Your thoughts on kids who vape, but have never smoked an analog before?

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kristin

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You are not listening friend. FOR ME nicotine is FAR more addictive than caffeine. Also, many people DO quit cold turkey (and bless them for that ability) but I couldn't. I have been listening to your side in this, I just disagree with almost everything that you've said.

A lot of people become addicted to alcohol, but is alcohol considered "highly" addictive? Considering that the majority of people who drink alcohol in this country do so without becoming alcoholics, it's hard to argue it's "highly" addictive just because some people do become addicted to it. Maybe nicotine addiction is similar?

While the number might suggest a correlation between the two, but as many of us know, correlation does not prove causation. There are many other sociological factors that could contribute to prescription drug use (and abuse), as well as easy access and profit margin by BP. It would be interesting to see a study of what percentage of people who gave up nicotine altogether now require antidepressants.

In any case, the number of people taking mood enhancing drugs is alarming, and the number of doctors prescribing them is probably even more so.

Yep, I do realize that correlation does not equal causation - which is why I was simply pointing out the coincidence. ;)
 

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Yo Kristin! lol

Is that deal later today and is there any way I can help? Do you think Hartman and Winickoff will be there, and do you plan on talking to them? They really need to be shut down, at least with including e-cigs in their moral crusade. If they really want "progressive", they should try to get every smoker in the state ON e-cigs. I wonder if they can be persuaded...

I'm not sure what "deal later today" you mean?

The ANTZ that aren't financially motivated have the same goals we do, just different tactics.

Not really. They want complete abstinence from all tobacco and nicotine products and for them to all be banned from the planet, shutting down any company that sells them. Those are definitely not my goals. ;)
 

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My bad, I meant Canton, Mass. I thought it said you were going but it says Karen. Whoops.

Also, I meant same goal as far as getting people off smokes. It's amazing how they are so against nicotine as well. Has this always been a thing with them, or just with the advent of e-cigs? So stupid. Why can 'the children' go get jacked up on redbulls and have a heart attack? What about the children?!? Ban caffeine! :D

Edit: ya beat me to it. Yup Canton.
 

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My bad, I meant Canton, Mass. I thought it said you were going but it says Karen. Whoops.

Also, I meant same goal as far as getting people off smokes. It's amazing how they are so against nicotine as well. Has this always been a thing with them, or just with the advent of e-cigs? So stupid. Why can 'the children' go get jacked up on redbulls and have a heart attack? What about the children?!? Ban caffeine! :D

Edit: ya beat me to it. Yup Canton.

The ANTZ are behind all the banning of smoking that started waaaaay back when. It used to be you could smoke anywhere: planes, stores, hospitals, doctor offices, work, restaurants didn't have "smoking sections" etc... The ANTZ are against anything that even looks like smoking or has the ability to make a nicotine habit pleasant. According to them, nicotine is a four letter word.
 

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Oh goodness no. I've only been cigarette free for 2 1/2 weeks which, barring the times I tried Chantix (evil, evil drug btw) is the longest I've been able to quit and never as easily as with a PV. I haven't stopped using my PV since I started using it (nor would I, as a stay at home dad it would be bad for the kiddies :evil:).

Addiction is a very individual thing. I've known people who experimented with various opiates for years and then just stopped. I've also known people people who became hopelessly addicted after just trying them once. When it comes to neurobiology, it is nigh impossible to determine how specific drugs will affect individuals. That's why the side effect lists are so expansive on many of the "medicines" we ingest (well, that and the fact that BP is trying to protect their collective asses from lawsuits).

I've seen some of the studies regarding Nicotine+MAOI's vs Nicotine by itself and they're kind of scary. Cigarettes are almost the perfect drug (other than the whole "dying" thing) and the data seems to make sense when speaking generally. I'm not disagreeing based on the science though, I'm disagreeing based on personal experience. "Science" (as well as my doctor) told me Chantix was a good idea when it first came out. It wasn't. I'll take my chances on experience from now on.


OK. Much better information. You just missed how high or low you are vaping at.

However, at 2.5 weeks, you are DEFINITELY still addicted to tobacco. You will not know how addicted to just the nicotine until after all the other poisons have left your body.

I was highly addicted to tobacco. Inhaled to my lungs on a pipe for 30 years and could not stop even when I started getting the COPD symptoms.

Then came vapin! For me, I lost all interest in smoking within a day. I attributed lingering withdrawals on tobacco and just kept on chain-vaping. That is what worked for me. After just a month... No withdrawals and no desire to smoke again.

Other people take up to 6 months. Still others still have to have one or two cigs a day after two years. That will vary.
Meanwhile, just say that smoking is highly addictive, since that is what falls in line with the studies done so far and say that "your milage will vary" :p

You will get lots of help and encouragement here on the forums, so you have found the right place. :D
If you want to discuss further, create a thread with your time vaping, time smoked, and any symptoms and you will be surprised at the help and advice.


Back on topic, the OP started a thread about KIDS vaping, but was actually talking about a 20 yo....

I do not go around advising ANYONE to smoke or vape. But if a non-smoker of legal (voting) age decides to vape instead of smoke, I have and will say " much better choice!"
But I have done much research on the effects of nicotine in and out of tobacco products. So as long as you don't have an existing high blood-pressure condition, the "dangers" of vaping are anywhere from 90 to 99% lessened depending on which study you look at starting from as early as the mid 90s to the current date.
 
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