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Yes, but it has to be a 18490. 18500s are a tad longer and it won't screw down all the way.
Can anyone explain exactly why there is any flavor difference between this and any other carto-tank?
I remember the video with Phil and Zen and they were still being secretive about it at that point, but it was mentioned that the design fixed whatever was causing the bad flavor with the slightly older Boge cartos.
I'm just not seeing any performance related design features here, so I'm confused how this is going to perform any different than a lone carto, or any other carto tank.
I remember the video with Phil and Zen and they were still being secretive about it at that point, but it was mentioned that the design fixed whatever was causing the bad flavor with the slightly older Boge cartos.
I'm just not seeing any performance related design features here, so I'm confused how this is going to perform any different than a lone carto, or any other carto tank.
If there are any performance-related design features, they were lost on me. I ordered one (18650) and ended up selling it. It did look quite nice -- really nice, in fact. But in terms of actual performance, no discernable difference between it and a good quality carto tank.
It did work well -- no flooding, nice draw, good quality components in the tank section. But if it was better than a normal carto tank in terms of flavor, the difference was so subtle that it bypassed my palette.
I would have kept it just for the looks, but the battery rattle and the switch action put me off.
I am completely perplexed at what makes this device different. I actually will go as far as to say the taste with mine is actually slightly muted vs a regular carto tank setup. I agree with hazozita, the rattle and the horrible action of the switch make me reluctant to keep this. While I agree it's nice looking I can't justify the premium price. I've been through a few tanks full and tried a few different cartos and still find the taste and performance sorely lacking. I need to take lung hits to get this to perform. I have a 18650 tube coming and maybe with a kick this thing will surprise me but as of right now I am seriously confused at to what purpose this thing has in my collection.
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If you need to take lung hits "to get this to perform" there is something wrong.
My experience has been much different when compared to the previous few comments.
My Zenesis 2 Carto Tank (18490 & 18650) has amazing Flavor/Throat Hit/Vapor ("F/T/V"). It's definitely a little better than my T2 in all aspects. It still tastes like a carto but when you have it set up and broken in it tastes slightly different than a normal carto tank.
My button is very smooth so I'm not sure what people's issue is with their buttons but mine is perfect. The spring is somewhat stiff but that is a good thing if you ask me. With the stiff spring it won't accidentally fire in my pocket or when I set it down.
In the end, I am VERY happy with my purchase and I'm VERY happy with the performance of the Zenesis 2 CT.
I don't think there are any problems with this PV. I think the problem is that some people set their expectations too high and thought this was going to be some ground-breaking PV that was nothing like a normal carto tank. It IS ground-breaking and it IS a LOT different than a normal carto tank.
Because of the research and engineering that went into the design of the Zenesis 2 CT it will perform outstanding and consistently with any carto you use because the carto is used in a more controlled fashion than in a normal carto tank.. I personally experienced that the Zen 2 CT has better flavor and vapor than a normal carto tank.
One experiment I performed to see how much engineering went into this PV was cover one of the 4 air holes while vaping. It really muted the flavor when you don't get the airflow that you're supposed to so maybe some of you are accidentally covering one of the air holes a little, I don't know. All I know is that my Zen 2 CT works amazing and, hwen using the same carto, it has better Flavor & Vapor than my J-Tank on my Provari.
The Zenesis 2 Carto Tank was designed to be a all-day, take to work/school/etc. kind of PV that you can set down anywhere without worrying about leaking and just pick it up and vape without any of the hassle that comes with Genesis style hybrids.
I think it suits its role perfectly and mine performs much better than my J-Tank with the same exact carto.
I think it suits its role perfectly and mine performs much better than my J-Tank with the same exact carto.
I ended up sanding down the screw inside the switch so it has a flat top and that seems to help with the issues I was having with the button. I received my 18650 tube and threw a kick in there which helps even things out and as a side benefit of it not fitting correctly, actually shortened the throw of the switch which also helped. In the end though I don't see this being at all different than a regular cargo/tank setup on a standard battery. My experience so far has been that the taste is either no different or slightly muted. Obviously this is highly subjective and depends a lot on the user and the setup but as an experienced vapor who uses almost everything out there so far I just don't understand why this was touted as being anything more than a pretty cargo/tank setup. I guess the pbasurdo video kind of gave me the impression that there was some secret technology at play here.
That's my feeling exactly.
When I first saw that vid back when it was posted, I was under the assumption there was something truly new or groundbreaking with how this cartotank was designed. They were sure acting as if this was the case, making it seem like they couldn't say too much without giving away the "secret"
But what is the secret? What is all this engineering that I keep hearing about that went into this device? Having a carto screw into the endcap instead of a 510 connection is hardly groundbreaking. The AGR tank uses a very similar concept (although there is a separate bottom cap and locking section, instead of the cap and female 510 being one solid unit like the Zen.
Can anyone describe in more detail how the airflow on this thing works? Airflow is the one thing I could see having a big effect with this cartotank, since it doesn't get airflow the "normal" way from what I can tell.
Airflow definitely has a big effect on how a carto vapes. Some devices I own have a 510 connection that just doesn't seem to work well airflow-wise with cartos. If the Zen has a much more open and directly air pathway this would seem to be a great selling point and potential source of any increased performance with the zen.
I just don't understand why this isn't being elaborated on more. This thing is _incredibly_ expensive for a cartotank, I just expect a bit more than "here, buy this cartotank, and then you figure out why it's worth a month's groceries"
It seems that if you are going to slap the price tag of a high-end genesis onto something as simple and basic as a carto-tank, you'd explain a bit more about WHY and WHAT makes this thing better or different than any other carto tank out there.
Maybe the selling point is that people who are into rebuildables can still vape a carto-tank without feeling embarrassed about it, since at least it's a zen cartotank
Maybe the selling point is that people who are into rebuildables can still vape a carto-tank without feeling embarrassed about it, since at least it's a zen cartotank
I think you hit the nail on the head with that! It has the look of Zen -- cartos are cool again!
I'd also love to know more about the inner workings, and hopefully there will be a long and detailed pbusardo video about it soon. I could not determine that there was anything special about the technology other than the fact that the carto screwed into a post, but there could very well be a lot of design work that is not visible (or recognizable) to my eye. Some are clearly happy with the device and feels it's a big step up over a "normal" tank.
Still, to me, it vaped just like any other tank.
Just received my zenesis cartro what a mistake sharp poor quality machine work and to top it off it doesn't even fire and the battery sliding around this isn't what I expected. ZenJunk
Can someone tell me where to get a replacement tanking broke! I want the Ss and the quartz i know you ENS cells then but I'm not sure if they fit on a Z2
Im happy to say electronic stix is working with me to fix my quality issues with my zenesis ll cartro that I do appreciate very much
well, lots of people spend +$200 on a mech just for the looks of it and you still need a rba / rda / carto tank / atty / whatever fancies you
I'm not one of those although I admit I'm drooling over a precise ELA as I get more into mechs
also, I'd buy just the zen2 body because of the gold electrical contacts, the voltage drop must be minimal, I just need to find more accesories besides Zen's cart & genesis that would work with it
If you're interested, Zen has made a 510 adapter that will screw into the body. Makes for plenty of flexibility. It's on electronicstix's zen accessories page.
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No problem...this is actually a better deal though. The entire Z2 system is designed to be modular, and the DX-series is everything you need less the delivery system, which doesn't need to be Zen.
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What carto setups are you getting the best performance on these-dualcoil,single and which ohm? I am curious if you can get a strong enough vape at 3.7v. I usually use a 2ohm dualcoil on my provari around 5.2v. But, love the looks of the carto zenesis and am intrigued with the unique airflow setup. Is it worth the pricetag?
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