Diketones will destroy vaping before they destroys your lungs
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That is the Purity of when the Math has a Finite Solution.
You either Have a Solution. Or you Don't.
If somehow vaping moves to unflavored being the norm, I doubt many people would make the switch. It's not like smoking is without flavor, and unless ex-smokers are lying, that flavor in smoking can be quite appealing.
It humors me that when opposition was like, "let's just get rid of flavors, okay." Vapers everywhere were like, "no, no, NO!"
Now many vapers are like, "seriously, why do you/we need flavors anyway?" Combined with something along lines of not having long term data, and we just don't know if it's safe.
It humors me that when opposition was like, "let's just get rid of flavors, okay." Vapers everywhere were like, "no, no, NO!"
Now many vapers are like, "seriously, why do you/we need flavors anyway?" Combined with something along lines of not having long term data, and we just don't know if it's safe.
referring to the Cal. reg. thread and the discussion on taxes my program convert.exe
calculates 15.41 drops per ml.
hide that dropper zoiD,some one from California may
be visiting.
mike
Yeah... I can Imagine that CA BOE staffers have frequented this site Many Times.
That's why we use ejuice me up software calculator. 
lol hahaha /joke
Your batch is 4ML. For this rough ballpark exercise /lol the amount of PV/VG and NIC level is a non event.
Two drops is 0.08 ML or 2% of the total 4ML batch. Back of napkin, this sounds feasible depending on whose flavor (not combing two finished mixes) you are using
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lol hahaha /jokeYour batch is 4ML. For this rough ballpark exercise /lol the amount of PV/VG and NIC level is a non event.
Two drops is 0.08 ML or 2% of the total 4ML batch. Back of napkin, this sounds feasible depending on whose flavor (not combing two finished mixes) you are using
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Incredibly true.
I've thought about trying some unflavored, just to give it a shot, but this is after 2.5 YEARS of being off of cigs. If my immediate option was flavorless, it would not have carried the same appeal for me. I still rotate through multiple flavors a day, and am always trying new ones. Flavor is a big part of vaping for me.
Of course, I live with a smoker, and as much as I dislike the smell/taste of smoke now, it is no doubt a subtle temptation to me.
That's why we use ejuice me up software calculator.
Your batch is 4ML. For this rough ballpark exercise /lol the amount of PV/VG and NIC level is a non event.
Two drops is 0.08 ML or 2% of the total 4ML batch. Back of napkin, this sounds feasible depending on whose flavor (not combing two finished mixes) you are using
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But all of this kinda gets back to a Fundamental Question.
If there are Chemical Flavorings that have Links to Lung Problems, or if the are Flavorings that are Unknown Effects, isn't reducing the Amount of Intake of these Chemicals a Viable Option if one wants to Reduce His/Her Risk Level?
I'm not saying that Everyone should Switch to Unflavored or HOF. Or that OEMS/Retail should do this or that.
But if a Person takes a 30ml Bottle of Flavored e-Liquid and adds 30ml of Unflavored, haven't they Cut the Amount of Flavoring Chemicals they will inhale in a Day in Half?
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I actually vape this sometimes to clean/recharge my taste buds after way way to much mixing.
For some, a quality mix of unflavored has a delightful and subtle "sweet" tone from the VG.
I actually vape this sometimes to clean/recharge my taste buds after way way to much mixing.
For some, a quality mix of unflavored has a delightful and subtle "sweet" tone from the VG.
I think this gets back to why vaping is such a big deal. As a cessation method it is by far superior to the patch/gum/lozenge, because you have the ability to fully customize. What type of vapor do you want, what flavors do you want, what level of nicotine do you need? Once you've made the switch, you can then further refine your vaping, lowering flavoring and nicotine, if that's what you want, or you can explore all of the flavors and enjoy that aspect.
I completely agree, if you could take a vendor juice with 20% flavoring down to 10 essentially you would be cutting the dose back.My usual mixes consist of a total of 9 - 10 % with three different flavorings, which in a good device represents plenty of flavor.At what point besides going un flavored do you realize vaping diketone free you are still vaping chemicals that could possibly be as bad or worse ?
I will personally try some unflavored. I haven't tried any yet. There are many benefits to vaping, but there is also good evidence that components within some of our favorite flavorings are responsible for irreversible lung damage. What a shame it would be to reduce the cancer risk almost to zero, no longer have lung tar, no longer smell bad, finally be able to control nicotine levels, and at the end of the day we still end up with COPD or worse lung damage.
If someone vapes diketones at the levels that are contained in some of these juices, I just don't see how lung damage is at all avoidable. It seems like more of a matter of "how long will it take" rather than "will it happen".
If smokers get mild to severe COPD, and if diketones play a roll in that, then vaping more of these chemicals in our juice than we used to get from smoking does not look to be very promising for our harm reduction goals.
Some people say "well this is vaping, so maybe its somehow not harmful to have DA/AP in the juice". If diketones contact your lung tissue, they are causing damage to it. Vaping diketones causes them to contact your lung tissue. It is safe to assume there is damage occurring, and very unsafe to assuming anything else.
I also like the idea of cutting back on flavoring in the same way you cut back on nicotine. That's a good idea. Use the flavorings and strong nice to get you off the smokes, and then taper off to make it even safer as you continue to adjust.
If someone vapes diketones at the levels that are contained in some of these juices, I just don't see how lung damage is at all avoidable. It seems like more of a matter of "how long will it take" rather than "will it happen".
If smokers get mild to severe COPD, and if diketones play a roll in that, then vaping more of these chemicals in our juice than we used to get from smoking does not look to be very promising for our harm reduction goals.
Some people say "well this is vaping, so maybe its somehow not harmful to have DA/AP in the juice". If diketones contact your lung tissue, they are causing damage to it. Vaping diketones causes them to contact your lung tissue. It is safe to assume there is damage occurring, and very unsafe to assuming anything else.
I also like the idea of cutting back on flavoring in the same way you cut back on nicotine. That's a good idea. Use the flavorings and strong nice to get you off the smokes, and then taper off to make it even safer as you continue to adjust.
Arrggggghhhhh!!! Quit vaping!
Working on it. Nicotine is addictive as hell so its not that easy, but you already know that I'm sure.
Do your own leg work.
I hear you on all this.
But at some point I think that the "Safety" of the Chemicals in the Flavorings need to be Considered.
I've said for a Long Time that when the Studies are all done, that the Flavorings/Colorants/Sweeteners (IMO) will pose a Much Greater Risk than Nicotine in a PG/VG Solution.
It may be that there are Very Few Flavorings that are considered GRAS for Inhalation in the levels seen in many/most Retail e-Liquids.
I dunno? There just isn't a very large Population of Never-Smoking Vapers who have used the Same Flavored e-Liquid for 5+ Years.
Awesome. So its safe to vape bucket loads of DA/AP then? This is amazing news. Thanks.
I'm not sure if I understand your Question?
If you mean when did I start to Look at All Flavoring as possible having problems. That would have been around the time of that Diacetyl was first looked at as a Problem. Around 2011 ~ 2012.
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i have and can find no references avering diketones automatically
irreversibly damage the lungs on contact at or below NIOSH's recommended
safety limits. i am unaware of any limits regarding where damage
actually occurs.
i am also unaware of any chemical process where as
molecules of diketones disassociate themselves from being suspended
and dispersed in either PG or VG and wind up on lung tissue long
enough to cause said damage.
regards
mike
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