Who protects us from vendors who would lie, or even falsify test results by sending in 'special' samples to get tested?
Diketones will destroy vaping before they destroys your lungs
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Who protects us from vendors who would lie, or even falsify test results by sending in 'special' samples to get tested?
I still stand by all of that. Everything you quoted represents the risk. Permanent lung damage is the risk. Nowhere in there did I say it will kill you, If that's what you are implying. There are no second chances because the damage is permanent.
I ask about the sweeteners because someone asked me last week while I was seeing an endocrinologist. My pancreatitis has now caused damage to the islet cells, which are responsible for monitoring and regulating blood sugar levels. Interestingly I have not become diabetic as expected (yet), but instead have postprandial hypoglycemia. My friend wanted to blame vaping instead of pancreatitis.
Ha ha ha , yeah , that's a "no go" for me .
This is why I would like third party testing. The vape industry is big enough a lab could specialize in testing e-liquids. They would buy the samples they tested, rather than on rely on vendors to send them samples, then the results would be available on the lab's web page...
Nah I'm saying you are admitting to fear mongering and stating that "people will have lung damage...They won't get to decide to vape safer juice or to make an effort to quit because their lungs are already thrashed beyond repair, etc."
So again fear mongering and misinformation should not be tolerated on either side of this argument and I hope more people report you for doing so. It is not appropriate or helpful it is intimidation and fear tactics.
We don't know whats in it is a "warning " sign to me , there are tons of juice manufacturers that do not tell the truth about whats really in their juice and that to me is unacceptable and should be unacceptable to everybody .
Yes, it's a warning sign to me as well. When i hear a response like this from a vendor ( as i have ), i do consider the possibility that they do know, and chose not to disclose.
That would be where the government, or at least the courts, actually have a function to perform. It's the way our society works. If you suspect a company of being deceitful, you look for proof. If you find proof, you sue so that they cannot continue, and as a warning to others not to do the same thing.
Nobody can say with certainty at this point what the health consequences will be over the long haul , saying that vaping these chemicals over the long haul will most likely have health ramifications is not fear mongering either.
Fear mongering is saying that these chemicals will kill you over the long haul as fact . I don't think anyone said that .
It's way too early to know what the health consequences will be at this point but i am not willing to say what some say like these chemicals will do you no harm regardless of how long you vape.
I don't trust e juice companies , "Five Pawns" was saying their juice is free of the stuff and look at what their results showed, scary.
And how accurate are the analysis ? will they modulate with any certain temperature of heat applied ?
I agree with you about it being way too early to know, which is why statements that OP made like "people will have lung damage" is fear mongering. He is stating the absolute worst outcome as fact when, as of now, it is just his opinion based on evidence that does not directly apply. Which again he refuses to source.
Plus he says he's fear mongering in the beginning of that post
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