Zenesis Informational/Help thread. Please Post questions and answers here.

[FogNL]

hello fog. I have no idea if the new ct apvs have the new or old switch. . If that is the old switch, the brass screw is solid. make sure to engage the side of the tube with the switch. In otherwords, depress the switch from the side and not smack dab in the middle. I'd send a ticket to ENS if you don't get more answers. I've never heard of a copper screw. Could it be gold plated? If so, it is definetly not solid gold

If that is the new switch, with the delrin cup, you will need to use more washers.

Thank you Tybin. The CT is part of the Zenesis 2 system and it has the new switch with the Delrin cup. I took a second look at the screw and it's gold plated. As it's dark yellow so I took it for copper last night. My fault...
Do I need to use more washers than the two I have in there now? It is working fine.

I just solved the issue with the gap between the switch and tube. I turned out that I had the tube upside down with the grooves at the end of the carto. With the grooves at the switch side the switch closes tight on the tube. Great!


@joaquingt I have red AW 490 batteries.

 

[jrs99]

Thank you Tybin. The CT is part of the Zenesis 2 system and it has the new switch with the Delrin cup. I took a second look at the screw and it's gold plated. As it's dark yellow so I took it for copper last night. My fault...
Do I need to use more washers than the two I have in there now? It is working fine.

I just solved the issue with the gap between the switch and tube. I turned out that I had the tube upside down with the grooves at the end of the carto. With the grooves at the switch side the switch closes tight on the tube. Great!


@joaquingt I have red AW 490 batteries.

Hiya! New switch? I've got some experience with that ;P
How many springs came in your switch? Mine had 2 springs and 4 washers. With 4 washers there was no battery rattle however it wouldn't stop making contact and firing. 2 washers and it wouldn't fire at all, 3 washers worked the best.
I do find it to be a lot more finicky than the old style and have just reverted it back to the old style. Which for the new switch is the one spring on the button and 4 washers under the contact screw.
Also you mention having to turn your tube a certain direction for the switch to seal properly...I don't think you should have to do it that way. I have both my Zen's set up with the design lines at the top and have seen many pictures showing the exact same set up. Makes me wonder if something is slightly wonky with your tube or switch threading.

 

[FogNL]

Weird stuff with these Zen's...

My switch has 2 springs and had 3 washers, now 2. But it works with 2 or 3. There only seems to be a slight difference in throw. I have no battery rattle at all. Solid as a brick. This seems to be down to the spring loaded delrin cup holding the battery 'up'?

The tube and gap in one direction is also weird. Maybe these differences are linked to different tube/battery setups?

 

[tybin]

I have one new switch I haven't figured out yet. my other new switch is fine. i at switch out the screw on the first to see if that solves it.

 

[FogNL]

I've taken it apart a few times again trying to figure out where the apparent differences between units come from.

The Zen 2 switch-throw-contact mechanism is solely dependent on the size of the 'stacked' parts. From the bottom up these are:
Button > screw + washers > battery > tube length > screw in the carto or atty base. That's it.

The quality of engineering of the main parts like the tube, switch button & body, carto & atty base is excellent. This is all CNC machining so the tolerances are tight and the sizes are both accurate & constant. This is automated / robotized production equipment. It's virtually impossible to get varying sizes & tolerances. We can rule this out.

The varying - or less accurate parts - seem to be the screw(s) (> look like mass produced 3rd party) but in any case the batteries and washers. This is where the differences between units come from I guess. My 2c.

Would be nice if ElectronicStix could step in and shine some light on this. I've send them a support email on monday but no response yet.

 

[Paradisevap]

The Batteries even among AW's themselves can vary and yes Fog more then likely thats were the variances besides batteries are can you post pics of your parts and Batteries ?

 

[tybin]

for those with sidewinders,

mike says the altus glass will fit the sidewinder if you take off the locking ring and add an 016 ring to the top cap

 

[jrs99]

The sapphire will not be a regular for that very reason. that said, there is a natural uneven look to my switch. no spots though so you might
ask.

Finally got a response back and they don't have any more switches. Then the response goes into a canned "how pretty the color is and how strong the coating is". It mentions the color variations which I totally understand and appreciate.
However either the coating on the switch isn't as strong as they think it is or someone in QA didn't look at it very closely.
There's little silver flecks all over it, the coating around the bezeled part is wearing off...Looking back now I really regret buying this color.
So while the tube and topcap look really nice, my switch looks like [censored].

 

[tybin]

sorry dude. will they let you trade it for another color?

 

[FACE MEAT]

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[Mermaaan]

Has anyone had a chance to try the low ohm kit in their switch yet? I've got a couple on order but haven't seen any discussions or comparisons to the original spring performance yet. Just curious I guess.


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[joaquingt]

im wondering too, i only use my zen's at .6 .7 .8 and they perform nice and im reakly courious about the performance with the sub-ohm kit


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[Mermaaan]

Just got the new spring kit and installed on one of my switches. There's definitely a performance difference compared to the original spring. However, I'm not a fan of how drastically it changes the throw. There's a lot less travel (it's a really short spring) and it's a lot stiffer to throw. It's actually slightly too short for the switch I noticed, and creates more wobble since the socket for the screw now protrudes too far into the delrin cup. You can't tighten the screw enough to eliminate the extra play. I just put a thin drip tip o-ring under the washers to fix it. I suppose you could stretch the spring itself too, but that looked like too much of a pain in the ...., so I went with the o-ring.

I've already been using the copper hot spring fix (linked way back in this thread) from some other vendor for a different mod for all my low ohm vaping so I was just curious to try the new one, not desperate for it. I bought a few of those back when I got my first zen as a just in case solution and ended up using them in all my switches. The copper hot spring went into my switch around the time I started building in the .6 - 1.2 ohm range and I ended up leaving it in after seeing the increased heat and vapor that I got compared to the original spring.

I don't have any equipment to measure exact performance, and don't really care to anyway so my impression is based on feel more than anything. So for testing the new spring I compared it with the the copper hot spring. I couldn't really tell the difference performance wise between the new spring and my copper one. They both provided a similar power difference over the original. I still prefer the feel and throw of the copper hot spring though. I get a smooth full length throw that's easier to fire for all the extended chain vaping I do. I also don't like that the new spring is plated and will probably wear down quickly (this is even mentioned in the product description on ENS). I'm going to leave the new spring in for now and see how it wears in, but I'm going to stick with my copper springs. Just thought a first impression might be useful to others.




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[PEneoark]

Low ohm spring kit? Did I miss something? Lol

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[Mermaaan]

http://www.electronicstix.com/colle...-accessories/products/sub-ohm-kit-for-zenesis

Apparently I missed it too.
Only found out about it through a post on reddit, then a visit to ENS to confirm.


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[joaquingt]

Just got the new spring kit and installed on one of my switches. There's definitely a performance difference compared to the original spring. However, I'm not a fan of how drastically it changes the throw. There's a lot less travel (it's a really short spring) and it's a lot stiffer to throw. It's actually slightly too short for the switch I noticed, and creates more wobble since the socket for the screw now protrudes too far into the delrin cup. You can't tighten the screw enough to eliminate the extra play. I just put a thin drip tip o-ring under the washers to fix it. I suppose you could stretch the spring itself too, but that looked like too much of a pain in the ...., so I went with the o-ring.

I've already been using the copper hot spring fix (linked way back in this thread) from some other vendor for a different mod for all my low ohm vaping so I was just curious to try the new one, not desperate for it. I bought a few of those back when I got my first zen as a just in case solution and ended up using them in all my switches. The copper hot spring went into my switch around the time I started building in the .6 - 1.2 ohm range and I ended up leaving it in after seeing the increased heat and vapor that I got compared to the original spring.

I don't have any equipment to measure exact performance, and don't really care to anyway so my impression is based on feel more than anything. So for testing the new spring I compared it with the the copper hot spring. I couldn't really tell the difference performance wise between the new spring and my copper one. They both provided a similar power difference over the original. I still prefer the feel and throw of the copper hot spring though. I get a smooth full length throw that's easier to fire for all the extended chain vaping I do. I also don't like that the new spring is plated and will probably wear down quickly (this is even mentioned in the product description on ENS). I'm going to leave the new spring in for now and see how it wears in, but I'm going to stick with my copper springs. Just thought a first impression might be useful to others.




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where did you get your copper spring ?


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[Mermaaan]

http://altsmoke.com/starterkit/advanced-kits/silverbulletusa/sbhotspring.html

You can shape and or trim this one to suit your preference with how it throws, but it will fit into a zen switch as is. I prefer these to the stock spring in a zen switch.


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[FACE MEAT]

Just got the new spring kit and installed on one of my switches. There's definitely a performance difference compared to the original spring. However, I'm not a fan of how drastically it changes the throw. There's a lot less travel (it's a really short spring) and it's a lot stiffer to throw. It's actually slightly too short for the switch I noticed, and creates more wobble since the socket for the screw now protrudes too far into the delrin cup. You can't tighten the screw enough to eliminate the extra play. I just put a thin drip tip o-ring under the washers to fix it. I suppose you could stretch the spring itself too, but that looked like too much of a pain in the ...., so I went with the o-ring.

I installed the sub-ohm kit in my Sidewinder this morning. I hadn't used the Sidewinder in a few days because I was waiting for the kit to arrive. The seat-of-the-pants impression I got was an increase in performance, but I didn't have enough time to check with my multimeter.

I'll get the numbers from my multimeter and post them as soon as possible and report them here.

 

[Mermaaan]

Great! Looking forward to seeing your results.


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[joaquingt]

http://altsmoke.com/starterkit/advanced-kits/silverbulletusa/sbhotspring.html

You can shape and or trim this one to suit your preference with how it throws, but it will fit into a zen switch as is. I prefer these to the stock spring in a zen switch.


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thabk you


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