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Hi Q,
I watched your review on the gem and tried to mirror it, I think I got it just right then bang! Dry hit. I have been using the subtank nano for a while before I got this so I'm thinking that maybe my vaping style may have changed with the gem being a little tighter draw, which I wanted, maybe I'm still drawing on it like a subtank but do you think this would make any difference. Just can't see any other way than the drill which I'm trying to avoid, thanks for the info though,
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Hi Q,
I watched your review on the gem and tried to mirror it, I think I got it just right then bang! Dry hit. I have been using the subtank nano for a while before I got this so I'm thinking that maybe my vaping style may have changed with the gem being a little tighter draw, which I wanted, maybe I'm still drawing on it like a subtank but do you think this would make any difference. Just can't see any other way than the drill which I'm trying to avoid, thanks for the info though,
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Hey thanx :)
I have never used Sub tanks (except during meets / Vape Fests) and I don't enjoy that vape. So, I might not be the right guy to talk about them. But I do understand your point - that yes, excessive strong frequent pulls could be an issue.
 

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Hi,
Anybody else having difficulties with the wicking of this beauty? I'm nearly at my wits end with it, at the point of drilling out the wick holes a little bit more. Has anyone done this? I just feel I've gone through a ton of builds, various wicks etc but just keep on getting dry hit after dry hit. I don't think I'm alone after scrolling through this thread I just can't seem to get it right, surely it can't be that hard I mean I've been coiling now for over a year on various other rtas, or maybe a fraction of a mm do count!! I just compared the wick holes on my stock subtank nano coil and they are nearly twice the size of these, now I now that this is maybe an unfair comparison but maybe just a little drilling would help....what do u guys & gals think? Any comments would be greatly appreciated as a wanted to have this mod and tank combo as my sole setup and after waiting for over a year for it to be released I'm just a bit gutted with it at the moment,
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ive no doubt you can build an RTA just fine but comparing the juiceflow on this to a subtank nano is a bit apples and oranges, dont you think?? You know the subtanks have a greater capacity for vapour production and are set up for just that. If you are expecting to do massive lung hits and change weather patterns on the GEM you will be disappointed i fear :( Having said that, i have certainly found it a little..err..temperamental and it needs a bit more attention to detail maybe than some. Its not an erlkoenigin for sure, but it does need some practice and I certainly havent got it quite right for TP vaping just yet but love it nonetheless! Hang in there would be my advice and dont go for the power tools just yet!! If you are determined to do that then certainly talk to @IanDVaypes first as @qorax suggested ( I too think Ian did it first) and get his experiences of doing that. Anyway, good luck with it and let us know how you get on!!!!

ps. as a matter of interest, what VG/PG you using sir?? I have found it somewhat more forgiving at 60:40 VG say, compared to the 80%VG i threw in there initially. However, I am sure the device can cope with high VG, just I havent quite figured out how best to get there yet!!!
 
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Thanks, I'm just airing my thoughts before I do something I may regret with the drill

The GEM, like other hi-end attys can be frustrating at first.

No shame in watching Qorax's video a 2nd or 3rd time. I have. :)

Try to isolate the issue. Is it the placement of the coil, the wick amount or length?

Once you have a sense of the source of he problem, practice doing that one thing...then the next, until the entire process comes together, so it can be automatic.

I would "drill" only as a last resort.
 
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Hi, I am using a 50/50 blend, 1.5ohm coil from 28awg 2.5mm ID vaping at 10.5w which is where I really want to be, I'm not into creating new weather patterns at all But do enjoy the lung hits these days. Drawing roughly for about 5-6seconds, which I don't think is out there. I also own an erl As this was my daily device until the gem, didn't seem to dry hit like this though
 

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No shame in watching Qorax's video a 2nd or 3rd time. I have. :)

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lol! Only three time?? I think I could recite it (well them actually) word for word Ive watched it so many times!!! It is a humbling but instructive experience to watch him rewick it in about 8 nanoseconds...blink, you miss it lol!!
 
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Hi, I am using a 50/50 blend, 1.5ohm coil from 28awg 2.5mm ID vaping at 10.5w which is where I really want to be, I'm not into creating new weather patterns at all But do enjoy the lung hits these days. Drawing roughly for about 5-6seconds, which I don't think is out there. I also own an erl As this was my daily device until the gem, didn't seem to dry hit like this though

Ok that is really interesting. So thats like 8/9 wraps or something I guess which should fit fine of course and its not like you are throwing treacle in there. Not sure what to suggest really. Maybe try adjusting coil height although there isnt too much room for manoeuver and Im sure yiou have tried that.,I know on the squape that can make a big difference to how well it wicks..hmmm...im as confused as you clearly are. You using cotton or rayon (he says grasping at straws)..
 
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Hi, I am using a 50/50 blend, 1.5ohm coil from 28awg 2.5mm ID vaping at 10.5w which is where I really want to be, I'm not into creating new weather patterns at all But do enjoy the lung hits these days. Drawing roughly for about 5-6seconds, which I don't think is out there. I also own an erl As this was my daily device until the gem, didn't seem to dry hit like this though

I've run similar coils. Best way to cure a dry hit is remove the build deck and cut off a smidge of the wick on one or both ends. Often just a little bit will make the difference.
 
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Hi, I am using a 50/50 blend, 1.5ohm coil from 28awg 2.5mm ID vaping at 10.5w which is where I really want to be, I'm not into creating new weather patterns at all But do enjoy the lung hits these days. Drawing roughly for about 5-6seconds, which I don't think is out there. I also own an erl As this was my daily device until the gem, didn't seem to dry hit like this though

I use coils between 1.1 and 1.4 ohm and juice between 50pg/50vg and 70pg/30vg so our builds are similar. If cutting a little more of the wick tails off doesn't work try closing the AFC a little more. The extra negative pressure should help suck the juice in. When i first set the GEM up I had half the air hole closed off, now i can't even see the airhole. Of course, this won't work for huge lung inhales but at 1.5ohm (your coil) i imagine you are doing MTL hits anyway.
 

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Hi,
Anybody else having difficulties with the wicking of this beauty? I'm nearly at my wits end with it, at the point of drilling out the wick holes a little bit more. Has anyone done this? I just feel I've gone through a ton of builds, various wicks etc but just keep on getting dry hit after dry hit. I don't think I'm alone after scrolling through this thread I just can't seem to get it right, surely it can't be that hard I mean I've been coiling now for over a year on various other rtas, or maybe a fraction of a mm do count!! I just compared the wick holes on my stock subtank nano coil and they are nearly twice the size of these, now I now that this is maybe an unfair comparison but maybe just a little drilling would help....what do u guys & gals think? Any comments would be greatly appreciated as a wanted to have this mod and tank combo as my sole setup and after waiting for over a year for it to be released I'm just a bit gutted with it at the moment,
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I too was getting dry hits, until I cut the ends to just about 0.5 to 1.0 mm (Rayon) sticking out - on someone's suggestion earlier in this thread and as @Yozhik suggest just above. No more dry hits. Vaping MAX VG without a problem. And 12W on the GEM is like 24W on other devices as it is so effective.
 

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I'm testing a new juice line since the last two weeks. Editing the review video as of now. Should be uploaded tomorrow. 80% VG. My coil and wick are the same as I always do - didn't change anything - and the GEM is vaping perfectly.
 

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Hi, I am using a 50/50 blend, 1.5ohm coil from 28awg 2.5mm ID vaping at 10.5w which is where I really want to be, I'm not into creating new weather patterns at all But do enjoy the lung hits these days. Drawing roughly for about 5-6seconds, which I don't think is out there. I also own an erl As this was my daily device until the gem, didn't seem to dry hit like this though

My setup mirrors yours. I have been using 70pg/30vg and 50vg/50pg.

I switched from KGD cotton to the latest version of Cotton Bacon. I have never used celu cotton.

Hope this helps if you are a cotton user:

1. Fill the GEM's coil with the normal amount of cotton that works with the attys you are used too.

2. Make sure the cotton is not twisted in the coil. Fill the GEM deck's outher channels with the excess cotton, make sure it fills both outer channels. Cut your the excess/wick (close to) flush with the building deck.

This is what I use to cut the cotton: KNIPEX 78 61 125 Electronics Super Knips Comfort Grip - Wire Cutters - Amazon.com

I am pretty sure there are cheaper equally efficient cutters.

You have to leave plenty of room for the cotton to absorb and expand in order for it's capillary action to be efficient. The "shallow U" part of the deck that is next to the air channel and coil, can have an equal amount of cotton as the coil, think of this "shallow U" as being part of a juice dam. The outer deck channels should be filled with cotton but not as tight as the coil or the "shallow U" Think of this as a wicking/feed control.


3. After filling and cutting the cotton flush with the outer deck channel, take a small pointy object like a needle, (I use a small gauge hypodermic needle that I cut the sharp point off) and take the cotton out of the outer deck channel and fluff it lightly without distorting the natural strands. You will notice if you left the cotton twisted and or uneven, now is the time to correct and or re-place the wick. Take your pointy object and place the strands in a natural fashion, meaning the strands that naturally fall/lay on the bottom take precedence over the ones on top. Lightly fill the outer deck channel with enough cotton keeping in mind your e-liquid's viscosity (remember cotton expands).

Here is where I would have to say the thicker the liquid the less cotton in the outer channel depending on your wicking media.

You should have some extra cotton sticking out of both the top of the deck and the side of the outer deck channel, cut it off, and redo this step until you feel that your cotton will not become too dense with e-liquid, causing it too stick together diminishing the cotton's capillary action at the same time gauging that you have enough to prevent a leak. I cut my cotton a touch lower than the screws and keep it flush with the deck's wicking channels.

If you over wick the outer deck channels, you will not have enough room for air/vacuum to properly compensate.

I do not vape high VG, but this is my way of wicking the GEM and it does not take me long, no dry hits. Just a suggestion, hope it helps.
 
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I opened my holes from the stock 1.6mm, first to 1.8mm, and then finally to 2.0mm. the holes act exactly like carburetor jets, every engine is going to have different vacuum characteristics just as every vapor is going to have different ways they vape. personally I like to vape with the air wide open and I like to take soft draws and I like fully saturated vapes... with the stock holes I was only able to run ~10 watts or so and I had to leave the airhole at less than fully opened to get enough feed and I always seemed to be battling dry hits and hitting temp control, even at 10-11 watts... now with the 2mm holes I'm vaping my gem today at 450 deg and 26 watts without hitting temp protection with a juice that is a bit less than 100%vg, with 100%vg I can still push it to 17-18 watts or so without hitting temp control... def couldn't do that stock...

I'm NOT saying anyone else should necessarily open there holes up, I'm only sharing what I myself have done here... take from that what you want :) just one more thing to keep in mind, wicking is a way to control juice feed as others have said, with the 2mm holes I'm still vaping with a rather loose wick but if I ever did want to reduce flow a bit, say a very thin watery juice, then I could just pack the wick slightly denser to compensate so opening the holes is not going to ruin your gem, it's only going to recalibrate it. my advice is, if you are going to try this, go slow, try opening it just slightly then living with it fo a week or so to learn exactly how it has changed before deciding to do more... I waited a week and several rewicks before deciding to go up from 1.8mm to 2mm...
 

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My setup mirrors yours. I have been using 70pg/30vg and 50vg/50pg.

I switched from KGD cotton to the latest version of Cotton Bacon. I have never used celu cotton.

Hope this helps if you are a cotton user:

1. Fill the GEM's coil with the normal amount of cotton that works with the attys you are used too.

2. Make sure the cotton is not twisted in the coil. Fill the GEM deck's outher channels with the excess cotton, make sure it fills both outer channels. Cut your the excess/wick (close to) flush with the building deck.

This is what I use to cut the cotton: KNIPEX 78 61 125 Electronics Super Knips Comfort Grip - Wire Cutters - Amazon.com

I am pretty sure there are cheaper equally efficient cutters.

You have to leave plenty of room for the cotton to absorb and expand in order for it's capillary action to be efficient. The "shallow U" part of the deck that is next to the air channel and coil, can have an equal amount of cotton as the coil, think of this "shallow U" as being part of a juice dam. The outer deck channels should be filled with cotton but not as tight as the coil or the "shallow U" Think of this as a wicking/feed control.


3. After filling and cutting the cotton flush with the outer deck channel, take a small pointy object like a needle, (I use a small gauge hypodermic needle that I cut the sharp point off) and take the cotton out of the outer deck channel and fluff it lightly without distorting the natural strands. You will notice if you left the cotton twisted and or uneven, now is the time to correct and or re-place the wick. Take your pointy object and place the strands in a natural fashion, meaning the strands that naturally fall/lay on the bottom take precedence over the ones on top. Lightly fill the outer deck channel with enough cotton keeping in mind your e-liquid's viscosity (remember cotton expands).

Here is where I would have to say the thicker the liquid the less cotton in the outer channel depending on your wicking media.

You should have some extra cotton sticking out of both the top of the deck and the side of the outer deck channel, cut it off, and redo this step until you feel that your cotton will not become too dense with e-liquid, causing it too stick together diminishing the cotton's capillary action at the same time gauging that you have enough to prevent a leak. I cut my cotton a touch lower than the screws and keep it flush with the deck's wicking channels.

If you over wick the outer deck channels, you will not have enough room for air/vacuum to properly compensate.

I do not vape high VG, but this is my way of wicking the GEM and it does not take me long, no dry hits. Just a suggestion, hope it helps.
You should take some pics, those would probably help our friend a little bit more ;)

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First time posting pictures, they are upside down and I do not know how to fix them. I apologize for the quality, they were taken with a telephone.

Here is what I normally start with:

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I place the cotton in the channel and cut it flush with the deck:

2 .JPG 3.JPG 5.JPG 4.JPG

That was way too much cotton that was left over for my taste and the cotton (Cotton Bacon) I am using. I proceed to lift the cotton, correct any uneven strands and place it back into the channel without packing it tight:

6.JPG 7.JPG 8.JPG 9.JPG
 
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I trim the wick some more, I know it does not look like much cotton, but these are the end results:

10.JPG2a.JPG 11.JPG 2a.JPG

Notice how the cotton expanded absorbing and holding the e liquid. If I wold have left the same amount of cotton I started with, there would probably be no wicking taking place. I have not tried KGD in this atty yet, but I would adjust accordingly.

That is a 50/50 e liquid, 2.5mm Kanthal coil, 1.5 ohms. No dry hits and or leakage with this build. I do not know how this would work with higher VG.
 
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