong nicotine addict" anymore than kids who drink coca-cola become "lifelong caffeine addicts."
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The worst part about soda/caffeine is its marketed towards kids and then they get worked up over a flavored eliquid that isn't advertised all over tv/online/in vending machines on every corner.
Hell the side effects of caffeine listed on webmd is longer then the list for nicotine.
Well, I certainly don't feel good about it. I feel young teens shouldn't get involved in any bad habit. Even though, e-cigarettes are healthier solution compared to analogs, they still make their user addicted.
I know for a fact that it's a lot harder to make your kids see that it's wrong to vape when you do it yourself. It's contradicting and hard for them to understand.
Another part is if teens weren't vaping then very probably they would be smoking. Typically, most smokers start around that age.
Since we don't live in a perfect world where no addictions exist, we can yet try our best to prevent our youth falling into the same mistake we did but between bad and bad I rather see them vaping than smoking. At least, when they get to their late 20's they won't be coughing their lungs out. Probably even be able to run a couple of marathons with their PV in their mouth j/k
I know for a fact that it's a lot harder to make your kids see that it's wrong to vape when you do it yourself. It's contradicting and hard for them to understand.
Another part is if teens weren't vaping then very probably they would be smoking. Typically, most smokers start around that age.
Since we don't live in a perfect world where no addictions exist, we can yet try our best to prevent our youth falling into the same mistake we did but between bad and bad I rather see them vaping than smoking. At least, when they get to their late 20's they won't be coughing their lungs out. Probably even be able to run a couple of marathons with their PV in their mouth j/k
My kids do vape. Now with saying that 17yrs & 18yrs. I would rather them vape 0nic then to smoke a cig personally. 13 I think is too young but what were you doing at 13yrs bc I was already smoking cigs. Kids are going to find a way. They either steal parents cigs or now a days there buying e-cigs.
I know of a B&M which does sell to kids as young as 13yrs & I refuse to go there because it is stores like these that will make it hard for the ones doing the right thing.
I know of a B&M which does sell to kids as young as 13yrs & I refuse to go there because it is stores like these that will make it hard for the ones doing the right thing.
To me, the WORST problem with soda is the godawful amount of sugar -- my folks were giving me Pepsi in a sippycup before I could even drink from a real glass, and I've been horribly addicted to sugar my whole life -- if it wasn't brown and fizzy, I had no interest in it; going without sugar would put me in a far worse state than going without caffeine! But at least now, I drink tea, so I can control the amount of sugar I use -- just enough to knock down the bitterness, without getting into the syrupy sweetness of soda.
I wouldn't let my son drink any soda at all until he was school-age -- I figured once he was out of my direct all-day supervision, I needed to loosen the strings a bit, but even after he was school-age, he was limited to one soda a day; I figured to at least give him a fighting chance, and not wreck his tastebuds with all that sugar before he was even old enough to attend school! I think it paid off pretty well; he had the usual adolescent acne, but not the deep scarring kind I've suffered since I was about 10 yrs old, and his teeth are in pretty decent shape too.
Andria
That's just an assumption, as there is no proof of that whatsoever at this time.
And it's an unlikely assumption, given the studies showing zero addiction potential in never-smokers.
Those studies are mostly based on giving the patch to never-smokers for various treatments.
But I expect vaping to be similar in that respect.
Although engendering a hand-to-mouth habit might prove, well, habit-forming and hard to break.
I'm not saying it is impossible though.
Just highly unlikely.
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