Your thoughts on kids who vape, but have never smoked an analog before?

[spartanstew]

I don't know if "concerned" is the right word.

Would I rather my son or nephew, or other young person vaped instead of smoked? My god, absolutely. Who wouldn't?

Would I rather they did neither? Sure.

 

[genghishahn]

Doesn't bother me at all. I actually was introduced to vaping by a nonsmoker friend of mine--he vapes (0 nic) because he's got an oral fixation and he likes the flavors. It's honestly better that he picked up vaping instead of finding his way to cigarettes.

I DO think it's silly for nonsmokers to vape e-liquid with nicotine though, especially given that 0 nic is an option. Why develop a nicotine addiction when you don't have to? BUT to each his own--better a nicotine addiction through vaping than through ciggies.

I'm less worried about their nicotine addictions than I am about kids being kids and doing stupid things--potentially ruining it for the rest of us who vape to keep away from cigarettes. I mean honestly, how many members are there here on ECF (or other forums, for that matter) that are not ex-smokers? Where are those kids going for their information? Who's there to tell them not to do stupid things like running a 0.3ohm coil on an 18350?

I didn't think about it until now, but there are actually TWO populations of vapers that will probably ruin it for everyone.
1.) ex-smokers who have no idea what they're doing (the one I was originally worried about)
2.) kids who have no idea what they're doing (the one that I am now worried about IN ADDITION to the one I was originally worried about)

One EPIC fail is all it's gonna take...

 

[Rocketpunk]

Deal with this on a daily basis.

Three rules:

1) When you're a legal adult you have the right to do anything you want to your body. No one should/could be able to tell you otherwise.

2) Understand that if you do not choose zero nic, you're going to be ingesting nicotine and it's BLANKINGLY BLANK BLANKITLY BLANK addictive. There ain't tiptoeing around it, there is no compromising. NICOTINE IS ADDICTIVE AS ALL HELL.

3) If you're doing this to fit in or look cool, I can't and won't stop you from this route. But rest assured, do you REALLY want to be addicted to a substance? If you've been happy your whole life without this substance, and the risks and such are SO FREAKING FREAKINGLY obvious, why choose this route?

GET ZERO NIC. I am STRONGLY and FIRMLY and STAUNCHLY against non-smokers using e-cigs, especially with nicotine.

 

[Tache]

The fact that the percentage of smokers in the population has stuck at something just below twenty percent means that new smokers must be coming on board. If the choice is between cigarettes and vaping, I would rather see the person vaping. If the choice was between any of the "unmentionable" substances and vaping, I'd rather see them vaping. If they are below legal age I'd rather see them abstain altogether, but we know (if we can remember back 40 years or so) that young people have to experiment; try their wings, figure out who they are and how they want to live their lives. If we don't want them to do something, the last thing we should do is tell them "no you can't". Arm them with knowledge, love them and do your best to guide them without judgement.

My 2 cents.

 

[Jo Patterson]

I think the fact that you even asked this question scares the (censored) out of me.
Anyone not your personal dependent should be free to do as they please without judgement from anyone else, as long as it hurts no one except themselves.

I got a bit annoyed when my cousin, who is 20 and has never smoked an analog in his life pulled out his vape and took a toot in front of me. I am 27 and have been smoking since I was 15. I am so thankful for vaping, it has changed my life for only the better. I asked him why he started vaping, he said that he didn't know, he just likes it and that everyone at his university was doing it.

I know its his life and whatnot, but I just think its so stupid to start vaping considering this is a life saving tool for smokers to basically finally live a healthy lifestyle and enjoy life they have always wanted without analogs. I know for myself, being a 1 PAD smoker for the past 10 years, I wish I never picked up the habit. I tried everything to quit and the only thing that has done miracles is vaping. I myself am pretty late to the vape train, I have only been doing it for about a month now..but I have also been analog free for a month.

What are the community's thoughts on this? Is vaping the cool thing to do now for younger kids? Instead of the "bad" kids smoking in high school, are they going to start vaping?

Just seems kind of ridiculous to me.

 

[freeall]

This kinda reminds me of people that are 40+ years old and take up smoking lol

You've never smoked for for the previous 40 years and now all of a sudden, you smoke?

I always get a kick outta that.

But to the OP...

sounds to me like he's doing it to 'fit in', rather than using it as an alternative to smoking, etc.

 

[Rocketpunk]

Captain Hindsight just swooped into my room and told me to stop using capital letters and bold face print. "You come across as pushy and snobbish that way."

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[Gautama]

I don't think it's a good decision. At what point does it seem like a good idea, for someone who isn't trying to quit or cut down smoking, to breathe anything foreign into their lungs? People use the rationale "it's better than..." No one can say "it's better than NOT having an addiction at all." For those of us trying to decrease or eradicate an addiction PV's are a godsend, but not for those who don't (yet) have an addiction to remove. Also, as much as the term "gateway drug" is being used in general discourse nowadays, people who start vaping in this fashion could have a very bad influence on the attitudes of the general populace and in turn BG. This would not end well for us. Just sayin'.

 

[ElectricalSocket]

If anyone thinks e-cigs could be a gateway to cigarette *addiction*, they need to go take a few drags off a cigarette right now and report back how it tastes.

Is it possible that a non-smoker who vapes 0 nic juice may become psychologically addicted to the motions and bum a cigarette one day? Of course.

Are they going to enjoy it and pick up a heavy cigarette addition? Absolutely not. If anything, 2 drags will convince them to always carry backups for their backups.

Is it possible that a non-smoker who vapes nic juice would want a cigarette if they couldn't vape? There's a higher chance of that happening, but again, they aren't going to like it. That's fact, not assumption.

The only reason we powered through the nastiness was because there was no better tasting alternative available and got used to it.

We're talking food flavorings vs. carbon monoxide, tar, and nastiness. To give you a real world example:

I smoked for 10 years. Found out about e-cigs and got a CE5. Found out about silica and freaked out (ironically a little OCD about dust n' stuff). Started back up while trying to wrap my head around making a wire welder to make my own coils so there would be no burnt grommet issues and use cotton wicks. Protank came out = Thank god! Epoxy issue = Thanks god. PT-2 released = FINALLY!

I plan to be smoke-free once they arrive on Fri. You've got someone who smokes every 15 min desperately wanting e-cigs to work (for health AND taste). Why would the opposite happen? It wouldn't.

 

[quiter]

I will not be enabling kids to vape so they won't be getting one from me. However kids will be kids and they are likely to pick up bad habits one way or another. Better vaping than cigs. Only time will tell how this will play out healthwise. I suppose if 50 years from now we end up with far more adults who never smoked but only vaped you will finally have your data on just how safe e-cigs really are. For now we are all really guinea pigs. As safe as it is to assume it's better than smoking we don't really know that it's 100% safe.

 

[ElectricalSocket]

Also, every single one of us needs to understand the difference between cigarette addiction and nicotine addiction. I say this with humility, not trying to be arrogant.

The two are NOT the same. Cigarettes are extremely addictive because of nic + MAOI's. Nicotine by itself is not as addictive. If it was, how are so many 10-50 year smokers stepping down to 0 nic juice? Nicotine by itself is like a caffeine addiction. Yes, some people are very addicted to caffeine, but they sure as hell don't need a cup of coffee every 15 min all day long. It's also an addiction that CAN be stopped. Cigarettes...yeah...we know how easy those are to quit.

All of us have to understand the difference, so we can also explain to other people that there is a difference. Nicotine is not crack ......., nicotine + MAOI's is.

"BACKGROUND: Long-lasting effects of withdrawal from nicotine are hypothesized to contribute to relapse and persistence of tobacco habits, and significant evidence supports a role of monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOI) contained in cigarette smoke as potent modulators of the rewarding effects of tobacco.

RESULTS: In nicotine-infused rats, mecamylamine induced a place aversion that lasted 6 weeks. When nicotine-infused rats were also treated with a MAOI, mecamylamine-induced conditioned place aversion persisted for at least 8 months of abstinence. The MAOI treatment slightly decreased ratings of somatic signs induced by mecamylamine administration but had no effect on the threshold or the magnitude of mecamylamine-induced conditioned place aversion."

I can't say I understand every part of the results, but I do understand:
Nicotine= 6 weeks
Nicotine+MAOI= 8 months

There is a difference.

 

[HauntedMyst]

Kids are fine with vaping, its the adults who are bothered by it. I went down to my kids Montessori school money raising family fair and brought a bunch of cheap batteries and clearomizers filled with fruit and candy juices. I set up a booth called "Clouds O Fun" and let the kids vape any flavor for a buck a minute. I made $176 before some "parent" discovered their was nicotine in the juice (Apparently little Timmy Richards got the poops pretty heavy. Candy .... Although, looking back, I really shouldn't have used 24mg nic fluid. I probably shouldn't have brought the bean bag chairs, black lights and posters. That's the kind of thing that could make vaping be taken in the wrong light) and had me shut down the booth. The kids were ...... though. They were really digging the bubblegum and the watermelon.

 

[ElectricalSocket]

LOL you kid, right? If there's no nicotine, I would say a kid vaping is *most likely* healthier than drinking a soda and absolutely healthier than drinking an energy drink or eating at McDeaths (we'll know within the next few years). With nic though.....

 

[Izan]

LOL you kid, right? If there's no nicotine, I would say a kid vaping is *most likely* healthier than drinking a soda and absolutely healthier than drinking an energy drink or eating at McDeaths (we'll know within the next few years). With nic though.....

...pretty much the same.

Harmless as mums tea and chips....


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[Keitaro]

People pick up on smoking at various different ages. Instead of picking up a smoke and experimenting he decided to vape instead. I don't see a problem with it because the health concerns are FAR less than that of a cig and I'd rather see someone vape. I would say though, it wouldn't be smart to start vaping nicotine with it because it is very addictive and why create an addiction when you don't need to? But eh, people told me the negative parts of smoking and I still smoked for over 8 years because I enjoyed it and I am an adult. I can do what I want...as can anyone else lol.

 

[ElectricalSocket]

I really want to believe it's harmless, like everyone here. I'm starting to wonder though. It's obviously not toxic, massive amounts have been pumped into animals. It would be nice to know more though.

For Instance..
"We propose a novel hypothesis that PGEs in indoor air exacerbate and/or induce the multiple allergic symptoms, asthma, rhinitis and eczema, as well as IgE sensitization respectively."

What?! That's new to me. Not to say it's a fact though. I obviously don't think anything should be banned, but I do think if these "health" organizations cared about health, they would get scientists who understand the research to weigh in on what is *probably* the safest juice components. At least until further research is finished. I.e. is 100% VG potentially safer than using PG? Is there any substance that could replace PG? etc etc

All I know is, if PG can potentially affect children and allergies, I guess I won't be blowing clouds all over my house :/

Edit: Ughhh! Am I falling for propaganda? lol What about PG in asthma inhalers? That study should have also looked at asthma inhaler users to see if there was an increase in "multiple allergic symptoms, asthma (wait...say what?), rhinitis and eczema". Stupid scientists

 

[Islevapn]

What's the difference with starting to vape and starting to smoke?

 

[7sixtwo]

What's the difference with starting to vape and starting to smoke?

Is that a serious question?

 

[Ryedan]

What's the difference with starting to vape and starting to smoke?

3,999 chemicals.

 

[Ryedan]

Also, every single one of us needs to understand the difference between cigarette addiction and nicotine addiction. I say this with humility, not trying to be arrogant.

The two are NOT the same. Cigarettes are extremely addictive because of nic + MAOI's. Nicotine by itself is not as addictive. If it was, how are so many 10-50 year smokers stepping down to 0 nic juice? Nicotine by itself is like a caffeine addiction. Yes, some people are very addicted to caffeine, but they sure as hell don't need a cup of coffee every 15 min all day long. It's also an addiction that CAN be stopped. Cigarettes...yeah...we know how easy those are to quit.

All of us have to understand the difference, so we can also explain to other people that there is a difference. Nicotine is not crack ......., nicotine + MAOI's is.

"BACKGROUND: Long-lasting effects of withdrawal from nicotine are hypothesized to contribute to relapse and persistence of tobacco habits, and significant evidence supports a role of monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOI) contained in cigarette smoke as potent modulators of the rewarding effects of tobacco.

RESULTS: In nicotine-infused rats, mecamylamine induced a place aversion that lasted 6 weeks. When nicotine-infused rats were also treated with a MAOI, mecamylamine-induced conditioned place aversion persisted for at least 8 months of abstinence. The MAOI treatment slightly decreased ratings of somatic signs induced by mecamylamine administration but had no effect on the threshold or the magnitude of mecamylamine-induced conditioned place aversion."

I can't say I understand every part of the results, but I do understand:
Nicotine= 6 weeks
Nicotine+MAOI= 8 months

There is a difference.

Thank you ElectricalSocket. You've just explained my experience quitting smoking after 37 years, weaning off the smokes with a lot of effort and then to zero nic juice very easily after that